Anonymous wrote:My Dc was just deferred from EA to a school he was really excited about and was in the “likely” pile. We are all pretty sad and nervous tonight about applications. Please.stop telling parents with Bs and less than 30ACTs that they should go into the military or learn a trade etc. it’s so unkind. Most kids are average, and in this area being a strong B student actually means something. Mine is at a competitive private school. But it does not matter. I’m worried for him and kids like him in this area that get the message they are not good enough. Doesn’t come from us, but I know it’s hard on him. Anyway just asking for some kindness from people moving forward.

what field does your student want to go into? There is a college and program for everyone. And you're exaggerating saying everyone says go in the military or learn a trade. C'mon. Most responses don't say that

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry for your son’s disappointment but how about you be kind to the many people who are in trades on this board. It’s absurd you are are wounded about the suggestion that could be an ok life when many people reading and suggesting have that life.

+1. Some people are never respectful or grateful of those who worked in trades and skilled labor until they desperately need an electrician, a plumber, or a mechanic. Then they respect that person for exactly the moment they arrived until the problem is fixed, and then it’s right back to looking down on them.

Those of us with critical thinking skills see the writing on the wall: climate change is leading to disasters, and people who are skilled in construction, infrastructure and home repair are going to be in very high demand. Enjoy your crumbling beach house “investment” without the skills of tradespeople to repair and enhance it.

And yet they are also dependent on the college-educated people who model the impact of disasters, who figure out the engineering standards structures need to meet, who write the policy guidelines that tradespeople need to follow, who engage in public policy to transform zoning around flood zones, who provide legal advice on compensation for damages due to poor construction, the actuarials who figure out insurance costs etc. etc. We have an ecosystem of work and there are many people who are important to it.

Anonymous wrote:Sorry for your son’s disappointment but how about you be kind to the many people who are in trades on this board. It’s absurd you are are wounded about the suggestion that could be an ok life when many people reading and suggesting have that life.

+1. Some people are never respectful or grateful of those who worked in trades and skilled labor until they desperately need an electrician, a plumber, or a mechanic. Then they respect that person for exactly the moment they arrived until the problem is fixed, and then it’s right back to looking down on them.

Those of us with critical thinking skills see the writing on the wall: climate change is leading to disasters, and people who are skilled in construction, infrastructure and home repair are going to be in very high demand. Enjoy your crumbling beach house “investment” without the skills of tradespeople to repair and enhance it.

All the tradesmen working on our house drive BMWs.

OP, I’m sorry you are getting this reaction to your heartfelt and emotionally honest post. This board is toxic with some truly vile people posting.

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Anonymous wrote:"The most successful people I know did not go to college."

Give me a break.

DP. I know two self-made billionaires who did not attend college. I’ve met a third (Bill Gates) who attended but did not graduate. That’s in addition to quite a few more run of the mill millionaires that I know. Most college graduates are salary workers who won’t take the risks necessary to get really rich.

Yeah, these are extraordinary people and not a god comparison. Lebron didn't play college ball either, does that mean its a good path to the NBA for most? No, it isn't.

Every single study ever done shows that colleges graduates earn substantially more overall than those without a degree. Every single one. You wanna argue with all the data by mentioning times the coin landed on its edge, have at it. But the rest of us are smart enough to know better. Go to college, you'll likely make much more money. That's not the only reason to go, but if $$$ are a goal, that die is cast.

I don't have any evidence to my last point, so I will qualify it as my opinion/speculation: Most of those "you don't need to go to college" people are anti-intellectual trolls with larger sociopolitical agenda.

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Anonymous wrote:"The most successful people I know did not go to college."

Give me a break.

DP. I know two self-made billionaires who did not attend college. I’ve met a third (Bill Gates) who attended but did not graduate. That’s in addition to quite a few more run of the mill millionaires that I know. Most college graduates are salary workers who won’t take the risks necessary to get really rich.

Can’t imagine why you’d be on a college discussion board.

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Anonymous wrote:"The most successful people I know did not go to college."

Give me a break.

DP. I know two self-made billionaires who did not attend college. I’ve met a third (Bill Gates) who attended but did not graduate. That’s in addition to quite a few more run of the mill millionaires that I know. Most college graduates are salary workers who won’t take the risks necessary to get really rich.

Totally false but you felt you needed to say it. Most of us in the forum want our kids to get good 4 year college educations and grad school if they want it. Citing odd ball geniuses who chose not to cut in college is not helpful. They would have been successful with or without a college degree. My kids would not have. They are not Bill Gates.

OP - you have no idea "what average is"

Op - likely you need a reset on your thinking

Side note, what EA school has released acceptances this early? Was this more of rolling admission?

Average ACT score is 20.6. Chances are we’re still talking WAY above average here.

Sorry, OP! It’s a painful process, but he will find his place. Most do in the end.

This board provides absolutely nothing useful. It is so toxic at the same time. I’d suggest you get off DCUM. Go to college confidential if you need more reasonable responses.

Maybe we need to realize that people’s worth shouldn’t be based on their jobs…

Anonymous wrote:I have a similar son. Your likely was a reach.

+1. Same thing happened to us Op. it stings but we knew all along it wound likely not materialize even with EA