Anonymous
01/04/2022 10:46
Subject: Re:11 schools going virtual for 14 days starting tomorrow, 1/5
Anonymous wrote:Rock Terrace
Cannon Road
North Chevy Chase elementary
Hallie Wells
Monocacy
Roberto Clemente
Forest Knolls
Waters Landing
Rosemont
Seneca Valley
Sherwood elementary
Monocacy has 8 cases on the spreadsheet from another thread, Cannon Road has 13, d Diamond has more than the oth er elem schools at 18. This shutdown list makes NO sense. And, my kid goes to PHS and I KNOW they have more cases than that. I got a letter everyday with a lot of cases of covid and it added up to more than just 31!! I smell a scandal.
Check for yourself: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/...%20pm%20January%201%202022.pdf
OMG get off the conspiracy theory nonsense. They are looking at percentages not raw numbers. Also, you can't use the numbers in that PDF because it includes positive cases from early in winter break, and those people are now out of quarantine and able to return to school.
Do you know what a tiny school Monocacy is? In the 2020-2021 school year, they had 136 students and less than 20 staff members. Do the math; 8 with Covid would be above the 5% threshold. Stop with the conspiracy theories!
Anonymous
01/04/2022 10:41
Subject: 11 schools going virtual for 14 days starting tomorrow, 1/5
Its also just a little silly when the feeder schools are not on the list, but their older siblings are on the list.
It may also have to do when kids got vaccinated. The elem kids got vaccinated recently and presumably their symptoms (if they got covid) were so low they didn't notice. Whereas the older kids got their vaccines earlier and most of the 12-15 year olds haven't been boostered yet so may notice their symptoms and report.
We need to switch to 5 day isolation for asymptomatic cases immediately though.
It may also have to do when kids got vaccinated. The elem kids got vaccinated recently and presumably their symptoms (if they got covid) were so low they didn't notice. Whereas the older kids got their vaccines earlier and most of the 12-15 year olds haven't been boostered yet so may notice their symptoms and report.
We need to switch to 5 day isolation for asymptomatic cases immediately though.
Anonymous
01/04/2022 10:41
Subject: 11 schools going virtual for 14 days starting tomorrow, 1/5
Nice, they deleted it now
Anonymous
01/04/2022 10:38
Subject: Re:11 schools going virtual for 14 days starting tomorrow, 1/5
Rock Terrace
Cannon Road
North Chevy Chase elementary
Hallie Wells
Monocacy
Roberto Clemente
Forest Knolls
Waters Landing
Rosemont
Seneca Valley
Sherwood elementary
Monocacy has 8 cases on the spreadsheet from another thread, Cannon Road has 13, d Diamond has more than the oth er elem schools at 18. This shutdown list makes NO sense. And, my kid goes to PHS and I KNOW they have more cases than that. I got a letter everyday with a lot of cases of covid and it added up to more than just 31!! I smell a scandal.
Check for yourself: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/...%20pm%20January%201%202022.pdf
OMG get off the conspiracy theory nonsense. They are looking at percentages not raw numbers. Also, you can't use the numbers in that PDF because it includes positive cases from early in winter break, and those people are now out of quarantine and able to return to school.
Anonymous
01/04/2022 10:32
Subject: 11 schools going virtual for 14 days starting tomorrow, 1/5
Rock Terrace
Cannon Road
North Chevy Chase elementary
Hallie Wells
Monocacy
Roberto Clemente
Forest Knolls
Waters Landing
Rosemont
Seneca Valley
Sherwood elementary
Monocacy has 8 cases on the spreadsheet from another thread, Cannon Road has 13, d Diamond has more than the oth er elem schools at 18. This shutdown list makes NO sense. And, my kid goes to PHS and I KNOW they have more cases than that. I got a letter everyday with a lot of cases of covid and it added up to more than just 31!! I smell a scandal.
Check for yourself: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/Coronavirus/Winter%20Break%20COVID%20Cases%20Reported%20Through%2010%20pm%20January%201%202022.pdf
Cannon Road
North Chevy Chase elementary
Hallie Wells
Monocacy
Roberto Clemente
Forest Knolls
Waters Landing
Rosemont
Seneca Valley
Sherwood elementary
Monocacy has 8 cases on the spreadsheet from another thread, Cannon Road has 13, d Diamond has more than the oth er elem schools at 18. This shutdown list makes NO sense. And, my kid goes to PHS and I KNOW they have more cases than that. I got a letter everyday with a lot of cases of covid and it added up to more than just 31!! I smell a scandal.
Check for yourself: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/Coronavirus/Winter%20Break%20COVID%20Cases%20Reported%20Through%2010%20pm%20January%201%202022.pdf
Anonymous
01/04/2022 10:29
Subject: 11 schools going virtual for 14 days starting tomorrow, 1/5
I agree that they are working with bad data on the student side-- how many parents are actually reporting cases? (Particularly given they haven't had to call in an absence yet).
When students go back, data will be a bit better because parents are used to sending in absence explanations. But it still won't be great.
I really wish they were doing the rapid tests IN SCHOOL rather than sending them home. Tons of parents won't bother to administer the test to asymptomatic kids-- part laziness, and partly possibly to hoard the test given the proliferation of complaints that they aren't readily available.
When students go back, data will be a bit better because parents are used to sending in absence explanations. But it still won't be great.
I really wish they were doing the rapid tests IN SCHOOL rather than sending them home. Tons of parents won't bother to administer the test to asymptomatic kids-- part laziness, and partly possibly to hoard the test given the proliferation of complaints that they aren't readily available.
Anonymous
01/04/2022 10:25
Subject: 11 schools going virtual for 14 days starting tomorrow, 1/5
Anonymous wrote:https://www.baltimoresun.com/coronavirus/bs-md-coronavirus-update-jan-2-2022-20220102-ynymmnjqmfcrxaxgt3selkf2ci-story.html
Covid positivity Maryland 26%
Moco has had some data problems so has not reported positivity.
The state has been reporting MoCo positivity and it’s just a hair under the state’s. Yesterday the state was at 27% and MoCo was at 26%. There used to be a bigger gap between the state and MoCo but it has been narrowing since thanksgiving. With positivity that high, I’m not sure 1% difference is meaningful.
Anonymous
01/04/2022 10:25
Subject: Re:11 schools going virtual for 14 days starting tomorrow, 1/5
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There's probably no real pattern to these schools because it's such a small number-- better testing? more reporting? actual outbreak among a geographic or demographic group?
But I plotted them out on a map to at least get an idea.
This might work-- I could only add 10 here-- I'm missing Sherwood ES in Olney
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Cannon+Road+Elementary+School/Forest+Knolls+Elementary+School/North+Chevy+Chase+Elementary/Rock+Terrace+School/Rosemont+Elementary+School/Roberto+Clemente+Middle+School/Waters+Landing+Elementary+School/Hallie+Wells+Middle+School/Seneca+Valley+High+School/Monocacy+Elementary+School/@39.1144777,-77.3331571,11z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m62!4m61!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7c543c42bddb1:0xd2a84447424691b0!2m2!1d-76.9943994!2d39.0687916!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7cf65e1371b47:0x78db13e513b53cee!2m2!1d-77.0203899!2d39.0336879!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7c93bdc873e47:0x1f5d39fe3709c810!2m2!1d-77.0730537!2d38.9989746!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7cd70175a43ab:0x2379fe14b940c44d!2m2!1d-77.1600719!2d39.0932441!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7d2b6e52d8ca5:0xd76073f712b51197!2m2!1d-77.1858649!2d39.1248122!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b62c5a79e01aff:0x4fd1af6ada87d71e!2m2!1d-77.2476655!2d39.1655849!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b62c120435f31b:0x3e08b20b849078b3!2m2!1d-77.2684843!2d39.1889705!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b62b0735840c73:0xdef71f9339502584!2m2!1d-77.2399467!2d39.2323039!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b62c3f68382f17:0xa6f2ec92ae7c0041!2m2!1d-77.2641458!2d39.1744841!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b62611b4aee1ed:0x1ea23f535b2cb1d7!2m2!1d-77.3930382!2d39.2242571!3e0
It looks like:
3 Downcounty
1 Rockville
1 Gaithersburg
1 Olney
5 Germantown and points north
Again, probably means nothing, but almost half the schools are in ~Germantown, which has about 10% of the MoCo population.
I teach in Germantown and not surprised. There is a lot of shared housing up there with multiple families under one roof. Many parents who don't have jobs that allow for sick leave. We are always hit hard by the flu so I'm not shocked that COVID is spreading. We have had a few kids who just don't show up for school and parents can't/won't get them tested for COVID so numbers are always a little skewed.
No way. I feel like I shouldn't have posted the map because this kind of cognitively biased response was inevitable. I live in downtown Silver Spring and we have at least as many families as you describe, as does Wheaton, and there's only one school anywhere near us that is currently red. And we have a much higher population.
Like I said, we can't read too much into it. (Especially as I assume it will quadruple in size by the end of the week.) At most there could be a more severe outbreak in the Seneca Valley area specifically due to some superspreader, but more likely it reflects good communication or nothing at all.
Completely agree with this poster.
Anonymous
01/04/2022 10:24
Subject: 11 schools going virtual for 14 days starting tomorrow, 1/5
I think they should shut down schools based on a combination of positivity rate in the surrounding communities among school age plus the school cases.
Anonymous
01/04/2022 10:24
Subject: Re:11 schools going virtual for 14 days starting tomorrow, 1/5
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There's probably no real pattern to these schools because it's such a small number-- better testing? more reporting? actual outbreak among a geographic or demographic group?
But I plotted them out on a map to at least get an idea.
This might work-- I could only add 10 here-- I'm missing Sherwood ES in Olney
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Cannon+Road+Elementary+School/Forest+Knolls+Elementary+School/North+Chevy+Chase+Elementary/Rock+Terrace+School/Rosemont+Elementary+School/Roberto+Clemente+Middle+School/Waters+Landing+Elementary+School/Hallie+Wells+Middle+School/Seneca+Valley+High+School/Monocacy+Elementary+School/@39.1144777,-77.3331571,11z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m62!4m61!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7c543c42bddb1:0xd2a84447424691b0!2m2!1d-76.9943994!2d39.0687916!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7cf65e1371b47:0x78db13e513b53cee!2m2!1d-77.0203899!2d39.0336879!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7c93bdc873e47:0x1f5d39fe3709c810!2m2!1d-77.0730537!2d38.9989746!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7cd70175a43ab:0x2379fe14b940c44d!2m2!1d-77.1600719!2d39.0932441!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7d2b6e52d8ca5:0xd76073f712b51197!2m2!1d-77.1858649!2d39.1248122!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b62c5a79e01aff:0x4fd1af6ada87d71e!2m2!1d-77.2476655!2d39.1655849!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b62c120435f31b:0x3e08b20b849078b3!2m2!1d-77.2684843!2d39.1889705!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b62b0735840c73:0xdef71f9339502584!2m2!1d-77.2399467!2d39.2323039!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b62c3f68382f17:0xa6f2ec92ae7c0041!2m2!1d-77.2641458!2d39.1744841!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b62611b4aee1ed:0x1ea23f535b2cb1d7!2m2!1d-77.3930382!2d39.2242571!3e0
It looks like:
3 Downcounty
1 Rockville
1 Gaithersburg
1 Olney
5 Germantown and points north
Again, probably means nothing, but almost half the schools are in ~Germantown, which has about 10% of the MoCo population.
I teach in Germantown and not surprised. There is a lot of shared housing up there with multiple families under one roof. Many parents who don't have jobs that allow for sick leave. We are always hit hard by the flu so I'm not shocked that COVID is spreading. We have had a few kids who just don't show up for school and parents can't/won't get them tested for COVID so numbers are always a little skewed.
No way. I feel like I shouldn't have posted the map because this kind of cognitively biased response was inevitable. I live in downtown Silver Spring and we have at least as many families as you describe, as does Wheaton, and there's only one school anywhere near us that is currently red. And we have a much higher population.
Like I said, we can't read too much into it. (Especially as I assume it will quadruple in size by the end of the week.) At most there could be a more severe outbreak in the Seneca Valley area specifically due to some superspreader, but more likely it reflects good communication or nothing at all.
Anonymous
01/04/2022 10:23
Subject: 11 schools going virtual for 14 days starting tomorrow, 1/5
Anonymous wrote:Until i see how the numbers break down staff versus students I'd rather not hazard a guess. That said, as pp above mentioned above, its the areas where parents don't have luxury to wfh that are impacted. Not sure how shuttering down 11 schools is exactly equitable.
If by impacted you mean the schools are shut down ok. But if you look at the map of school ages positivity it's the wealthier areas that have the concentration of cases, possibly because they have more time and resources to get tested, or maybe because of travel. You can make up any guesses you want but right now we really don't know.
Anonymous
01/04/2022 10:21
Subject: 11 schools going virtual for 14 days starting tomorrow, 1/5
Anonymous wrote:I hope our district doesn’t follow the stupidity, but if they do, I would be most mad for the fact they didn’t announce it beforehand! We could have stayed at our destination longer and traveled in the off peak days
Exactly why they didn't, but I think you know that.
Anonymous
01/04/2022 10:21
Subject: 11 schools going virtual for 14 days starting tomorrow, 1/5
https://www.baltimoresun.com/coronavirus/bs-md-coronavirus-update-jan-2-2022-20220102-ynymmnjqmfcrxaxgt3selkf2ci-story.html
Covid positivity Maryland 26%
Moco has had some data problems so has not reported positivity.
Covid positivity Maryland 26%
Moco has had some data problems so has not reported positivity.
Anonymous
01/04/2022 10:18
Subject: Re:11 schools going virtual for 14 days starting tomorrow, 1/5
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There's probably no real pattern to these schools because it's such a small number-- better testing? more reporting? actual outbreak among a geographic or demographic group?
But I plotted them out on a map to at least get an idea.
This might work-- I could only add 10 here-- I'm missing Sherwood ES in Olney
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Cannon+Road+Elementary+School/Forest+Knolls+Elementary+School/North+Chevy+Chase+Elementary/Rock+Terrace+School/Rosemont+Elementary+School/Roberto+Clemente+Middle+School/Waters+Landing+Elementary+School/Hallie+Wells+Middle+School/Seneca+Valley+High+School/Monocacy+Elementary+School/@39.1144777,-77.3331571,11z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m62!4m61!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7c543c42bddb1:0xd2a84447424691b0!2m2!1d-76.9943994!2d39.0687916!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7cf65e1371b47:0x78db13e513b53cee!2m2!1d-77.0203899!2d39.0336879!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7c93bdc873e47:0x1f5d39fe3709c810!2m2!1d-77.0730537!2d38.9989746!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7cd70175a43ab:0x2379fe14b940c44d!2m2!1d-77.1600719!2d39.0932441!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7d2b6e52d8ca5:0xd76073f712b51197!2m2!1d-77.1858649!2d39.1248122!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b62c5a79e01aff:0x4fd1af6ada87d71e!2m2!1d-77.2476655!2d39.1655849!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b62c120435f31b:0x3e08b20b849078b3!2m2!1d-77.2684843!2d39.1889705!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b62b0735840c73:0xdef71f9339502584!2m2!1d-77.2399467!2d39.2323039!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b62c3f68382f17:0xa6f2ec92ae7c0041!2m2!1d-77.2641458!2d39.1744841!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b62611b4aee1ed:0x1ea23f535b2cb1d7!2m2!1d-77.3930382!2d39.2242571!3e0
It looks like:
3 Downcounty
1 Rockville
1 Gaithersburg
1 Olney
5 Germantown and points north
Again, probably means nothing, but almost half the schools are in ~Germantown, which has about 10% of the MoCo population.
I teach in Germantown and not surprised. There is a lot of shared housing up there with multiple families under one roof. Many parents who don't have jobs that allow for sick leave. We are always hit hard by the flu so I'm not shocked that COVID is spreading. We have had a few kids who just don't show up for school and parents can't/won't get them tested for COVID so numbers are always a little skewed.
I don't think you can read in to the numbers like that. I have a child at a Potomac area school and I can tell you half of her friends' families all have covid right now. I don't see any of that information reflected in the official numbers for the school although maybe it's in the spreadsheet that will be shared later today. I don't think it's just a coincidence that DD has friends whose families have the virus now but I think it's just that there's a 25 plus percent positivity rate in the community so it's just everywhere.
I think what you are seeing right now is mostly STAFF numbers and if a school has done a good job of getting the word out about how to report you may be seeing some of that too.
I want schools to remain open but I think their data is wrong and they are making ill informed decisions.
25% positivity rate in Montgomery County? That is crazy high. If true, I would support all schools go virtual for two weeks
This doesn't mean 25% have COVID. It means 25% of people testing for COVID have COVID. Which is bad bad bad. But not as bad as a lot of people assume. Im any case, yeah, going virtual for this surge makes sense either way, especially since unlike March 2020 this is relatively short-lived and therefore unlikely to have the massive learning-loss and social impacts that a 18 month closure did.
Anonymous
01/04/2022 10:17
Subject: Re:11 schools going virtual for 14 days starting tomorrow, 1/5
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There's probably no real pattern to these schools because it's such a small number-- better testing? more reporting? actual outbreak among a geographic or demographic group?
But I plotted them out on a map to at least get an idea.
This might work-- I could only add 10 here-- I'm missing Sherwood ES in Olney
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Cannon+Road+Elementary+School/Forest+Knolls+Elementary+School/North+Chevy+Chase+Elementary/Rock+Terrace+School/Rosemont+Elementary+School/Roberto+Clemente+Middle+School/Waters+Landing+Elementary+School/Hallie+Wells+Middle+School/Seneca+Valley+High+School/Monocacy+Elementary+School/@39.1144777,-77.3331571,11z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m62!4m61!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7c543c42bddb1:0xd2a84447424691b0!2m2!1d-76.9943994!2d39.0687916!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7cf65e1371b47:0x78db13e513b53cee!2m2!1d-77.0203899!2d39.0336879!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7c93bdc873e47:0x1f5d39fe3709c810!2m2!1d-77.0730537!2d38.9989746!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7cd70175a43ab:0x2379fe14b940c44d!2m2!1d-77.1600719!2d39.0932441!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7d2b6e52d8ca5:0xd76073f712b51197!2m2!1d-77.1858649!2d39.1248122!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b62c5a79e01aff:0x4fd1af6ada87d71e!2m2!1d-77.2476655!2d39.1655849!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b62c120435f31b:0x3e08b20b849078b3!2m2!1d-77.2684843!2d39.1889705!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b62b0735840c73:0xdef71f9339502584!2m2!1d-77.2399467!2d39.2323039!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b62c3f68382f17:0xa6f2ec92ae7c0041!2m2!1d-77.2641458!2d39.1744841!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b62611b4aee1ed:0x1ea23f535b2cb1d7!2m2!1d-77.3930382!2d39.2242571!3e0
It looks like:
3 Downcounty
1 Rockville
1 Gaithersburg
1 Olney
5 Germantown and points north
Again, probably means nothing, but almost half the schools are in ~Germantown, which has about 10% of the MoCo population.
I teach in Germantown and not surprised. There is a lot of shared housing up there with multiple families under one roof. Many parents who don't have jobs that allow for sick leave. We are always hit hard by the flu so I'm not shocked that COVID is spreading. We have had a few kids who just don't show up for school and parents can't/won't get them tested for COVID so numbers are always a little skewed.
I don't think you can read in to the numbers like that. I have a child at a Potomac area school and I can tell you half of her friends' families all have covid right now. I don't see any of that information reflected in the official numbers for the school although maybe it's in the spreadsheet that will be shared later today. I don't think it's just a coincidence that DD has friends whose families have the virus now but I think it's just that there's a 25 plus percent positivity rate in the community so it's just everywhere.
I think what you are seeing right now is mostly STAFF numbers and if a school has done a good job of getting the word out about how to report you may be seeing some of that too.
I want schools to remain open but I think their data is wrong and they are making ill informed decisions.
I could not agree more! I've been saying for ages that MCPS is severely underestimating Covid cases, through no fault of their own. A lot of families are not reporting positive cases, and a lot of families are not testing when they have symptoms, and a lot of Covid-positive families don't even have symptoms!
The positivity rate in the community should mathematically be reflected in schools.
We won't have abetter grasp on this until weeks later and even then it's a small sampling of the actual numbers which have to be much higher.