Anonymous
Post 12/07/2021 06:47     Subject: How do you feel about ppl who travel?
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Are people still avoiding people who go away?

I would like to have a small holiday party. We are going to Disney world. Not sure if people will want to avoid us.

We were ultra careful for a year. Then adults got vaccinated. 2 of my 3 kids are now vaccinated. DH and I have our boosters.


Yes, I'm avoiding people like you who are traveling and having parties You aren't being ultra careful if you are going to Disney and parties and other stuff. That isn't even careful.

Have your party. Most will go, some of us would not.


I said I was ultra careful for a year. We basically didn’t socialize and spent all our time outside, didn’t eat out, etc.

It has been 21 months. We started socializing since the spring in small groups outside.

We can just wait until 2022. I won’t have the holiday party.


OP - ignore the trolls. Look - covid is here to stay. At some point we have to get back to normal. Having a holiday party if you and your whole family is vaxxed is an entirely reasonable thing to do. going away is also an entirely reasonable thing to do (but note that disney WILL be full of anti vaxxers vs other destinations) that doesnt mean you haven't been careful. It means you recognize that covid is here to stay and it is deleterious to your mental health to continue to avoid something you are vaccinated against and completely virus proof your life. there is no 'right' or 'wrong' there is your comfort level with the idea of catching it, knowing that if your family is fairly healthy and you are vaxxed and boosted that you will in all likelihood have a mild course of illness. there's a kind of weird vibe in america at the moment of like - covid shaming - and it's just silly. it's endemic now and vaccines are avail so figure out what makes sense for your level of comfort and do it


But OP’s whole family isn’t vaccinated. The adorable youngest child may very well be a vector for Covid. How is that being cautious?

I’m looking forward for this return to normal, but kids under 5 are still unvaccinated and some families are still having to cocoon themselves to protect high-risk family members. I wish people would take this seriously so all us of could return to normal.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2021 19:24     Subject: How do you feel about ppl who travel?
The risk is too high to travel now. Don’t be selfish!
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2021 19:06     Subject: How do you feel about ppl who travel?
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Anonymous wrote:Are you vaccinated? Do you comply with mask mandates? Have you been reasonably careful all throughout the pandemic? I wouldn't attend your party because you aren't all vaccinated, and we currently only socialize indoors with vaccinated people, but your travel wouldn't bother me.


So, do you ask to see people's vaccination cards? Because we just found out that some neighborhood friends who said they and their kids were vaccinated in fact were NOT (they just got COVID, which is how it all came out).


Its also a false sense of security, because vaccinated people also get covid. I went to a family reunion the last weekend of July, and 12 members of my family got covid. Almost all of them were vaccinated, including me and my husband. Ironically, several unvaccinated adults didn't get it. It wasn't a big confidence booster for prevention, that's for sure. Get the vaccine for yourself, stop worrying about other people.


Did you test before the gathering, which I presume was indoors and unmasked? Did other members of the group? Did anyone wear masks? Did anyone have symptoms? All of these things matter in determining whether there is a "false sense of security."


No testing, no masks. It was summer, covid was "over" pretty much in the minds of most at the time we had it. People came from all over - east coast, great lakes, south, pacific nw, california. It was mostly outdoors, but we obviously had some indoor time.

We don't know for sure who the index case was. If it was my unvaccinated cousin, who is our suspect, she wasn't very sick. My other cousin was the first person to test positive, and she was vaccinated and high fever etc. I don't want to give too many details, the vaccinated people who were positive were fine in the end but only really my husband had the typical "really mild" barely there symptoms. Three kids were positive, and it was super trivial in all of them. My unvaccinated uncle got really sick, but he's almost 70 years old.

I do believe in the vaccine, but this experience was enough for me to cement my opinion that vaccine mandates and people trying to control everyone around them being vaccinated, is just stupid based on how this virus works.



Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 14:23     Subject: How do you feel about ppl who travel?
Anonymous wrote:No, I wouldn't want to come to an indoor party with you after your Disney trip and before my family get togethers. At this stage I am prioritizing seeing my own family for the holidays and trying to minimize the chance that we may pick up or spread something at those gatherings. So, I won't be going to friend or work parties or doing much hanging out until Christmas when we'll go see extended family for a long period of time.

In general travel doesn't bug me, but Disney with unvaccinated kids does bug me.



+1.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 14:23     Subject: How do you feel about ppl who travel?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are you vaccinated? Do you comply with mask mandates? Have you been reasonably careful all throughout the pandemic? I wouldn't attend your party because you aren't all vaccinated, and we currently only socialize indoors with vaccinated people, but your travel wouldn't bother me.


So, do you ask to see people's vaccination cards? Because we just found out that some neighborhood friends who said they and their kids were vaccinated in fact were NOT (they just got COVID, which is how it all came out).


Its also a false sense of security, because vaccinated people also get covid. I went to a family reunion the last weekend of July, and 12 members of my family got covid. Almost all of them were vaccinated, including me and my husband. Ironically, several unvaccinated adults didn't get it. It wasn't a big confidence booster for prevention, that's for sure. Get the vaccine for yourself, stop worrying about other people.


Did you test before the gathering, which I presume was indoors and unmasked? Did other members of the group? Did anyone wear masks? Did anyone have symptoms? All of these things matter in determining whether there is a "false sense of security."
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 14:22     Subject: Re:How do you feel about ppl who travel?
Anonymous wrote:The silly thing this whole time has been that traveling does not necessarily mean any higher risk. A person could drive to Disneyworld and wear N95s the entire time they're there and someone could stay local and be dining indoors unmasked and attending Wizards games.

It's a false sense of control.

People don't owe you the rundown of what they've been doing and also, they're not going to give it to you. If you're risk tolerances is very low, stay home I guess.

And OP, I would come to your party.


This. I'm tired of people having to go through their neurotic lists of demands before they will hang out. its tiresome. Stay home if that's what you require. Still getting people trying to do outdoor hangouts when we are all vaccinated, and its december. Its cold. Stay home.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 14:20     Subject: How do you feel about ppl who travel?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are you vaccinated? Do you comply with mask mandates? Have you been reasonably careful all throughout the pandemic? I wouldn't attend your party because you aren't all vaccinated, and we currently only socialize indoors with vaccinated people, but your travel wouldn't bother me.


So, do you ask to see people's vaccination cards? Because we just found out that some neighborhood friends who said they and their kids were vaccinated in fact were NOT (they just got COVID, which is how it all came out).


Its also a false sense of security, because vaccinated people also get covid. I went to a family reunion the last weekend of July, and 12 members of my family got covid. Almost all of them were vaccinated, including me and my husband. Ironically, several unvaccinated adults didn't get it. It wasn't a big confidence booster for prevention, that's for sure. Get the vaccine for yourself, stop worrying about other people.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 11:48     Subject: How do you feel about ppl who travel?
Anonymous wrote:Are you vaccinated? Do you comply with mask mandates? Have you been reasonably careful all throughout the pandemic? I wouldn't attend your party because you aren't all vaccinated, and we currently only socialize indoors with vaccinated people, but your travel wouldn't bother me.


+1 If you want to be extra careful, get tested after your trip. I no longer think that it's reasonable to expect people not to travel, but I prefer to socialize with those who are vaccinated, mask indoors, and are generally careful, including staying home and/or testing if sick.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 11:47     Subject: How do you feel about ppl who travel?
Anonymous wrote:Are people still avoiding people who go away?

I would like to have a small holiday party. We are going to Disney world. Not sure if people will want to avoid us.

We were ultra careful for a year. Then adults got vaccinated. 2 of my 3 kids are now vaccinated. DH and I have our boosters.



I would definitely avoid you.

Travel isn’t safe!
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 09:13     Subject: How do you feel about ppl who travel?
My husband and I had our boosters. We have a young child (not old enough to be vaccinated), but we still travel. Only domestically in the US for now, because of the travel restrictions internationally. I do not avoid people who travel unless they're unvaccinated
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 09:12     Subject: How do you feel about ppl who travel?
Anonymous wrote:Are you vaccinated? Do you comply with mask mandates? Have you been reasonably careful all throughout the pandemic? I wouldn't attend your party because you aren't all vaccinated, and we currently only socialize indoors with vaccinated people, but your travel wouldn't bother me.


So, do you ask to see people's vaccination cards? Because we just found out that some neighborhood friends who said they and their kids were vaccinated in fact were NOT (they just got COVID, which is how it all came out).
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2021 18:50     Subject: How do you feel about ppl who travel?
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t care if you go to Disney. I’m not coming into your house within a week of your return.


Let me clarify. I have a good sense of community spread in my neighborhood, my kids schools, kids’ sports teams and activities. Two years in, I have a decent sense which families are cautious and which are reckless. I would probably attend an indoor party at a neighbor’s house right now - but if I arrived and you or a guest had just come back from an out of state vacation - airplane, hotel, restaurants, etc. - I would be annoyed. Not because of the risk per se, but because you didn’t allow me to calculate what that risk meant to me and make a decision. Once I am at the party, it’s pretty awkward to walk out.


OP here. I was you. I would avoid those who I knew were more risky. We did that from about Months 15-18. Now we are almost back to normal except hanging out in groups.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2021 09:46     Subject: How do you feel about ppl who travel?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t care if you go to Disney. I’m not coming into your house within a week of your return.


Let me clarify. I have a good sense of community spread in my neighborhood, my kids schools, kids’ sports teams and activities. Two years in, I have a decent sense which families are cautious and which are reckless. I would probably attend an indoor party at a neighbor’s house right now - but if I arrived and you or a guest had just come back from an out of state vacation - airplane, hotel, restaurants, etc. - I would be annoyed. Not because of the risk per se, but because you didn’t allow me to calculate what that risk meant to me and make a decision. Once I am at the party, it’s pretty awkward to walk out.


Except you don't really. You don't know what anyone else is really doing.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2021 09:45     Subject: Re:How do you feel about ppl who travel?
Anonymous wrote:The silly thing this whole time has been that traveling does not necessarily mean any higher risk. A person could drive to Disneyworld and wear N95s the entire time they're there and someone could stay local and be dining indoors unmasked and attending Wizards games.

It's a false sense of control.

People don't owe you the rundown of what they've been doing and also, they're not going to give it to you. If your risk tolerance is very low, stay home I guess.

And OP, I would come to your party.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2021 09:44     Subject: Re:How do you feel about ppl who travel?
The silly thing this whole time has been that traveling does not necessarily mean any higher risk. A person could drive to Disneyworld and wear N95s the entire time they're there and someone could stay local and be dining indoors unmasked and attending Wizards games.

It's a false sense of control.

People don't owe you the rundown of what they've been doing and also, they're not going to give it to you. If you're risk tolerances is very low, stay home I guess.

And OP, I would come to your party.