Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:** I forgot Michigan
1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton,
5. Yale, Columbia
7. U Chicago, Caltech, John's Hopkins, Upenn
11. Duke, Northwestern, Brown
14. Dartmouth,*UCB
16. Cornell, *UCLA, Vanderbilt
19. Rice, Carnegie Mellon, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame, Georgetown
25. Gatech, UNC, UVA, Michigan
29. UT Austin, Wisconsin-Madison

I don't understand why Princeton is so high. While it's excellent in the field that it has, it has a very limited number of fields.

You could say the same about MIT.

Anonymous wrote:** I forgot Michigan
1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton,
5. Yale, Columbia
7. U Chicago, Caltech, John's Hopkins, Upenn
11. Duke, Northwestern, Brown
14. Dartmouth,*UCB
16. Cornell, *UCLA, Vanderbilt
19. Rice, Carnegie Mellon, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame, Georgetown
25. Gatech, UNC, UVA, Michigan
29. UT Austin, Wisconsin-Madison

I don't understand why Princeton is so high. While it's excellent in the field that it has, it has a very limited number of fields.

** I forgot Michigan
1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton,
5. Yale, Columbia
7. U Chicago, Caltech, John's Hopkins, Upenn
11. Duke, Northwestern, Brown
14. Dartmouth,*UCB
16. Cornell, *UCLA, Vanderbilt
19. Rice, Carnegie Mellon, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame, Georgetown
25. Gatech, UNC, UVA, Michigan
29. UT Austin, Wisconsin-Madison

There are a few schools ranked below 25 with high peer scores. I'm adding them here..
4.9 Harvard MIT Stanford
4.8 Princeton Yale
4.7 Columbia JHU Berkeley
4.6 UChicago Penn Caltech Cornell
4.5 Duke Michigan
4.4 Northwestern Brown Dartmouth UCLA
4.3 Vanderbilt Carnegie Mellon UVA(!), * GaTech
4.2 Wash U Emory Notre Dame Georgetown,*UNC-CH
4.1 Rice, *UT Austin, * Wisconsin- Madison

This is why the other factors are important, especially selectivity. If it weren't for the other factors, the ranking would not be an accurate representation of prestige at the undergrad level. Academic reputation is important arguably most important, but not everything.
With that's said since everyone else is making a list I'll make my own.
1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton,
5. Yale, Columbia
7. U Chicago, Caltech, John's Hopkins, Upenn
11. Duke, Northwestern, Brown
14. Dartmouth,*UCB
16. Cornell, *UCLA, Vanderbilt
19. Rice, Carnegie Mellon, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame,
Georgetown
25. Gatech, UNC, UVA
28. UT Austin, Wisconsin-Madison

Anonymous wrote:The definitive guide for the top 10 universities:

1. Harvard
2. Stanford
3. MIT
4. Yale
5. Princeton
6. Columbia
7. Penn
8. Caltech
9. Duke
10. JHU


11. Chicago
12. Northwestern
13. Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Cornell

+1

The definitive guide for the top 10 universities:

1. Harvard
2. Stanford
3. MIT
4. Yale
5. Princeton
6. Columbia
7. Penn
8. Caltech
9. Duke
10. JHU


11. Chicago
12. Northwestern
13. Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Cornell

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rearranged the rankings based on reputation scores, you're welcome:

4.9 Harvard MIT Stanford
4.8 Princeton Yale
4.7 Columbia JHU Berkeley
4.6 UChicago Penn Caltech Cornell
4.5 Duke Michigan
4.4 Northwestern Brown Dartmouth UCLA
4.3 Vanderbilt Carnegie Mellon UVA(!)
4.2 Wash U Emory Notre Dame Georgetown
4.1 Rice

And there you have it. The true and correct ranking of top schools in this country.

No, Rice is too low, Cornell, UCLA, Michigan, and UVa too high. Just like admissions are holistic, the rankings should be as well. The other factors make the ranking make sense.

For undergrad, this is my perception...

Harvard MIT Stanford
Princeton Yale
Columbia Chicago Caltech Penn
Duke Northwestern Brown Dartmouth
JHU Cornell Berkeley
Michigan Vanderbilt, UVA, CMU, WashU, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Rice, Emory

Sounds about right, but Chicago is too high. Probably on the level of Duke or lower. It's the least desirable of all the T10. Had to lure in students with false promises of generous FA, then increase their contributions every year. Other schools don't do that usually. At least none of the ivies do.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rearranged the rankings based on reputation scores, you're welcome:

4.9 Harvard MIT Stanford
4.8 Princeton Yale
4.7 Columbia JHU Berkeley
4.6 UChicago Penn Caltech Cornell
4.5 Duke Michigan
4.4 Northwestern Brown Dartmouth UCLA
4.3 Vanderbilt Carnegie Mellon UVA(!)
4.2 Wash U Emory Notre Dame Georgetown
4.1 Rice

And there you have it. The true and correct ranking of top schools in this country.

No, Rice is too low, Cornell, UCLA, Michigan, and UVa too high. Just like admissions are holistic, the rankings should be as well. The other factors make the ranking make sense.

For undergrad, this is my perception...

Harvard MIT Stanford
Princeton Yale
Columbia Chicago Caltech Penn
Duke Northwestern Brown Dartmouth
JHU Cornell Berkeley
Michigan Vanderbilt, UVA, CMU, WashU, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Rice, Emory

No one asked you. Experts stated their opinion already

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rearranged the rankings based on reputation scores, you're welcome:

4.9 Harvard MIT Stanford
4.8 Princeton Yale
4.7 Columbia JHU Berkeley
4.6 UChicago Penn Caltech Cornell
4.5 Duke Michigan
4.4 Northwestern Brown Dartmouth UCLA
4.3 Vanderbilt Carnegie Mellon UVA(!)
4.2 Wash U Emory Notre Dame Georgetown
4.1 Rice

And there you have it. The true and correct ranking of top schools in this country.

No, Rice is too low, Cornell, UCLA, Michigan, and UVa too high. Just like admissions are holistic, the rankings should be as well. The other factors make the ranking make sense.

For undergrad, this is my perception...

Harvard MIT Stanford
Princeton Yale
Columbia Chicago Caltech Penn
Duke Northwestern Brown Dartmouth
JHU Cornell Berkeley
Michigan Vanderbilt, UVA, CMU, WashU, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Rice, Emory

I agree with this 100%.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rearranged the rankings based on reputation scores, you're welcome:

4.9 Harvard MIT Stanford
4.8 Princeton Yale
4.7 Columbia JHU Berkeley
4.6 UChicago Penn Caltech Cornell
4.5 Duke Michigan
4.4 Northwestern Brown Dartmouth UCLA
4.3 Vanderbilt Carnegie Mellon UVA(!)
4.2 Wash U Emory Notre Dame Georgetown
4.1 Rice

And there you have it. The true and correct ranking of top schools in this country.

No, Rice is too low, Cornell, UCLA, Michigan, and UVa too high. Just like admissions are holistic, the rankings should be as well. The other factors make the ranking make sense.

For undergrad, this is my perception...

Harvard MIT Stanford
Princeton Yale
Columbia Chicago Caltech Penn
Duke Northwestern Brown Dartmouth
JHU Cornell Berkeley
Michigan Vanderbilt, UVA, CMU, WashU, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Rice, Emory

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rearranged the rankings based on reputation scores, you're welcome:

4.9 Harvard MIT Stanford
4.8 Princeton Yale
4.7 Columbia JHU Berkeley
4.6 UChicago Penn Caltech Cornell
4.5 Duke Michigan
4.4 Northwestern Brown Dartmouth UCLA
4.3 Vanderbilt Carnegie Mellon UVA(!)
4.2 Wash U Emory Notre Dame Georgetown
4.1 Rice

And there you have it. The true and correct ranking of top schools in this country.

No, Rice is too low, Cornell, UCLA, Michigan, and UVa too high. Just like admissions are holistic, the rankings should be as well. The other factors make the ranking make sense.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PA scores once again prove that Michigan and particularly Berkeley, are woefully under-ranked

Berkeley and Michigan aren't hard to get into, maybe that's why they're ranked lower.

Admit rates for some top Michigan PhD stem programs were < 5% 2 years ago. Probably even harder now.

We're talking Undergrad... Keep up.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s the only data I trust at USNWR. Everything else is easily manipulated, particularly by privates schools, and has been an ongoing concern for decades.

Sooo....the least informed aspect of the data is what you trust? The gut feeling of admin about schools -many of which they've barely heard of (and can be influenced by a bottle of hot sauce). You trust that over research expenditures, faculty accomplishments, student-teacher ratios, students graduating salaries, 6 yr graduation rates etc. Sure things like yield rates and number of applications can be manipulated through marketing but a ton of other things can't.

Thousand of academics respond to the peer reviews. Data can be as easily manipulated. For example, student teacher ratios. There are privates who don’t include grad students in their ratios, as if grad students aren’t using much of the same faculty as undergrad ones.

I don't think grad students are used in the ratio by definition. The bigger manipulation comes on the denominator and how faculty are included in the count (including those that don't really teach undergraduates). This tends to benefit schools with a large graduate to undergraduate ratios.

Anonymous wrote:Rearranged the rankings based on reputation scores, you're welcome:

4.9 Harvard MIT Stanford
4.8 Princeton Yale
4.7 Columbia JHU Berkeley
4.6 UChicago Penn Caltech Cornell
4.5 Duke Michigan
4.4 Northwestern Brown Dartmouth UCLA
4.3 Vanderbilt Carnegie Mellon UVA(!)
4.2 Wash U Emory Notre Dame Georgetown
4.1 Rice

And there you have it. The true and correct ranking of top schools in this country.

Rearranged the rankings based on reputation scores, you're welcome:

4.9 Harvard MIT Stanford
4.8 Princeton Yale
4.7 Columbia JHU Berkeley
4.6 UChicago Penn Caltech Cornell
4.5 Duke Michigan
4.4 Northwestern Brown Dartmouth UCLA
4.3 Vanderbilt Carnegie Mellon UVA(!)
4.2 Wash U Emory Notre Dame Georgetown
4.1 Rice