Anonymous
07/27/2023 11:37
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Looks like Ukraine has committed its forces in the southeast. Hopefully there's a breakthrough
Very perplexed by African countries going through with their summit meeting with Putin. Genuinely bizarre. There's no good outcome here.
The US forces things on countries they view as unnatural and wrong. Its pushed a lot of countries into the China/Russia orbit.
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The state dept gives lectures
Anonymous
07/27/2023 11:35
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Looks like Ukraine has committed its forces in the southeast. Hopefully there's a breakthrough
Very perplexed by African countries going through with their summit meeting with Putin. Genuinely bizarre. There's no good outcome here.
Africa has never and never will be a developed continent. There is no Wakanda and no hope for anything above Johannesburg. And South Africa truly sucks, but that is the best you are going to get.
No loss for the west.
Actually, countries like Botswana, Zambia, Namibia, Tanzania have a lot of great potential as stable, growing countries.
South Africa is a living hell though. People should get out while they still can.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 11:26
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Looks like Ukraine has committed its forces in the southeast. Hopefully there's a breakthrough
Very perplexed by African countries going through with their summit meeting with Putin. Genuinely bizarre. There's no good outcome here.
Africa has never and never will be a developed continent. There is no Wakanda and no hope for anything above Johannesburg. And South Africa truly sucks, but that is the best you are going to get.
No loss for the west.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 10:45
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Looks like Ukraine has committed its forces in the southeast. Hopefully there's a breakthrough
Very perplexed by African countries going through with their summit meeting with Putin. Genuinely bizarre. There's no good outcome here.
The turnout for African countries' heads of state is a lot fewer this year than it was in previous years.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 10:07
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Looks like Ukraine has committed its forces in the southeast. Hopefully there's a breakthrough
Very perplexed by African countries going through with their summit meeting with Putin. Genuinely bizarre. There's no good outcome here.
The US forces things on countries they view as unnatural and wrong. Its pushed a lot of countries into the China/Russia orbit.
So be it. Western countries need to grow a spine and stop relations with countries like Egypt, Ethiopia, and South Africa.. Countries that support Russia's invasion of Ukraine should be held to account. The west certainly doesn't need them. If you support Russian imperialism, go for it. But the west shouldn't spend a nickel in aid or trade with these parasite countries.
LOL why don't you stop relations with the Gulf dictatorships that fund terror, ban their populace from participation in the government, and treat women like legal chattel? Oh wait you can't, you need their money and their oil. That's all right then, human rights are overrated anyway, and they are only for the right people.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 09:31
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Looks like Ukraine has committed its forces in the southeast. Hopefully there's a breakthrough
Very perplexed by African countries going through with their summit meeting with Putin. Genuinely bizarre. There's no good outcome here.
The US forces things on countries they view as unnatural and wrong. Its pushed a lot of countries into the China/Russia orbit.
So be it. Western countries need to grow a spine and stop relations with countries like Egypt, Ethiopia, and South Africa.. Countries that support Russia's invasion of Ukraine should be held to account. The west certainly doesn't need them. If you support Russian imperialism, go for it. But the west shouldn't spend a nickel in aid or trade with these parasite countries.
Insane. Sacrificing bilateral relationships with multiple countries over the petulant behavior of a semi-failed state with an economy the size of Brazil and an ineffective military filled with drunks and convicts.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 09:03
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Looks like Ukraine has committed its forces in the southeast. Hopefully there's a breakthrough
Very perplexed by African countries going through with their summit meeting with Putin. Genuinely bizarre. There's no good outcome here.
It was very under-attended by African leaders and, in an odd twist, Prigozhin was photographed in attendance. Just really embarrassing for Putin all-around. He basically bribed attendees by offering 50 thousand tons of grain in the next few months (another thing that he'll fail to deliver on, of course). What a reduced country...
Anonymous
07/27/2023 08:31
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
There is a divorce epidemic in Ukraine: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/25/world/europe/ukraine-war-divorce.html
While the men are stuck on the front, many women and children fled the country for western Europe. Now those women are restarting their lives with new men.
While the men are stuck on the front, many women and children fled the country for western Europe. Now those women are restarting their lives with new men.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 08:06
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Looks like Ukraine has committed its forces in the southeast. Hopefully there's a breakthrough
Very perplexed by African countries going through with their summit meeting with Putin. Genuinely bizarre. There's no good outcome here.
I'm not worried at all.
Sure, they can buy off the corrupt government heads with hookers and money, but that will be similar to their relationship with Saudi Arabia - a marriage of convenience that ends in divorce when the water gets too hot.
It will give the Africans time to really get to know Russians well. The average ultranationalist supporting the government is exceptionally xenophobic and unconditionally racist. My guess is that some FSB agent or cop will see a black diplomat on the street, not realize they're a dignitary and treat them exactly the way the other 0.04% of blacks are treated in Russia. It will be a 'warm welcome' I'm sure. In the end, I think the Russian government will drive their own wedge between themselves and Africa.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 08:00
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Looks like Ukraine has committed its forces in the southeast. Hopefully there's a breakthrough
Very perplexed by African countries going through with their summit meeting with Putin. Genuinely bizarre. There's no good outcome here.
The US forces things on countries they view as unnatural and wrong. Its pushed a lot of countries into the China/Russia orbit.
So be it. Western countries need to grow a spine and stop relations with countries like Egypt, Ethiopia, and South Africa.. Countries that support Russia's invasion of Ukraine should be held to account. The west certainly doesn't need them. If you support Russian imperialism, go for it. But the west shouldn't spend a nickel in aid or trade with these parasite countries.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 07:08
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Looks like Ukraine has committed its forces in the southeast. Hopefully there's a breakthrough
Very perplexed by African countries going through with their summit meeting with Putin. Genuinely bizarre. There's no good outcome here.
The US forces things on countries they view as unnatural and wrong. Its pushed a lot of countries into the China/Russia orbit.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 04:02
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Looks like Ukraine has committed its forces in the southeast. Hopefully there's a breakthrough
Very perplexed by African countries going through with their summit meeting with Putin. Genuinely bizarre. There's no good outcome here.
Very perplexed by African countries going through with their summit meeting with Putin. Genuinely bizarre. There's no good outcome here.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 00:29
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
This thread has to been taken over by a clownish pro-Russian troll who claims the most laughably fake stuff, and a pro-Ukrainian over-enthusiastic poster who goes crazy refuting them.
You two suck all the air out of the discussion, because no one else can get a word in when you bicker and clog up the thread.
The point of a discussion is that we can all contribute. It would be nice if you could both calm down and post less. Only one of you is a troll at the service of a dictator, but the other is honestly also getting pretty annoying.
Thank you for saying this!
There are least three of us currently shoving back on the hypocrisy about Iraq and such. You can pick it up by writing styles and time-stamps if you know what to look for.
Call us stooges, trolls, bots or what have you, but you're hearing a chorus not a soloist.
No, I actually agree with you and I am sad you get branded as trolls.
Not saying Russia is a knight in shining armor but come on?? Everybody does it (if they are big enough) so the outrage is a little hypocritical
"Everyone does it so Russia should be allowed to invade Ukraine too!" Again, the fallacy of two wrongs somehow making a right - it's a fail.
Also, did the US remain in Iraq? No. And it was never the intention of the US to remain indefinitely. Given the rationalization of "well the US did it, so..." then tell me exactly when Russia plans to leave Ukraine, after invading? Because, Russia has EVERY intention of keeping Ukraine indefinitely. "Well, it's always been OUR Crimea" and "Well we need space between us and NATO" and worst of all, "Well, Ukraine was never really a country and Ukrainians are all just Russians so it's not really even an invasion to conquer it."
SO MUCH bullshit rhetoric from the Russia side, yet you want to sit there like it's all just some hypocritical manufactured outrage from Americans? Come on, man. You cannot be serious.
Wait wait don't tell me....are you admitting the invasion of Iraq was...drrrumm roll....wrong?
How are you going to atone? Give up your foreign assets? Disconnect yourself from SWIFT? Come on, I wanna see some self flagellation.
Are you new to the US? Have you been under a rock for the last 20 years?
Please explain how America's sins in Iraq have affected your travel, your finances, and your foreign holdings. How did collective responsibility affect you specifically?
Please do tell how Russia's invasion of Ukraine has affected your travel, your finances, and your foreign holdings. How did collective responsibility affect you specifically?
I don't live in Russia so it hasn't, but my family does and it has affected them.
Ah, so your family is directly targeted and personally listed on sanctions lists? That would mean they are either close associates of Putin, or other oligarchs who are supporting this war, or senior officials or military officers who are supporting this war.
And I am supposed to be sympathetic to this how and why?
Or, prominent propagandists et cetera. They don't put Yuri the Plumber on a sanctions list.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 00:28
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
This thread has to been taken over by a clownish pro-Russian troll who claims the most laughably fake stuff, and a pro-Ukrainian over-enthusiastic poster who goes crazy refuting them.
You two suck all the air out of the discussion, because no one else can get a word in when you bicker and clog up the thread.
The point of a discussion is that we can all contribute. It would be nice if you could both calm down and post less. Only one of you is a troll at the service of a dictator, but the other is honestly also getting pretty annoying.
Thank you for saying this!
There are least three of us currently shoving back on the hypocrisy about Iraq and such. You can pick it up by writing styles and time-stamps if you know what to look for.
Call us stooges, trolls, bots or what have you, but you're hearing a chorus not a soloist.
No, I actually agree with you and I am sad you get branded as trolls.
Not saying Russia is a knight in shining armor but come on?? Everybody does it (if they are big enough) so the outrage is a little hypocritical
"Everyone does it so Russia should be allowed to invade Ukraine too!" Again, the fallacy of two wrongs somehow making a right - it's a fail.
Also, did the US remain in Iraq? No. And it was never the intention of the US to remain indefinitely. Given the rationalization of "well the US did it, so..." then tell me exactly when Russia plans to leave Ukraine, after invading? Because, Russia has EVERY intention of keeping Ukraine indefinitely. "Well, it's always been OUR Crimea" and "Well we need space between us and NATO" and worst of all, "Well, Ukraine was never really a country and Ukrainians are all just Russians so it's not really even an invasion to conquer it."
SO MUCH bullshit rhetoric from the Russia side, yet you want to sit there like it's all just some hypocritical manufactured outrage from Americans? Come on, man. You cannot be serious.
Wait wait don't tell me....are you admitting the invasion of Iraq was...drrrumm roll....wrong?
How are you going to atone? Give up your foreign assets? Disconnect yourself from SWIFT? Come on, I wanna see some self flagellation.
Are you new to the US? Have you been under a rock for the last 20 years?
Please explain how America's sins in Iraq have affected your travel, your finances, and your foreign holdings. How did collective responsibility affect you specifically?
Please do tell how Russia's invasion of Ukraine has affected your travel, your finances, and your foreign holdings. How did collective responsibility affect you specifically?
I don't live in Russia so it hasn't, but my family does and it has affected them.
If you don't like the consequences, then grow a spine and stop the war by demanding a withdrawal. The war would end tomorrow if that happened.
But instead you wanna falsely blame Ukraine for being invaded and whine at random people on the internet for no reason. Pffft.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 00:26
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
This thread has to been taken over by a clownish pro-Russian troll who claims the most laughably fake stuff, and a pro-Ukrainian over-enthusiastic poster who goes crazy refuting them.
You two suck all the air out of the discussion, because no one else can get a word in when you bicker and clog up the thread.
The point of a discussion is that we can all contribute. It would be nice if you could both calm down and post less. Only one of you is a troll at the service of a dictator, but the other is honestly also getting pretty annoying.
Thank you for saying this!
There are least three of us currently shoving back on the hypocrisy about Iraq and such. You can pick it up by writing styles and time-stamps if you know what to look for.
Call us stooges, trolls, bots or what have you, but you're hearing a chorus not a soloist.
No, I actually agree with you and I am sad you get branded as trolls.
Not saying Russia is a knight in shining armor but come on?? Everybody does it (if they are big enough) so the outrage is a little hypocritical
"Everyone does it so Russia should be allowed to invade Ukraine too!" Again, the fallacy of two wrongs somehow making a right - it's a fail.
Also, did the US remain in Iraq? No. And it was never the intention of the US to remain indefinitely. Given the rationalization of "well the US did it, so..." then tell me exactly when Russia plans to leave Ukraine, after invading? Because, Russia has EVERY intention of keeping Ukraine indefinitely. "Well, it's always been OUR Crimea" and "Well we need space between us and NATO" and worst of all, "Well, Ukraine was never really a country and Ukrainians are all just Russians so it's not really even an invasion to conquer it."
SO MUCH bullshit rhetoric from the Russia side, yet you want to sit there like it's all just some hypocritical manufactured outrage from Americans? Come on, man. You cannot be serious.
Wait wait don't tell me....are you admitting the invasion of Iraq was...drrrumm roll....wrong?
How are you going to atone? Give up your foreign assets? Disconnect yourself from SWIFT? Come on, I wanna see some self flagellation.
Are you new to the US? Have you been under a rock for the last 20 years?
Please explain how America's sins in Iraq have affected your travel, your finances, and your foreign holdings. How did collective responsibility affect you specifically?
Please do tell how Russia's invasion of Ukraine has affected your travel, your finances, and your foreign holdings. How did collective responsibility affect you specifically?
I don't live in Russia so it hasn't, but my family does and it has affected them.
Ah, so your family is directly targeted and personally listed on sanctions lists? That would mean they are either close associates of Putin, or other oligarchs who are supporting this war, or senior officials or military officers who are supporting this war.
And I am supposed to be sympathetic to this how and why?