It wouldn’t have mattered if trump ro Biden was potus.

Putin needs to go in.

Who the president is, affects things on the margin but there are larger forces pushing for conflict.

If Russia doesn’t go in now, it will be too late in 10-15 years time

Anonymous wrote:It’s odd to me that if Trump was Putin’s Puppet, as we’re constantly told, then why does Putin only seem to invade other countries when Dems are president? First time with Obama, and now this time with Biden. When Trump was in office, Putin didn’t invade anything.

Can someone explain that to me?

Why does that seem odd? It makes complete sense. Trump was not a threat.

It’s odd to me that if Trump was Putin’s Puppet, as we’re constantly told, then why does Putin only seem to invade other countries when Dems are president? First time with Obama, and now this time with Biden. When Trump was in office, Putin didn’t invade anything.

Can someone explain that to me?

Anonymous wrote:Are other countries involved in the dialogue? I seem to mostly see US talking with Russia and Ukraine (even in international, not US-focused news media.)

Ues they are. The wildcard exception is Germany's new governing coalition.

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Anonymous wrote:No one has offered any ideas for what US can do to prevent invasion. Is this something the US just can’t stop?

The US should stop saying it’s happening and that they will prevent it.
Russia wasn’t going to invade, it was just some run of the mill saber rattling. Now of course they can’t back down because the US is just provoking them with all the rhetoric.
It’s all very Russian. Too bad there are no cross cultural communicators who can adjust the WH rhetoric

100,000 troops isn't run of the mill saber rattling. Putin knew the signal he was sending with the escalation and it was intentional. Cross cultural communication only matters when there is a miscommunication. The communication sent by Putin when he placed those troops there is unambiguous.

But I agree that we need to be responding in language Putin understands. Send ships through the dardenelles, put troops in north and eastern Poland, prepare to cut off Konigsburg and put defensive weapons in northern Romania. Make it clear that war will be a bloodbath that nobody wants. Show unity in NATO. Putin's whole gamble is based on his theory that the NATO alliance is fractured and dying. Meanwhile have some random Greek politician put out a statement opposing Ukraine's NATO application and let the Bessarabian irredentist movement loose. Send the signal that if Ukraine gets annexed then Odessa and Moldova join with Romania.

Are other countries involved in the dialogue? I seem to mostly see US talking with Russia and Ukraine (even in international, not US-focused news media.)

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Anonymous wrote:Will DCUM send their children to die fighting Russia? Or will they leave that to the kids from red states…..again?

Red state health policy being what it is, they'll just die of COVID anyway. Might as well sacrifice them for something useful. I guarantee you fewer 18-40 year olds will die in Ukraine than have died of COVID.

I was gonna say, yes, send the COVID MAGAs to Ukraine to get captured by the Russians and give them COVID - except, the Russians are already dying from their own brainless covidiot strategies... Close to 1 million Russians dead already. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/12/30/russias-excess-death-toll-hits-930k-a75964

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Wasn't Biden supposed to be a Ukraine expert? Wasn't he going to rebuild our relationship with our NATO allies?

Of all foreign policy issues it seems like this is one he would be able to handle like a pro.

Why does it look like more uncoordinated flailing?

He IS rebuilding the relationship. Remember that Trump wanted to abandon NATO and walk away from our allies. That caused a lot of damage, along with emboldening Putin.

Anonymous wrote:Will DCUM send their children to die fighting Russia? Or will they leave that to the kids from red states…..again?

Red state health policy being what it is, they'll just die of COVID anyway. Might as well sacrifice them for something useful. I guarantee you fewer 18-40 year olds will die in Ukraine than have died of COVID.

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Wasn't Biden supposed to be a Ukraine expert? Wasn't he going to rebuild our relationship with our NATO allies?

Of all foreign policy issues it seems like this is one he would be able to handle like a pro.

Why does it look like more uncoordinated flailing?

Putin wouldn’t invade Ukraine if there was a strong US president. Biden is perceived as being a weak buffoon distracted by birds and killing time every week until he can go home to Delaware.

Wasn't Biden supposed to be a Ukraine expert? Wasn't he going to rebuild our relationship with our NATO allies?

Of all foreign policy issues it seems like this is one he would be able to handle like a pro.

Why does it look like more uncoordinated flailing?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, why do we care? It's not like the Ukraine is a major economic force. They don't have oil or a large manufacturing base. I'm not sure why it would be in the US's interest to get involved.

I could probably make a good argument for NATO and/or UN involvment, but I'm not sure why the US would want to get involved on its own. Feel free to convince me otherwise.

That’s what people of limited vision said when Hitler invaded Poland.

NP. I think I get your analogy but the British Empire and France both declared war on Germany in response to its invasion of Poland. Get your history right. Maybe your referring to Anschluss? Or maybe the Munich Agreement?
I think the best analogy is the US and Western European politicians of limited vision standing by while Russia annexed the Crimea.

NP.

We won’t just stand by this time.

Putin is in dead end. His time is up, 2024 is coming and he will have to explain to his Elites why he has to stay. The good reason for him is “to provide stable boarders”. Don’t forget about his rhetoric within Russia “USA wants to attack us not us”.
So he might be faking the threat from NATO, by faking something on the boarders.

USA should not buy this.

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Anonymous wrote:No one has offered any ideas for what US can do to prevent invasion. Is this something the US just can’t stop?

The US should stop saying it’s happening and that they will prevent it.
Russia wasn’t going to invade, it was just some run of the mill saber rattling. Now of course they can’t back down because the US is just provoking them with all the rhetoric.
It’s all very Russian. Too bad there are no cross cultural communicators who can adjust the WH rhetoric

Just like it wasn't going to invade Crimea and Eastern Ukraine.

And who provoked Russia back then? Was it Ukraine because it wanted to be a sovereign state and decide for itself?

Too bad you don't have a neighbor like Russia, then you would know firsthand how it is for its neighbouring countries to live under a constant threat from a cuckoo barbarian.

Anonymous wrote:No one has offered any ideas for what US can do to prevent invasion. Is this something the US just can’t stop?

The US should stop saying it’s happening and that they will prevent it.
Russia wasn’t going to invade, it was just some run of the mill saber rattling. Now of course they can’t back down because the US is just provoking them with all the rhetoric.
It’s all very Russian. Too bad there are no cross cultural communicators who can adjust the WH rhetoric