Anonymous
10/04/2021 08:13
Subject: If you are a scientist who believes in life after death
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Science cannot explain many things.
Can science explain what causes all cancers? No.
Can science explain the etiology of an idiopathic diagnosis? No.
Do things exist that we cannot see, hear, smell, or feel? Cannot photo or video? Yes, oxygen in the air.
You know the stupidity of this argument, right?
We can demonstrate, easily and in many ways, the existence of oxygen "in the air". There was a time when we could not.
Can you demonstrate the existence of anything supernatural? Anything, any one thing. You pick it. Then get your many prizes and awards and millions of dollars and be known as the world's greatest scientist and prophet, both at the same time, as the rest of us skeptics will immediately believe.
We'll wait.
NP - This is an interesting discussion. Why do you have to be mean?
There’s nothing remotely interesting in people desperately trying to justify what they want to believe.
Anonymous
10/04/2021 08:06
Subject: Re:If you are a scientist who believes in life after death
Any scientist who believes this just simply suspended their disbelief. They have reasons for deciding to believe it - like it's comforting to them, or they just hope it's true.
Anonymous
10/04/2021 06:10
Subject: If you are a scientist who believes in life after death
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Science cannot explain many things.
Can science explain what causes all cancers? No.
Can science explain the etiology of an idiopathic diagnosis? No.
Do things exist that we cannot see, hear, smell, or feel? Cannot photo or video? Yes, oxygen in the air.
You know the stupidity of this argument, right?
We can demonstrate, easily and in many ways, the existence of oxygen "in the air". There was a time when we could not.
Can you demonstrate the existence of anything supernatural? Anything, any one thing. You pick it. Then get your many prizes and awards and millions of dollars and be known as the world's greatest scientist and prophet, both at the same time, as the rest of us skeptics will immediately believe.
We'll wait.
NP - This is an interesting discussion. Why do you have to be mean?
It’s Sheldon
Anonymous
10/04/2021 05:41
Subject: If you are a scientist who believes in life after death
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Science cannot explain many things.
Can science explain what causes all cancers? No.
Can science explain the etiology of an idiopathic diagnosis? No.
Do things exist that we cannot see, hear, smell, or feel? Cannot photo or video? Yes, oxygen in the air.
You know the stupidity of this argument, right?
We can demonstrate, easily and in many ways, the existence of oxygen "in the air". There was a time when we could not.
Can you demonstrate the existence of anything supernatural? Anything, any one thing. You pick it. Then get your many prizes and awards and millions of dollars and be known as the world's greatest scientist and prophet, both at the same time, as the rest of us skeptics will immediately believe.
We'll wait.
NP - This is an interesting discussion. Why do you have to be mean?
Anonymous
10/04/2021 05:34
Subject: If you are a scientist who believes in life after death
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ve read a lot about near death experiences and people’s experiences around death. There’s a remarkable consistency in the stories. There’s so much to this world we don’t know, and I think it’s somewhat arrogant to assume what we can see, touch, feel, hear and taste comprise all of what exists in the universe. Dog’s hear things we can’t. Birds see things we can’t. We have this small life, we come and we go. I believe there’s something more than what we can understand and I’m open to learning as much as I can about it.
the key term there is "near death." Ok? Nobody has ever died and come back to talk about it. So we don't know. The question is who made up the idea of an after life and why? There isn't a scintilla of evidence to support it.
That is not true. Jesus Christ rose from the dead and walked the earth for another 40 days. He had a lot to say about it.
How do you know he rose from the dead? Because the Bible says so? The Koran says Mohammed pushed a mountain. Does that mean it’s true?
The Koran is not indisputably true through historic fact. The Bible is. And yes, that is one way that I know that Jesus rose from the dead - it's very well detailed in the Bible.
The Bible is certainly not true as historic fact. According to the Bible the Universe is only approximately five thousand years old which we know is untrue.
Anonymous
10/04/2021 04:04
Subject: If you are a scientist who believes in life after death
Anonymous wrote:Science cannot explain many things.
Can science explain what causes all cancers? No.
Can science explain the etiology of an idiopathic diagnosis? No.
Do things exist that we cannot see, hear, smell, or feel? Cannot photo or video? Yes, oxygen in the air.
You know the stupidity of this argument, right?
We can demonstrate, easily and in many ways, the existence of oxygen "in the air". There was a time when we could not.
Can you demonstrate the existence of anything supernatural? Anything, any one thing. You pick it. Then get your many prizes and awards and millions of dollars and be known as the world's greatest scientist and prophet, both at the same time, as the rest of us skeptics will immediately believe.
We'll wait.
Anonymous
10/04/2021 00:08
Subject: If you are a scientist who believes in life after death
Anonymous wrote:I’ve read a lot about near death experiences and people’s experiences around death. There’s a remarkable consistency in the stories. There’s so much to this world we don’t know, and I think it’s somewhat arrogant to assume what we can see, touch, feel, hear and taste comprise all of what exists in the universe. Dog’s hear things we can’t. Birds see things we can’t. We have this small life, we come and we go. I believe there’s something more than what we can understand and I’m open to learning as much as I can about it.
I’ve had some experiences since my mom and dad died that have been unexplainable. I used to think gone is gone. Now I don’t. When my mom was in the ICU before she died I asked her to do something so so so specific to let me know it was her after she died. What I asked of her has happened over and over again since she died. And there have been other things related to my das that have down right convinced me that there very well might be life after death. That said, none of us will truly know until our life ends.
Anonymous
10/03/2021 22:47
Subject: If you are a scientist who believes in life after death
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ve read a lot about near death experiences and people’s experiences around death. There’s a remarkable consistency in the stories. There’s so much to this world we don’t know, and I think it’s somewhat arrogant to assume what we can see, touch, feel, hear and taste comprise all of what exists in the universe. Dog’s hear things we can’t. Birds see things we can’t. We have this small life, we come and we go. I believe there’s something more than what we can understand and I’m open to learning as much as I can about it.
the key term there is "near death." Ok? Nobody has ever died and come back to talk about it. So we don't know. The question is who made up the idea of an after life and why? There isn't a scintilla of evidence to support it.
That is not true. Jesus Christ rose from the dead and walked the earth for another 40 days. He had a lot to say about it.
Well the authors of this story, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not around at the time and didn't actually see it. So they may have passed along some legend, or made it up. We'll never know.
Oh, you'll know all right. You'll know for certain when you die.
And you would be surprised to find that there is no heaven, if you didn't just conk out, like everyone else, and not know anything after you die. How do I know this? I don't, for sure, and neither do you.
Anonymous
10/03/2021 21:33
Subject: If you are a scientist who believes in life after death
Science cannot explain many things.
Can science explain what causes all cancers? No.
Can science explain the etiology of an idiopathic diagnosis? No.
Do things exist that we cannot see, hear, smell, or feel? Cannot photo or video? Yes, oxygen in the air.
Can science explain what causes all cancers? No.
Can science explain the etiology of an idiopathic diagnosis? No.
Do things exist that we cannot see, hear, smell, or feel? Cannot photo or video? Yes, oxygen in the air.
Anonymous
10/03/2021 21:30
Subject: If you are a scientist who believes in life after death
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If the soul just disappears when the brain’s on propofol, where could the soul possibly be when the brain’s dead?
Answer: there is no soul. Consciousness ("soul") stops with brain activity.
Consciousness =/= soul
What is the definition of a soul then??
NP
Anonymous
10/03/2021 20:57
Subject: If you are a scientist who believes in life after death
Anonymous wrote:I'm a physicist. I wouldn't say that I believe for sure there is life after death, but I would say that there are many, many things that we don't know about the universe. There are also many, many things we don't understand about intelligence and "consciousness" (which isn't a well-defined term scientifically, though philosophically I think it is better-defined).
As a result, I can't rule out the possibility that there is some allegorical truth to religious beliefs (I can rule out that there is literal truth to many/most of them). I grew up in a pretty religious (not Christian) household, so it's hard to take a completely agnostic approach to these ideas. Somewhere I probably do believe things on balance lean toward some kind of larger order than what the laws of physics explain. But there is no scientific basis for these beliefs.
Also a physicist. I don’t know if anything of the human continues after death. I would tend to think not given what I know right now. But I also know that this is outside of scientific exploration right now. How do you set up a hypothesis and test something? If someone can figure out how to pose a well controlled question, that would be awesome. And if it results in proof of life after death, fabulous! I just won’t bet the farm on it.
Anonymous
10/03/2021 20:41
Subject: Re:If you are a scientist who believes in life after death
^^ omg bible undisputed truth, WTF.
We can’t even trust the translation.
We can’t even trust the translation.
Anonymous
10/03/2021 20:34
Subject: If you are a scientist who believes in life after death
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ve read a lot about near death experiences and people’s experiences around death. There’s a remarkable consistency in the stories. There’s so much to this world we don’t know, and I think it’s somewhat arrogant to assume what we can see, touch, feel, hear and taste comprise all of what exists in the universe. Dog’s hear things we can’t. Birds see things we can’t. We have this small life, we come and we go. I believe there’s something more than what we can understand and I’m open to learning as much as I can about it.
the key term there is "near death." Ok? Nobody has ever died and come back to talk about it. So we don't know. The question is who made up the idea of an after life and why? There isn't a scintilla of evidence to support it.
That is not true. Jesus Christ rose from the dead and walked the earth for another 40 days. He had a lot to say about it.
How do you know he rose from the dead? Because the Bible says so? The Koran says Mohammed pushed a mountain. Does that mean it’s true?
The Koran is not indisputably true through historic fact. The Bible is. And yes, that is one way that I know that Jesus rose from the dead - it's very well detailed in the Bible.
OK, you just lost everyone on this thread who actually thinks.
No, the Bible is not "indisputably true through historic fact." It's actually a bunch of stories written by different authors and later cobbled together, conveniently omitting stories that challeged the original narrative, and/or were written by women.
Anonymous
10/03/2021 19:51
Subject: If you are a scientist who believes in life after death
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ve read a lot about near death experiences and people’s experiences around death. There’s a remarkable consistency in the stories. There’s so much to this world we don’t know, and I think it’s somewhat arrogant to assume what we can see, touch, feel, hear and taste comprise all of what exists in the universe. Dog’s hear things we can’t. Birds see things we can’t. We have this small life, we come and we go. I believe there’s something more than what we can understand and I’m open to learning as much as I can about it.
the key term there is "near death." Ok? Nobody has ever died and come back to talk about it. So we don't know. The question is who made up the idea of an after life and why? There isn't a scintilla of evidence to support it.
That is not true. Jesus Christ rose from the dead and walked the earth for another 40 days. He had a lot to say about it.
How do you know he rose from the dead? Because the Bible says so? The Koran says Mohammed pushed a mountain. Does that mean it’s true?
The Koran is not indisputably true through historic fact. The Bible is. And yes, that is one way that I know that Jesus rose from the dead - it's very well detailed in the Bible.
These sources claim Jesus ascended bodily into heaven, and then came back in body (or maybe they saw a ghost), but no one, but no one, argues we go bodily up to heaven or hell after death. So that was one singular experience mere mortals can't repeat.
Anonymous
10/03/2021 19:50
Subject: If you are a scientist who believes in life after death
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ve read a lot about near death experiences and people’s experiences around death. There’s a remarkable consistency in the stories. There’s so much to this world we don’t know, and I think it’s somewhat arrogant to assume what we can see, touch, feel, hear and taste comprise all of what exists in the universe. Dog’s hear things we can’t. Birds see things we can’t. We have this small life, we come and we go. I believe there’s something more than what we can understand and I’m open to learning as much as I can about it.
There are scientific explanations to why dogs and birds can hear and see things that humans can't. There are many things we still do not know: science is working on them. Supernatural explanations are simply made up by humans, like everything else that is supernatural.
You missed my point. It’s an analogy. There are things that happen that we don’t know about. The world is so vast, human existence is so tiny compared even to how long our planet has been in existence, let alone the whole universe. How can I, one person who is here for such a short period of time, presume to think I understand it all, and that I can somehow definitively say that this is it, there’s nothing that comes before or after this life? It’s hubris to believe that.