Anonymous
09/28/2021 11:15
Subject: Re:Bad ref
lol, to prevent injury. if you have ref that doesn't call anything and the game is very physical between the teams someone can get seriously hurt.Anonymous wrote:Is Kid’s soccer who cares?
Anonymous
09/28/2021 08:51
Subject: Re:Bad ref
I can handle mistakes because we are all human, and the vast majority of reffing errors (other than the exception below) are debatable calls that don't meaningfully affect the outcome of a game. It happens, move on.
The only thing that really makes me nuts (but I still won't yell at a ref) is when an AR clearly does not understand the offsides rule. Unfortunately, that seems to be many of them, and it can be truly disruptive to the game. We have had ARs who call offsides based on where players are when the ball is received rather than when forward pass is made, who call it anytime the team on offense ends up with the ball on a forward pass regardless of player position (that was particularly egregious), and when the offsides player was on the opposite side of the field from the active play. It's really the only thing I consistently see refs getting wrong that has a meaningful impact on the game, and it's unfortunate because it's a pure training/education issue that the reffing body should be able to address.
The only thing that really makes me nuts (but I still won't yell at a ref) is when an AR clearly does not understand the offsides rule. Unfortunately, that seems to be many of them, and it can be truly disruptive to the game. We have had ARs who call offsides based on where players are when the ball is received rather than when forward pass is made, who call it anytime the team on offense ends up with the ball on a forward pass regardless of player position (that was particularly egregious), and when the offsides player was on the opposite side of the field from the active play. It's really the only thing I consistently see refs getting wrong that has a meaningful impact on the game, and it's unfortunate because it's a pure training/education issue that the reffing body should be able to address.
Anonymous
09/28/2021 08:49
Subject: Re:Bad ref
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One of the "biggest" assignors sent out an email last week reminding all referees to wear the proper uniform. I was thinking....is this the biggest complaint you are getting? If so, that's great, but I doubt that's the biggest complaint. How about telling all the referees that you assign games to to be on time, cover the field better to make better calls (if that means get in better shape, then get in better shape), know the rules of competition for the games you are reffing, brush up on the Laws of the game, .... I was just like....wear the proper uniform??? That's it? I thought she could do better than that. Assignors need to get out to fields or send someone out to fields to check on refs and make sure they are doing a good job and give some feedback. I was doing a U10 girls rec game a few weeks ago and the assignor for that club had a mentor at the games giving advice to all the referees but yet, I've never seen a "mentor" at a"travel" game yet.
It's symbiotic....better reffing will help shut parents and coaches up. Parents and coaches shutting up will help get refs onto the field. There are always emails going out looking for referees. I asked some of my kid's teammates why they don't ref and it's always because they don't want to listen to the parents.
How about you and everyone else that complains about the referees to go get your license? See how it easy it is to ref a game.
No one said it was easy. The easy part is actually knowing the rules, blowing the whistle and running the field. Though, when refs don't do these things, they take a tough job and make it worse.
Anonymous
09/28/2021 08:33
Subject: Re:Bad ref
Anonymous wrote:One of the "biggest" assignors sent out an email last week reminding all referees to wear the proper uniform. I was thinking....is this the biggest complaint you are getting? If so, that's great, but I doubt that's the biggest complaint. How about telling all the referees that you assign games to to be on time, cover the field better to make better calls (if that means get in better shape, then get in better shape), know the rules of competition for the games you are reffing, brush up on the Laws of the game, .... I was just like....wear the proper uniform??? That's it? I thought she could do better than that. Assignors need to get out to fields or send someone out to fields to check on refs and make sure they are doing a good job and give some feedback. I was doing a U10 girls rec game a few weeks ago and the assignor for that club had a mentor at the games giving advice to all the referees but yet, I've never seen a "mentor" at a"travel" game yet.
It's symbiotic....better reffing will help shut parents and coaches up. Parents and coaches shutting up will help get refs onto the field. There are always emails going out looking for referees. I asked some of my kid's teammates why they don't ref and it's always because they don't want to listen to the parents.
How about you and everyone else that complains about the referees to go get your license? See how it easy it is to ref a game.
Anonymous
09/28/2021 08:21
Subject: Re:Bad ref
One of the "biggest" assignors sent out an email last week reminding all referees to wear the proper uniform. I was thinking....is this the biggest complaint you are getting? If so, that's great, but I doubt that's the biggest complaint. How about telling all the referees that you assign games to to be on time, cover the field better to make better calls (if that means get in better shape, then get in better shape), know the rules of competition for the games you are reffing, brush up on the Laws of the game, .... I was just like....wear the proper uniform??? That's it? I thought she could do better than that. Assignors need to get out to fields or send someone out to fields to check on refs and make sure they are doing a good job and give some feedback. I was doing a U10 girls rec game a few weeks ago and the assignor for that club had a mentor at the games giving advice to all the referees but yet, I've never seen a "mentor" at a"travel" game yet.
It's symbiotic....better reffing will help shut parents and coaches up. Parents and coaches shutting up will help get refs onto the field. There are always emails going out looking for referees. I asked some of my kid's teammates why they don't ref and it's always because they don't want to listen to the parents.
It's symbiotic....better reffing will help shut parents and coaches up. Parents and coaches shutting up will help get refs onto the field. There are always emails going out looking for referees. I asked some of my kid's teammates why they don't ref and it's always because they don't want to listen to the parents.
Anonymous
09/28/2021 00:14
Subject: Re:Bad ref
Anonymous wrote:
FYI, there's on online form you can use to give feedback to refs in the VA-DC-MD area.
https://www.vadcsoccerref.com/referee-feedback-program
Looks like maybe only NCSL is using it though. Here's the form: http://reffeedback.com/
Most Ncsl refs are young, this seems a bit extreme
Anonymous
09/27/2021 14:43
Subject: Re:Bad ref
FYI, there's on online form you can use to give feedback to refs in the VA-DC-MD area.
https://www.vadcsoccerref.com/referee-feedback-program
Looks like maybe only NCSL is using it though. Here's the form: http://reffeedback.com/
Anonymous
09/26/2021 16:44
Subject: Bad ref
Anonymous wrote:You missed the most obvious one. Michael Jackson.
Damn ... and now that song is stuck in my head, except it's the Weird Al version.
Anonymous
09/26/2021 16:43
Subject: Bad ref
You missed the most obvious one. Michael Jackson.
Anonymous
09/26/2021 11:47
Subject: Bad ref
RantingSoccerDad wrote:Going in another direction:
George Thorogood
Paul Rodgers
Bono
Mick Jones
Anonymous
09/26/2021 09:56
Subject: Bad ref
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Was Bad Ref a movie staring Cameron Diaz, or was it Harvey Kietel?
Bad Teacher was Cameron Diaz.
We know. Try to keep up.
Bad Teacher
Bad Lieutenant
Bad Santa
Bad Boys (80s)
Bad Boys (90s)
Anonymous
09/26/2021 02:14
Subject: Bad ref
Anonymous wrote:Was Bad Ref a movie staring Cameron Diaz, or was it Harvey Kietel?
Bad Teacher was Cameron Diaz.
Anonymous
09/25/2021 09:20
Subject: Bad ref
RantingSoccerDad wrote:Anonymous wrote:Was Bad Ref a movie staring Cameron Diaz, or was it Harvey Kietel?
Or Billy Bob Thornton?
Or Sean Penn or Will Smith and Martin Lawrence. Penn’s movie was much better.
Anonymous
09/24/2021 07:59
Subject: Bad ref
Was Bad Ref a movie staring Cameron Diaz, or was it Harvey Kietel?
Anonymous
09/23/2021 15:40
Subject: Re:Bad ref
RantingSoccerDad wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is Kid’s soccer who cares?
The league would like to improve the quality of its refs so would like to receive feedback so they can train their refs.
Leagues don’t have refs. Clubs don’t have refs.
Loudoun Soccer does its own ref training, and coaches are given a specific contact if they think refs made a mistake.
Are you talking about loudoun’s internal rec program? If so, then ok. Because certified referees who do NCSL, ccl, edp, ecnl-r, vpsl, ECNL, mls next, etc are not contacted by leagues or clubs. They are contacted by assignors for those matches.
Just to clarify -- as far as I know, Loudoun's rec program uses "certified" referees. They seek out refs through the same mailing lists and sites that the NCSL/CCL/EDP/etc. assignors do.
Vienna has its own in-house rec program as well, but the refs are all required to have USSF certification, and there's a bit more overlap this year because one of the major assignors is working with the club.
Everyone has a shortage -- in fact, if you had a game recently with no ref or an incomplete crew, I'd be interested in talking with you about it. Even MLS Next games have assignors scrambling. It's apparently much worse in England.
Loudoun rec coaches were given a name to contact about complaints and compliments for refs.