Anonymous
10/26/2021 13:01
Subject: Rules questions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another rules question here:
Player is 1v1 against the GK. Player dribbles around GK, GK dives to try and play the ball and "takes out" player without touching the ball, preventing player from getting a shot on goal. Foul?
No foul
Why not?
Are there, therefore, no restrictions on the GK making forcible contact with a player to prevent a scoring opportunity as long as the GK appears to be trying to make play on the ball?
If keeper made no contact with ball, foul
If keeper got a hand on ball, no foul
No where in the laws does it say that, if the defender gets the ball first, there is no foul. So just keep that in mind. A player can get to the ball and still foul. So many people yell….but he got the ball. Just saying.
Exactly. This exact play happened this weekend where Pogba got a red card when he got the ball. The ref initially called it as a yellow, but then went to red upon VAR review.
Anonymous
10/26/2021 12:42
Subject: Rules questions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:PP used quotation marks and may be omitting some other information, such as, did the attacking player play the ball so far in advance of the goalkeeper that it doesn't an obviously goal scoring oppportunity, that the goalkeeper actually had position and was making a move toward the path of the ball such that the attacker actually collided into the goalkeeper?
Attacker had the ball on her foot, dribbled around the goalie, goalie dove (in an effort to knock the ball away), never got the ball, but took the defender's legs out. Right at the top of the 6.
So now that you asked your question and got a bunch of responses, what do you think the correct call is? Include any cards that you would give and what the restart would be.
Anonymous
10/26/2021 12:29
Subject: Rules questions
Anonymous wrote:PP used quotation marks and may be omitting some other information, such as, did the attacking player play the ball so far in advance of the goalkeeper that it doesn't an obviously goal scoring oppportunity, that the goalkeeper actually had position and was making a move toward the path of the ball such that the attacker actually collided into the goalkeeper?
Attacker had the ball on her foot, dribbled around the goalie, goalie dove (in an effort to knock the ball away), never got the ball, but took the defender's legs out. Right at the top of the 6.
Anonymous
10/26/2021 12:02
Subject: Rules questions
Anonymous wrote:PP used quotation marks and may be omitting some other information, such as, did the attacking player play the ball so far in advance of the goalkeeper that it doesn't an obviously goal scoring oppportunity, that the goalkeeper actually had position and was making a move toward the path of the ball such that the attacker actually collided into the goalkeeper?
Of course, posters are just providing general guidance and direct passages from the Laws of the game. The poster was actually there only knows what really happened,
Anonymous
10/26/2021 11:10
Subject: Rules questions
PP used quotation marks and may be omitting some other information, such as, did the attacking player play the ball so far in advance of the goalkeeper that it doesn't an obviously goal scoring oppportunity, that the goalkeeper actually had position and was making a move toward the path of the ball such that the attacker actually collided into the goalkeeper?
Anonymous
10/26/2021 08:32
Subject: Rules questions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another rules question here:
Player is 1v1 against the GK. Player dribbles around GK, GK dives to try and play the ball and "takes out" player without touching the ball, preventing player from getting a shot on goal. Foul?
No foul
Why not?
Are there, therefore, no restrictions on the GK making forcible contact with a player to prevent a scoring opportunity as long as the GK appears to be trying to make play on the ball?
If keeper made no contact with ball, foul
If keeper got a hand on ball, no foul
No where in the laws does it say that, if the defender gets the ball first, there is no foul. So just keep that in mind. A player can get to the ball and still foul. So many people yell….but he got the ball. Just saying.
That may be true, but generally refs give the benefit of the doubt if the defender is playing the ball vs. the opponent. Hence, why no call often. Soccer like most sports has a lot of judgment calls, which is where the arguing comes into play. Hand ball is a great example. “Natural” position. That is judgement. Makes for good TV drama in the pros.
Anonymous
10/26/2021 07:45
Subject: Rules questions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another rules question here:
Player is 1v1 against the GK. Player dribbles around GK, GK dives to try and play the ball and "takes out" player without touching the ball, preventing player from getting a shot on goal. Foul?
No foul
Of course it is a foul. And also a red card.
So I think it's too much to try to define what a foul is but I think we all agree that if a player (even a goal keeper) "takes out" another player that is at least careless contact, which constitutes a foul. So I think we can agree that the GK fouled the attacker in the box and, based on what the poster said, the GK was attempting to play the ball. With that said, below is directly from the Laws of the Game. Pay attention to the 2nd paragraph.
From Law 12.
Denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity
Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence, the player is sent off wherever the offence occurs.
Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off.
A player, sent-off player, substitute or substituted player who enters the field of play without the required referee’s permission and interferes with play or an opponent and denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity is guilty of a sending-off offence.
The following must be considered:
distance between the offence and the goal
general direction of the play
likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
location and number of defenders
The poster of this situation doesn't say whether this was inside or outside the penalty area. If it was inside the penalty area, looks like a Yellow Card to the keeper and a PK. If it was outside the penalty area, it would be a red card to the keeper and a direct free kick.
Anonymous
10/26/2021 07:30
Subject: Re:Rules questions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I saw an attacking player foul the defender who had successfully shielded the ball. The defender fell as a result of the foul and ended up with the ball trapped under his body. The ref blew his whistle, but the attacker continued and kicked the ball hard right into the defender. Should this have been a red card?
Unless it happened well after the whistle, I don’t see why that would be a red card. If you’re already starting your play on the ball when the whistle blows you won’t necessary be able to stop on a dime.
Did you not read "The ref blew his whistle, but the attacker continued and kicked the ball hard right into the defender."?
Kids can't hear the whistle all the time. You are overreacting.
Kids learn to ignore the first whistle as a byproduct of always playing next to a field with another game.
Anonymous
10/26/2021 07:23
Subject: Rules questions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another rules question here:
Player is 1v1 against the GK. Player dribbles around GK, GK dives to try and play the ball and "takes out" player without touching the ball, preventing player from getting a shot on goal. Foul?
No foul
Of course it is a foul. And also a red card.
So I think it's too much to try to define what a foul is but I think we all agree that if a player (even a goal keeper) "takes out" another player that is at least careless contact, which constitutes a foul. So I think we can agree that the GK fouled the attacker in the box and, based on what the poster said, the GK was attempting to play the ball. With that said, below is directly from the Laws of the Game. Pay attention to the 2nd paragraph.
From Law 12.
Denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity
Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence, the player is sent off wherever the offence occurs.
Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off.
A player, sent-off player, substitute or substituted player who enters the field of play without the required referee’s permission and interferes with play or an opponent and denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity is guilty of a sending-off offence.
The following must be considered:
distance between the offence and the goal
general direction of the play
likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
location and number of defenders
Anonymous
10/26/2021 07:14
Subject: Re:Rules questions
Anonymous wrote:I saw an attacking player foul the defender who had successfully shielded the ball. The defender fell as a result of the foul and ended up with the ball trapped under his body. The ref blew his whistle, but the attacker continued and kicked the ball hard right into the defender. Should this have been a red card?
Did the attacking player yell "SIUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!" after kicking the ball?
Too Soon?
Ole Out.
Anonymous
10/26/2021 05:43
Subject: Rules questions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another rules question here:
Player is 1v1 against the GK. Player dribbles around GK, GK dives to try and play the ball and "takes out" player without touching the ball, preventing player from getting a shot on goal. Foul?
No foul
Why not?
Are there, therefore, no restrictions on the GK making forcible contact with a player to prevent a scoring opportunity as long as the GK appears to be trying to make play on the ball?
If keeper made no contact with ball, foul
If keeper got a hand on ball, no foul
No where in the laws does it say that, if the defender gets the ball first, there is no foul. So just keep that in mind. A player can get to the ball and still foul. So many people yell….but he got the ball. Just saying.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 23:41
Subject: Rules questions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another rules question here:
Player is 1v1 against the GK. Player dribbles around GK, GK dives to try and play the ball and "takes out" player without touching the ball, preventing player from getting a shot on goal. Foul?
No foul
Why not?
Are there, therefore, no restrictions on the GK making forcible contact with a player to prevent a scoring opportunity as long as the GK appears to be trying to make play on the ball?
If keeper made no contact with ball, foul
If keeper got a hand on ball, no foul
Anonymous
10/25/2021 21:18
Subject: Rules questions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another rules question here:
Player is 1v1 against the GK. Player dribbles around GK, GK dives to try and play the ball and "takes out" player without touching the ball, preventing player from getting a shot on goal. Foul?
No foul
Of course it is a foul. And also a red card.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 21:09
Subject: Rules questions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another rules question here:
Player is 1v1 against the GK. Player dribbles around GK, GK dives to try and play the ball and "takes out" player without touching the ball, preventing player from getting a shot on goal. Foul?
No foul
Why not?
Are there, therefore, no restrictions on the GK making forcible contact with a player to prevent a scoring opportunity as long as the GK appears to be trying to make play on the ball?
Anonymous
10/25/2021 20:51
Subject: Rules questions
Anonymous wrote:Another rules question here:
Player is 1v1 against the GK. Player dribbles around GK, GK dives to try and play the ball and "takes out" player without touching the ball, preventing player from getting a shot on goal. Foul?
No foul