Anonymous
12/15/2021 08:45
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You haven’t figured out that our society values sports over education?
But you can get into a good school with amazing academics and zero athletics, but if you have amazing athletics you still need academics that are far above average.
It's higher EDUCATION...not higher athletics.
I'm not saying it shouldn't be this way, with every student held to academic standards. I'm saying that you can't argue that when a school has academic requirements for every student, and athletic requirements for a few students, that they value athletics over education.
Every athlete has an academic requirement and an athletic requirement. They are held to a higher standard overall. They also commit to a full time job working for the school.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 08:44
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My friend’s son has many offers from good schools - only one application submitted - and just committed to a school where he hadn’t applied.
There is no way they didn’t apply. They might have applied after a verbal offer but they still filled out the forms and sent their transcripts etc . . .
My kid signed a National Letter of Intent. A binding contract to play soccer at a school. Before applying. Then on the last day of ED applications due dates, Kid applied and received acceptance 10 mins later.
Exactly, your kid applied.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 08:44
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is our culture. I agree it makes no sense. Really what do sports have to do with pursuit of higher education? I don't think.any other countries play collegiate sports like we do. But you have to accept it as it is just the way it is here.
I do accept it but it’s crazy. His sat is about hundreds below the average accepted sat there.
Not that crazy. Colleges looking for a whole person not a computer.
Um, if the kid is accepted with no application - the college is definitely not looking at the whole person.
Every coach gets a transcript, scores, talks to coaches. It's probably more comprehensive than most "applications".
Anonymous
12/15/2021 08:44
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You haven’t figured out that our society values sports over education?
But you can get into a good school with amazing academics and zero athletics, but if you have amazing athletics you still need academics that are far above average.
It's higher EDUCATION...not higher athletics.
I'm not saying it shouldn't be this way, with every student held to academic standards. I'm saying that you can't argue that when a school has academic requirements for every student, and athletic requirements for a few students, that they value athletics over education.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 08:43
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My friend’s son has many offers from good schools - only one application submitted - and just committed to a school where he hadn’t applied.
There is no way they didn’t apply. They might have applied after a verbal offer but they still filled out the forms and sent their transcripts etc . . .
My kid signed a National Letter of Intent. A binding contract to play soccer at a school. Before applying. Then on the last day of ED applications due dates, Kid applied and received acceptance 10 mins later.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 08:42
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous
12/15/2021 08:42
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My friend’s son has many offers from good schools - only one application submitted - and just committed to a school where he hadn’t applied.
There is no way they didn’t apply. They might have applied after a verbal offer but they still filled out the forms and sent their transcripts etc . . .
They haven’t applied yet - just accepted the offer. But really, is that the point you want to make? Who cares if they still have to apply, they are essentially in, barring a rare occurrence.
Depending on the school that is not necessarily true. I know someone who was a recruited athlete to UVA (OOS) and received her commitment her freshman year of HS. She was not a great student and she had to have extensive tutoring for her SAT testing to ensure it was "in range" for UVA or she would have not gotten admitted - sports or no sports. She was able to get it into the 1300 or even 1400s, was accepted and attends. (quit the sport btw)
You are just ill-informed. My son is an athlete at UVA with a HS GPA of 2.8 and 1050 on the SAT.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 08:41
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you even knew everything an athlete had to do during the commitment process you would not be complaining.
Wow! the score is 100 less, bfd.
Athlete GPA's are higher than the average GPA than the average college student.
Reading comprehension fail.
Quote: His sat is about hundreds below the average accepted sat there.
FAIL
Anonymous
12/15/2021 08:41
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Alumni are more satisfied when their sports teams do well. They are more apt to do things for the college - volunteer, accept interns, and give money.
Here’s one study
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/46490421_The_Impact_of_Athletic_Performance_on_Alumni_Giving_An_Analysis_of_Micro_Data
Anonymous
12/15/2021 08:39
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you are talking about all sport like lacrosse or crew or field hockey, these recruits statistically will presumptively be successful in their chosen careers.
I’m not but what does this have to do with anything?
NP here. Because the odds are those athletes who do “well” in their careers = make a very high income, and thus are more likely to in return as alums give more money over a longer period of time back to their university. The schools are playing the long game here. By investing in their lacrosse programs, the schools are betting on those types of players, from certain family backgrounds, to go into high income careers after school and the school can cultivate them into high level school spirit and loyalty and hope they become boosters.
Know any college lax bros who are know investment bankers? Hedge fund managers? Developers? Entrepreneurs?
It’s a completely unfair statement and here is why: they don’t admit the kids with those lower stats (or exclude those with higher ones) - instead opting for the lower stats athlete. It’s then impossible to gather any data on how those kids would have fared had they been accepted or how they fared elsewhere.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 08:39
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You haven’t figured out that our society values sports over education?
But you can get into a good school with amazing academics and zero athletics, but if you have amazing athletics you still need academics that are far above average.
It's higher EDUCATION...not higher athletics.
Then you don't understand EDUCATION.
I don't give a rats ass if my lawyer or my investment advisor or my doctor can catch a ball. I need their brains...period.
Really? You'd have somebody perform surgery on you that does not have the hand eye coordination to catch a ball or knows how to work under pressure or is athletic enough to stand for 12 hour surgeries?
You know the best surgeons now are gamers, because it's all on a screen.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 08:38
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is our culture. I agree it makes no sense. Really what do sports have to do with pursuit of higher education? I don't think.any other countries play collegiate sports like we do. But you have to accept it as it is just the way it is here.
I do accept it but it’s crazy. His sat is about hundreds below the average accepted sat there.
Not that crazy. Colleges looking for a whole person not a computer.
Um, if the kid is accepted with no application - the college is definitely not looking at the whole person.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 08:37
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You haven’t figured out that our society values sports over education?
But you can get into a good school with amazing academics and zero athletics, but if you have amazing athletics you still need academics that are far above average.
It's higher EDUCATION...not higher athletics.
Well this is false. It is not even higher education. There is no such designation.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 08:37
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is our culture. I agree it makes no sense. Really what do sports have to do with pursuit of higher education? I don't think.any other countries play collegiate sports like we do. But you have to accept it as it is just the way it is here.
I do accept it but it’s crazy. His sat is about hundreds below the average accepted sat there.
Not that crazy. Colleges looking for a whole person not a computer.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 08:35
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Alumni are more satisfied when their sports teams do well. They are more apt to do things for the college - volunteer, accept interns, and give money.