Anonymous
Post 11/08/2021 22:20     Subject: VYS getting into ecnl?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Virginia Legacy, Beach FC, Arlington and Richmond Kicker's ECNL-R teams would all compete if not beat BRYC, McLean and VDA's ECNL teams at most age groups.



That's the boys side - On the girls side its Beach FC and VYS, with some other clubs bubbling up at an age group or two. McLean and VDA are stronger on the girls side, but I'd definitely take those clubs over the bottom 3-4 ECNL Mid Atlantic teams. If there was true promotion and relegation by team instead of by club, Beach and VYS would be in ECNL in almost every age group.

I think Beach is next to get ECNL considering they don't have much competition in the region and they are really solid for boys and girls in almost every age group.

VYS is interesting though. Their consistency at older age groups is pretty impressive considering that they have lost some players over the years as a feeder club to other ECNL programs. And somehow their U12s pre-ECNL are crushing it. I thought Loudoun and Arlington were going to own the RL North at U11 and U12. That's happening at U11, where Arlington is first and Loudoun second by wide margins. But VYS is winning U12 by a lot. They beat 2nd place Arlington 7-0, and have wins against Beach and Loudoun as well. Loudoun is 6th place in the North at U12, but still.

GA would be a good consolation for VYS and that's probably a good fit. Do they want that though? Every club in GA seems to want to go somewhere else.





Yes, if VYS could retain talent and even attract outside talent, they could be a stronger club, but the problem is top talent starts to leave at U13. They do need to play in a higher league to retain talent.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2021 20:59     Subject: VYS getting into ecnl?
Anonymous wrote:Virginia Legacy, Beach FC, Arlington and Richmond Kicker's ECNL-R teams would all compete if not beat BRYC, McLean and VDA's ECNL teams at most age groups.



That's the boys side - On the girls side its Beach FC and VYS, with some other clubs bubbling up at an age group or two. McLean and VDA are stronger on the girls side, but I'd definitely take those clubs over the bottom 3-4 ECNL Mid Atlantic teams. If there was true promotion and relegation by team instead of by club, Beach and VYS would be in ECNL in almost every age group.

I think Beach is next to get ECNL considering they don't have much competition in the region and they are really solid for boys and girls in almost every age group.

VYS is interesting though. Their consistency at older age groups is pretty impressive considering that they have lost some players over the years as a feeder club to other ECNL programs. And somehow their U12s pre-ECNL are crushing it. I thought Loudoun and Arlington were going to own the RL North at U11 and U12. That's happening at U11, where Arlington is first and Loudoun second by wide margins. But VYS is winning U12 by a lot. They beat 2nd place Arlington 7-0, and have wins against Beach and Loudoun as well. Loudoun is 6th place in the North at U12, but still.

GA would be a good consolation for VYS and that's probably a good fit. Do they want that though? Every club in GA seems to want to go somewhere else.



Anonymous
Post 11/08/2021 19:41     Subject: VYS getting into ecnl?
Virginia Legacy, Beach FC, Arlington and Richmond Kicker's ECNL-R teams would all compete if not beat BRYC, McLean and VDA's ECNL teams at most age groups.

Anonymous
Post 11/08/2021 16:56     Subject: VYS getting into ecnl?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The VYS boys teams aren't competitive in ECNL-R

Boys Teams
TEAMS RECORD PLACE LAST 5 RESULTS
Vienna Youth Soccer RL BU13
5-1-0 3rd
Vienna Youth Soccer RL BU14
2-2-3 5th
Vienna Youth Soccer RL BU15
1-6-0 8th
Vienna Youth Soccer RL BU16
2-4-1 6th
Vienna Youth Soccer RL BU17
2-3-2 6th
Vienna Youth Soccer RL BU18/19
2-4-1 6th


As we have said ad nauseum, that is because some of their top players have left by U13 to go elsewhere. The question isn't whether VYS would join as a standalone entrant. It is whether they would do so through alliance with GFR and /or BRYC.


The answer to that question is VYS isn’t getting into ECNL.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2021 16:08     Subject: Re:VYS getting into ecnl?
Beach FC seems like the strongest overall ECNL R club.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2021 16:04     Subject: Re:VYS getting into ecnl?
Unfortunately no one ECNL R team is dominant at all ages.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2021 16:02     Subject: Re:VYS getting into ecnl?
Anonymous wrote:So many confuse ECNL-R with ECNL. Our kid has played in both, and they are not anywhere near the same competition. ECNL-R is basically advanced NCSL and ECNL has anywhere from all-star teams of local clubs to kids who could transition into a college roster tomorrow.


The best ECNL R teams are capable of beating ECNL teams
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2021 15:51     Subject: VYS getting into ecnl?
Anonymous wrote:The VYS boys teams aren't competitive in ECNL-R

Boys Teams
TEAMS RECORD PLACE LAST 5 RESULTS
Vienna Youth Soccer RL BU13
5-1-0 3rd
Vienna Youth Soccer RL BU14
2-2-3 5th
Vienna Youth Soccer RL BU15
1-6-0 8th
Vienna Youth Soccer RL BU16
2-4-1 6th
Vienna Youth Soccer RL BU17
2-3-2 6th
Vienna Youth Soccer RL BU18/19
2-4-1 6th


As we have said ad nauseum, that is because some of their top players have left by U13 to go elsewhere. The question isn't whether VYS would join as a standalone entrant. It is whether they would do so through alliance with GFR and /or BRYC.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2021 15:42     Subject: Re:VYS getting into ecnl?
So many confuse ECNL-R with ECNL. Our kid has played in both, and they are not anywhere near the same competition. ECNL-R is basically advanced NCSL and ECNL has anywhere from all-star teams of local clubs to kids who could transition into a college roster tomorrow.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2021 15:10     Subject: VYS getting into ecnl?
The VYS boys teams aren't competitive in ECNL-R

Boys Teams
TEAMS RECORD PLACE LAST 5 RESULTS
Vienna Youth Soccer RL BU13
5-1-0 3rd
Vienna Youth Soccer RL BU14
2-2-3 5th
Vienna Youth Soccer RL BU15
1-6-0 8th
Vienna Youth Soccer RL BU16
2-4-1 6th
Vienna Youth Soccer RL BU17
2-3-2 6th
Vienna Youth Soccer RL BU18/19
2-4-1 6th
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2021 14:15     Subject: Re:VYS getting into ecnl?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does all this really matter? A new league will be out as soon as more teams start to join ECNL and it becomes "saturated". Maybe it's MLS Next? Maybe it's MLS Next Elite? MLS Champions club league? Clubs will then go through the same BS as always.


This. If ECNL gets to the point where VYS gets in, I'd expect the more elite clubs to already be planning the next league. ECNL exists to exclude small clubs like VYS so that the bigger clubs can compete with other bigger clubs at a higher level.


Don't let them fool you. It's not a competition thing. It's a money thing. The "bigger" the club and league the more money.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2021 10:46     Subject: VYS getting into ecnl?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I heard VA Revolution was going to buy ECNL so they can get in, too!


Well they’re certainly not getting into ECNL any other way.


In 3 years of existence they have a kid signed into DC United and a handful of teens about to secure scholarships for college.

Doesn’t sound too bad, IMO.



OK, so what do they have to do with the development of teens?
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2021 10:46     Subject: VYS getting into ecnl?
Highly doubt Vys gets into ecnl with so many clubs around it already in. GA is possible... But that's it.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2021 09:53     Subject: VYS getting into ecnl?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I heard VA Revolution was going to buy ECNL so they can get in, too!


Well they’re certainly not getting into ECNL any other way.


In 3 years of existence they have a kid signed into DC United and a handful of teens about to secure scholarships for college.

Doesn’t sound too bad, IMO.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2021 09:45     Subject: Re:VYS getting into ecnl?
Anonymous wrote:Does all this really matter? A new league will be out as soon as more teams start to join ECNL and it becomes "saturated". Maybe it's MLS Next? Maybe it's MLS Next Elite? MLS Champions club league? Clubs will then go through the same BS as always.


This. If ECNL gets to the point where VYS gets in, I'd expect the more elite clubs to already be planning the next league. ECNL exists to exclude small clubs like VYS so that the bigger clubs can compete with other bigger clubs at a higher level.