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Anonymous wrote:As one who is part native american, looking forward to how this progresses.

As an African American this was actually my first thought as well. For me, knowing true native American history is a blind spot, as it is for most Americans. Wondering if the system of reservations/tribal lands and having separate governing bodies was constructed as a remedy?

Read Empire Of The Summer Moon.

Thank you for this!

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Anonymous wrote:As one who is part native american, looking forward to how this progresses.

As an African American this was actually my first thought as well. For me, knowing true native American history is a blind spot, as it is for most Americans. Wondering if the system of reservations/tribal lands and having separate governing bodies was constructed as a remedy?

Read Empire Of The Summer Moon.

Anonymous wrote:As one who is part native american, looking forward to how this progresses.

Were your ancestors the first to settle their land, or did they take it from another people during the prolonged period of inter-tribal conflict, such as the Comanches and the Apache or Tonkawa?

Anonymous wrote:As one who is part native american, looking forward to how this progresses.

As an African American this was actually my first thought as well. For me, knowing true native American history is a blind spot, as it is for most Americans. Wondering if the system of reservations/tribal lands and having separate governing bodies was constructed as a remedy?

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Anonymous wrote:They also did it to Asians in the West.

See the Truckee Method and Japanese Internment.

We can keep going down this rabbit hole. Let's just cut a check to everyone for a million dollars at this rate.

Japanese interned were compensated to some degree in the 1980s.

Not for their land.

Let's all get reparations. Then we can all pay off native Americans who got their lands stolen and were oppressed more than any other group.

true, but the AA family didn't get cash, either.

What's the big deal that LA did this for one family. Did they ask you to give up your land to do this?

I used to live around that area, and that property is seriously some property.

I read about how families build wealth through generations, like Mitch McConnell's family, who used to own slaves and a plantation. They became prosperous and sent their descendants went to ivy leagues schools which builds more wealth. So, although MM didn't own slaves, he is a recipient of the privilege life afforded him on the backs of slaves.

Think about all the AA families who lost their livelihoods in the Tulsa massacre. How different their descendant's lives could have been if a bunch of racist people backed by the cops hadn't destroyed their lives.

It's an interesting theory. Let's measure it against white Tulsans/Oklahomans. How many are swimming in wealth? Not that many. I imagine the upcoming Great Depression/Dust Bowl would have wiped out most of any prosperity, as happened to many Oklahomans.

I know in my own family tree there are people who have gone on to greater prosperity while others have gone down in the world, despite sharing common ancestors and ostensibly the same access to resources. The idea that you'd be sitting pretty a millionaire "if only" is very difficult to prove given few people of any race are millionaires. Most people plod on in various degrees of middle class status, and this does include the majority of present day African Americans. They may not be rich, but they may not be poor either.

Anonymous wrote:We can all find somewhere in history where we were not treated fairly.

True, but the point you and many PPs are missing is the fact that these past events still have repercussions today. Black people still suffer from higher rates of poverty thanks to these past racist policies. For the Irish and the Swedish PPs, last time I checked, Ireland and Sweden are doing very well these day!

Anonymous wrote:The bible says we remember sins for the 3rd and 4th generation.
It is way past 10 generations now

The Bible also states to forgive 70 x 7. Do you take that literally? Like, you only forgive 490 times, and the 491th time you no longer forgive them?

I don't think you understand what that passage really means.

The bible says we remember sins for the 3rd and 4th generation.
It is way past 10 generations now

The Chevy Chase Land Company stuff was not ancient history and it’s still a family firm. The case of the Belmont subdivision seems pretty clear and it wouldn’t be difficult to figure out the descendants of those investors.

Anonymous wrote:I personally like the leasing idea, where possible.

Many people genuinely worked for their homes, it is not fair to push them out

If someone stole your property and a hard working person bought it, would you be okay with just leasing your property back? Hell, no! You’d want to the thief to compensate you both. In this case, the thief is the government. Let the government compensate both parties.

I personally like the leasing idea, where possible.

Many people genuinely worked for their homes, it is not fair to push them out

It's whose, sweetheart, not "who's."

OP here- Thanks for grammar check- it was late. Appreciate that there is open and frank discussion about the CA case and racial covenants.

Thanks to all who are sharing family and personal experiences about loss in your ancestral history. It is important that we all acknowledge that pain so we can recognize our shared humanity.

My personal hope is that the US government, states and municipalities will set up a Truth and Reconciliation process around the violent racist and classist nature/history of its colonial past, the nation’s founding and the systemic racism/classism present in current governing laws and policies. The reconciliation part is where is get more complicated than just posting hash tags. I am confident that the wonky brilliance of DMV types will be excellent at navigating the path forward so we don’t keep replicating systems and structures that keep all people from thriving.

It all starts with honest, respectful and often painful conversation about topics that are difficult to face for many White people. We also don’t have to agree on everything- just hope we can all have open hearts and minds so we can learn from each other’s pains, joys, aspirations and challenges to start building a better society for everyone together.

Thanks again all- learning a lot about people and cultures from this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They also did it to Asians in the West.

See the Truckee Method and Japanese Internment.

We can keep going down this rabbit hole. Let's just cut a check to everyone for a million dollars at this rate.

Japanese interned were compensated to some degree in the 1980s.

Not for their land.

Let's all get reparations. Then we can all pay off native Americans who got their lands stolen and were oppressed more than any other group.

true, but the AA family didn't get cash, either.

What's the big deal that LA did this for one family. Did they ask you to give up your land to do this?

I used to live around that area, and that property is seriously some property.

I read about how families build wealth through generations, like Mitch McConnell's family, who used to own slaves and a plantation. They became prosperous and sent their descendants went to ivy leagues schools which builds more wealth. So, although MM didn't own slaves, he is a recipient of the privilege life afforded him on the backs of slaves.

Think about all the AA families who lost their livelihoods in the Tulsa massacre. How different their descendant's lives could have been if a bunch of racist people backed by the cops hadn't destroyed their lives.

The state held it and gave it back via charity not court compulsion. You’re confusing private deed which will never be taken back simply to be given to another. While reparations may come to pass they too will be given at will and not in the form of taking back. You’re also confusing an individual’s restitution with Systemic reparations for entire populations. Cali knew who got screwed over and it wasn’t just some ubiquitous “black people”

We can all find somewhere in history where we were not treated fairly.