I mean previous infection was actually proven (by CDC) to show higher level of protection than vaccines.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/prior-covid-19-infection-offered-better-protection-than-vaccination-during-delta-wave-11642619009

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My policy has always been clear - we will not socialize with any unvaccinated people, given that this population has put our country through so much. My husband has no close relatives that are unvaccinated. Sadly, I have two aunts and three cousins who are unvaccinated, one of whom just died. We will not see anyone who is unvaccinated, period.

This is an odd, extreme, and unscientific strain of thought. But I can see it's more about politics than science for you.

It is hypocritical (and not "following the science") to be willing to get on an airplane and spend hours in an airport full of strangers but not be willing to see one family member. The risk of being around unvaccinated people is to THEM. They are at increased risk of getting infected and suffering. It's not a risk to YOU (or at least not more of a risk than the other things you are already doing). Your comfort level should be related to how guilty you would feel if you infected them.

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Anonymous wrote:I would only do things that would be completely outdoors. For me, that would mean no trip to the zoo, because I know kids love the reptile house. I wouldn't require masks outdoors all the time, but I also wouldn't allow hugs and kisses with them breathing on a 4yo who can't be vaccinated unless they were masked. Go run around and kick the soccer ball, but keep arms distance between until the child's mask is back on. For the sake of family peace (ie. both kids, NOT the adults), both kids and I would abide by the same parameters with these relatives.

Why not go to the zoo and just not do the reptile house, even if the kids "love it?" So bizarre.

So so strange. And you realize that the risk goes both ways, right? Your unvaccinated child would also be breathing on them - but that's a risk they are willing to take, and that is their choice. Your 4 year old is going to have a mild cold and need to stay home from preschool for a week. Is that worth ruining family relationships over? Some people have the oddest sense of right/wrong.

Anonymous wrote:What’s your goal here? To not get covid? you’re flying and going to be exposed to so many people on the way there where you might get covid. Just accept that you might get covid either from the flight or your family and have a normal visit. Youre overthinking it. You also might not get it! I know people who traveled who didn’t

Agree with this person, you have to decide what your goal is. It's obviously not to never expose yourself to covid because you are flying with your whole family and are willing to go to public places while there. So, why wouldn't you also see your other unvax family members? They are probably not any more likely to have or spread to you. You yourself noted that you are boosted and also had covid, so you know that vaccination doesn't mean you won't get or spread covid. Now if your goal is to protect your unvaccinated family members from something you might bring to their house with all of your travels, then you should limit your contact so that you don't spread anything to them. And testing would help with that. If your goal is to make a political statement, then use some of the tactics others here have suggested about making your stance known.

Personally, I've stopped caring about vaccination status. If you choose not to be vaccinated you are at a higher risk of complications from the disease that is circulating everywhere. That's a terrible choice. And some times I lie away wondering about the guilt I would feel if my (vaccinated) child exposed my unvaccinated father and he died - but ultimately, I cannot control other people I can only control myself, so I'm not going to shoulder that blame. Seeing family is important to me, so while I will be as careful as possible and test before going to my parents house, I won't stop seeing them just because of their choice.

Anonymous wrote:We would only see the unvaccinated relatives outdoors with masks on, and explain to the kids why they can’t do the sleepover tradition this trip. “Ask Grandpa why he won’t get vaccinated to protect himself and everyone around him.”

Wow. You would really set up your child like that?

Anonymous wrote:I would only do things that would be completely outdoors. For me, that would mean no trip to the zoo, because I know kids love the reptile house. I wouldn't require masks outdoors all the time, but I also wouldn't allow hugs and kisses with them breathing on a 4yo who can't be vaccinated unless they were masked. Go run around and kick the soccer ball, but keep arms distance between until the child's mask is back on. For the sake of family peace (ie. both kids, NOT the adults), both kids and I would abide by the same parameters with these relatives.

Why not go to the zoo and just not do the reptile house, even if the kids "love it?" So bizarre.

If you are staying with your mom, who is very Covid conscious, I would also check with her what kind of exposure on your end she is comfortable with.

What’s your goal here? To not get covid? you’re flying and going to be exposed to so many people on the way there where you might get covid. Just accept that you might get covid either from the flight or your family and have a normal visit. Youre overthinking it. You also might not get it! I know people who traveled who didn’t

OP, rest assured that most people aren’t as crazy as many of the PPs here. With omicron, many vaccinated people contract & spread it anyway, so it’s not logical to refuse to see unvaccinated people because you want to avoid COVID. If you worry about spreading it to them, that’s different, but that’s their call— if they are fine with the risk, go see them. You could all agree to test first, but you are flying, which is riskier than visiting a few people in one household anyway.

The same as vaccinated. I go by lifestyle not vaccine status.

I would not do the sleepover. For the other activities, if you're in California, they will not be allowed in a lot of places without proof of vaccination so it would probably be outdoor venues available to them when they take your kids out. Could you ask everyone to do a rapid test before more than an hour of indoor socializing? If they are not willing to do this, at the least, could you and your family take rapid tests? I guess I want to minimize the chance of my transmitting Covid to older relatives after traveling to be on my conscience - they are older now and their previous immunity may have worn off.

Anonymous wrote:Now is the not the time to risk it - Omicron is still rageing and your youngest child is not vaccinated. Your youngest child will be eligible to be vaccinated in less then a year one way or the other - either the 2-5 vaccine will be available, or they will turn five.

I would only allow outdoor visiting for both kids.

We have some unvaccinated family but interestingly they are not complete antivaxx erst. They had COVID in late 2020 and claim to have been tested and to still have antibodies. Two of them have since been vaccinated for various reasons but the other four are not. My position was that we only saw them outdoors and/or masked until my entire family was vaccinated. My kids are older than 5 and so they got vaccinated in December and we just did an overnight visit a few weeks ago. I would wait for any extended visit until your 4 year old is vaccinated but would be ok with the scenario #1 you outlined where your older child spent the night.

Now is the not the time to risk it - Omicron is still rageing and your youngest child is not vaccinated. Your youngest child will be eligible to be vaccinated in less then a year one way or the other - either the 2-5 vaccine will be available, or they will turn five.

I would only allow outdoor visiting for both kids.

Anonymous wrote:I'm fine with it in my family, but my unvaxxed family members are all in their 20s or younger. My immediate family is all vaxxed and boosted, so we've resumed normal lives. I would not be comfortable around my parents if they were unvaxxed because I wouldn't want to be the one who gave them covid.

Im not sure I understand what you’re talking about.