Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 00:41     Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The dog is the give away. Who would take a dog on such a hike? Even if the dog had done it before and it was strong, it was a risk. Too much of a pain to then have to deal with the dog if he stopped walking or was in distress.

Makes absolutely no sense.





But the dog cuts both ways in either a happy family outing scenario or a march to death scenario. Same issue with burning paws on trail, overheating, lying down and not moving, etc.

I agree with you but they did take the dog.

I do find it odd that the very furry dog was 8 and they had managed not to bake it to death to that point, then suddenly this.


I think the dog points to a march to death, personally. This would be a really treacherous outing for a furry dog that I don't think most responsible owners would ever undertake (and they didn't bake him for 8 years as you say.) I've lived in similar climates and my active breed goes out basically at sunrise and after sunset and it is still for like 30 min at a shot, max, with mid-day pees only. It was a march to the death for the dog for sure and I can't believe they wouldn't know that, so I doubt the happy family outing narrative.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 00:24     Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
Poor Oski

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-dog-rescued-heatstroke

https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-west/health/2021/09/09/on-hot-days--dogs-can-suffer-heat-stroke

https://readnews.us/us-news/california-dog-rescued-after-collapsing-from-heatstroke-on-trail-prompting-warning-to-pet-owners

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/dog-collapses-during-hike-on-three-sisters-falls-trail-serves-as-heat-exhaustion-warning-for-pet-owners/129010/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCGnYQpFAww SDHS rescues dog with heatstroke at Three Sisters Falls hiking trail

109 was registered nearby in the shade. The temps in Devil's Gulch could well have been higher plus the trail and rocks would have been radiating heat back up. SAR dogs on Tuesday morning were pulled because the trail was burning their paws. On Sunday afternoon it may well have been hotter. And the only way out was a very steep climb, regardless of which trail they climbed out on.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 00:15     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:The historic heat wave that’s scorched a great deal of the Pacific Northwest has been blamed for hundreds of deaths in Oregon, Washington and British Columbia in the past week.
Oregon’s state medical examiner’s office said the extreme heat has killed at least 63 people in the state since Friday. In King County, Washington, which includes Seattle, nearly a dozen people died from the heat Wednesday.
Lisa Lapointe, British Columbia’s chief coroner, said at least 486 sudden deaths had been reported between Friday and Wednesday and that number is set to increase.


https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/a-chilling-cure-facing-killer-heat-seattle-area-ers-use-body-bags-to-save-lives/
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2021 22:36     Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:The dog is the give away. Who would take a dog on such a hike? Even if the dog had done it before and it was strong, it was a risk. Too much of a pain to then have to deal with the dog if he stopped walking or was in distress.

Makes absolutely no sense.





But the dog cuts both ways in either a happy family outing scenario or a march to death scenario. Same issue with burning paws on trail, overheating, lying down and not moving, etc.

I agree with you but they did take the dog.

I do find it odd that the very furry dog was 8 and they had managed not to bake it to death to that point, then suddenly this.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2021 22:30     Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
The dog is the give away. Who would take a dog on such a hike? Even if the dog had done it before and it was strong, it was a risk. Too much of a pain to then have to deal with the dog if he stopped walking or was in distress.

Makes absolutely no sense.



Anonymous
Post 09/21/2021 21:03     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:MS incidents appear much higher than HS.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-equation/202003/the-tragedy-murder-suicides


In national parks in triple digit heat with no shade?

GTFOH and go back to your TC swamp.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2021 18:25     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just a side note, in reading this thread I have been googling many of the terms like FA and stats on MS. Just hope nothing bad happens and police look at my search history! Lol.


Good luck with that, lol!

We may never know given how long the bodies sat out in the heat.

Neither is nearly as common as HS is in 109+ degree hikes in steep canyons.


Exactly, but we'll never convince the crazy FA poster in this forum.


More FA than HS here.
FBI and crime scene units do not investigate H.s deaths and multiple HS deaths can be determined in autopsy. So, there’s that.
The one thing that can’t be determined in autopsy is drug overdose. Hence tox and more tox analysis.




The FBI was asked to unlock phones. I guess Mariposa didn't spring for the software.

Who should process the scene if not the crime scene unit? The we are sure what it was unit?
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2021 18:21     Subject: What happened to this California family?
The main lesson from this thread is that if you are going to off yourself do it in as bland and boring a manner as possible, or your life will be picked to part by strangers who will find evidence of every little bad decision you ever made.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2021 18:16     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Many HS deaths have witnesses. If not, it becomes a finding by exclusion, thus further analysis.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2021 18:15     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:MS incidents appear much higher than HS.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-equation/202003/the-tragedy-murder-suicides


Murder suicides are HIGHER than deaths due to heat stroke in 109+ degree weather in full sun? M'kay.



Anonymous
Post 09/21/2021 17:54     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just a side note, in reading this thread I have been googling many of the terms like FA and stats on MS. Just hope nothing bad happens and police look at my search history! Lol.


Good luck with that, lol!

We may never know given how long the bodies sat out in the heat.

Neither is nearly as common as HS is in 109+ degree hikes in steep canyons.


Exactly, but we'll never convince the crazy FA poster in this forum.


More FA than HS here.
FBI and crime scene units do not investigate H.s deaths and multiple HS deaths can be determined in autopsy. So, there’s that.
The one thing that can’t be determined in autopsy is drug overdose. Hence tox and more tox analysis.


Anonymous
Post 09/21/2021 16:47     Subject: What happened to this California family?
So many interesting theories, lots of possibilities. The biggie is that foul play has not been ruled out. WTH.
What is meant by foul play? Murder as in MS?
This sure appears to be MS.

Anonymous
Post 09/21/2021 16:46     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:The historic heat wave that’s scorched a great deal of the Pacific Northwest has been blamed for hundreds of deaths in Oregon, Washington and British Columbia in the past week.
Oregon’s state medical examiner’s office said the extreme heat has killed at least 63 people in the state since Friday. In King County, Washington, which includes Seattle, nearly a dozen people died from the heat Wednesday.
Lisa Lapointe, British Columbia’s chief coroner, said at least 486 sudden deaths had been reported between Friday and Wednesday and that number is set to increase.


Fake news. Hundreds of thousands of people were outdoors in the same heat and didn't die. I suggest you look for boulders or snakes.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2021 16:43     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just a side note, in reading this thread I have been googling many of the terms like FA and stats on MS. Just hope nothing bad happens and police look at my search history! Lol.


Good luck with that, lol!

We may never know given how long the bodies sat out in the heat.

Neither is nearly as common as HS is in 109+ degree hikes in steep canyons.


Exactly, but we'll never convince the crazy FA poster in this forum.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2021 16:32     Subject: What happened to this California family?
The historic heat wave that’s scorched a great deal of the Pacific Northwest has been blamed for hundreds of deaths in Oregon, Washington and British Columbia in the past week.
Oregon’s state medical examiner’s office said the extreme heat has killed at least 63 people in the state since Friday. In King County, Washington, which includes Seattle, nearly a dozen people died from the heat Wednesday.
Lisa Lapointe, British Columbia’s chief coroner, said at least 486 sudden deaths had been reported between Friday and Wednesday and that number is set to increase.