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Anonymous wrote:The original point of this thread is whether DCU is a strong academy or not. I have only joined this conversation recently as I educate myself on options based on how my kid is developing and invitations we have received.

Since I have been on here, the DCU proponent has used a “prove it argument” so he could easily dispel one facet of every argument in order to move the goal posts and create 197 pages of conjecture. Perfect legal strategy for the supporter of a club owned by an attorney.

When finally pinned down with 4 easily provable facts they tried their theory and someone came back with the facts again. It has been radio silence since then and the story has shifted to other “arguments.”

The last one is most damning and lasting for me and explains a lot as a newcomer. DC United, with territorial rights provided by the MLS to all of the top players within 75 miles, feels it is in competition with an ordinary pay-to-play club that has recently provided DCU its most productive assets. Instead of collaborating with the club or even acquiring its development braintrust, they have decided to spend their time with the clubs who will “play ball” their way which appears to not be very productive. I am not saying BSC are choir boys and girls, but man, that is crazy work and “Daniel Snyder-like” petty.

BSC is a club with 1/1000 of the resources of DCU shares MoCo with Potomac, Achilles and Armour while DCU has 3-4 states and the District that basically bend the knee to DCU.

I only care about parents being educated on their choices. In DCU’s own words, the launch of the full-time residency in 3 age groups “elevates the Academy to professional standards…”. If you have to elevate to professional, you are operating at an amateur level.

4 facts were presented that proved what in the context of measurable tangible elements comparing dcu to the other 31 academies objectively?
And do these facts show all the other 31 academies are doing substantial better development to produce professional level players for their hundreds of kids?

The facts show DCU is not an elite academy and subpar.

The lack of MLS academy graduates to top professional levels shows no MLS academy is elite
Unless we're going by the ECNL etc translated definition of elite

Ok, let's take your baseline argument as true. That no MLS academy is elite. That isn't true, but let's say it's true for argument sake. Then if they all suck, which is what you're saying, then you, as a parent need to try and choose the one that sucks the least. DCU sucks the MOST for all the reasons stated. MLS is still a young league. DCU is one of the oldest and most established clubs in the MLS. For it to be behind ANY MLS club in anything given it's history is a shame. But to be behind clubs that just started less than 5 years ago like Inter Miami is just embarrassing.

You unsuccessfully tried to use this argument many months ago. It's like saying the USMNT is as good as the Netherlands because neither have one a world cup. Or that me and Harry Kane are the same because we both never won a Ballon d'or. Or that Millwall or Wrexham are the same as Newcastle or Tottenham because none of them have ever won the Premier League. Having a similar net result doesn't mean you are similarly situated. It's a fundamentally flawed argument.

And if you want to talk Philly Union or DCU, there is no argument that can be advanced to support a position that DCU is a better academy than Philly Union. It just doesn't exist. There is nothing that DCU does better than Philly. That is a FACT.

Anonymous wrote:Fired the GM and top candidates to take over have no MLS experience. Really unfortunate.

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Anonymous wrote:The original point of this thread is whether DCU is a strong academy or not. I have only joined this conversation recently as I educate myself on options based on how my kid is developing and invitations we have received.

Since I have been on here, the DCU proponent has used a “prove it argument” so he could easily dispel one facet of every argument in order to move the goal posts and create 197 pages of conjecture. Perfect legal strategy for the supporter of a club owned by an attorney.

When finally pinned down with 4 easily provable facts they tried their theory and someone came back with the facts again. It has been radio silence since then and the story has shifted to other “arguments.”

The last one is most damning and lasting for me and explains a lot as a newcomer. DC United, with territorial rights provided by the MLS to all of the top players within 75 miles, feels it is in competition with an ordinary pay-to-play club that has recently provided DCU its most productive assets. Instead of collaborating with the club or even acquiring its development braintrust, they have decided to spend their time with the clubs who will “play ball” their way which appears to not be very productive. I am not saying BSC are choir boys and girls, but man, that is crazy work and “Daniel Snyder-like” petty.

BSC is a club with 1/1000 of the resources of DCU shares MoCo with Potomac, Achilles and Armour while DCU has 3-4 states and the District that basically bend the knee to DCU.

I only care about parents being educated on their choices. In DCU’s own words, the launch of the full-time residency in 3 age groups “elevates the Academy to professional standards…”. If you have to elevate to professional, you are operating at an amateur level.

4 facts were presented that proved what in the context of measurable tangible elements comparing dcu to the other 31 academies objectively?
And do these facts show all the other 31 academies are doing substantial better development to produce professional level players for their hundreds of kids?

The facts show DCU is not an elite academy and subpar.

The lack of MLS academy graduates to top professional levels shows no MLS academy is elite
Unless we're going by the ECNL etc translated definition of elite

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Anonymous wrote:The original point of this thread is whether DCU is a strong academy or not. I have only joined this conversation recently as I educate myself on options based on how my kid is developing and invitations we have received.

Since I have been on here, the DCU proponent has used a “prove it argument” so he could easily dispel one facet of every argument in order to move the goal posts and create 197 pages of conjecture. Perfect legal strategy for the supporter of a club owned by an attorney.

When finally pinned down with 4 easily provable facts they tried their theory and someone came back with the facts again. It has been radio silence since then and the story has shifted to other “arguments.”

The last one is most damning and lasting for me and explains a lot as a newcomer. DC United, with territorial rights provided by the MLS to all of the top players within 75 miles, feels it is in competition with an ordinary pay-to-play club that has recently provided DCU its most productive assets. Instead of collaborating with the club or even acquiring its development braintrust, they have decided to spend their time with the clubs who will “play ball” their way which appears to not be very productive. I am not saying BSC are choir boys and girls, but man, that is crazy work and “Daniel Snyder-like” petty.

BSC is a club with 1/1000 of the resources of DCU shares MoCo with Potomac, Achilles and Armour while DCU has 3-4 states and the District that basically bend the knee to DCU.

I only care about parents being educated on their choices. In DCU’s own words, the launch of the full-time residency in 3 age groups “elevates the Academy to professional standards…”. If you have to elevate to professional, you are operating at an amateur level.

4 facts were presented that proved what in the context of measurable tangible elements comparing dcu to the other 31 academies objectively?
And do these facts show all the other 31 academies are doing substantial better development to produce professional level players for their hundreds of kids?

No, those facts just show that DCU is not a good academy.

No, those facts just show people with nothing to do can come up with all kinds of circumstantial irrelevant nonsense to fees their biased narrative agenda crusade

Toothless

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Anonymous wrote:This argument is out of my league, but since it has somehow become a DC vs Philly comparison for some reason, who are players that left the dc area choosing Philly Union over DCU and made it to US national U21, U23 and senior men's teams?
or became high level professionals

Does that matter?? Whether they left DCU to go to Philly?? Bottom line is Philly is just a better academy. Period. And so are almost all of the other MLS academiss in the country

So the argument you're making is Philly Union is the best option for DC area kids and you must avoid DCU or leave DCU and go to Philly.
Yet there are no success stories of players going to Philly Union academy from DC area

What's your logic and rational since you're not using precedent of successful examples?

Aaron Heard specifically left the DMV to avoid DCU and went to Philly Union then to St Louis FC and then on to Bayern Leverkusen in Germany where he is today. He was a youth national team player and intentionally didn't go to DCU for all the reasons that have been outlined. . This isn't about Philly. MANY other players left the DMV to avoid DCU. Do the research, it's all out there if you want to find it.

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Aaron Heard went from Bethesda to Philly Union for a year
Was in St Louis for 4

So St Louis developed him

That said, one kid out of thousands who left the dmv in 2019 for a year at Philly is your logic and benchmark examples of why all dmv kids must go to Philly? haha

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Anonymous wrote:The original point of this thread is whether DCU is a strong academy or not. I have only joined this conversation recently as I educate myself on options based on how my kid is developing and invitations we have received.

Since I have been on here, the DCU proponent has used a “prove it argument” so he could easily dispel one facet of every argument in order to move the goal posts and create 197 pages of conjecture. Perfect legal strategy for the supporter of a club owned by an attorney.

When finally pinned down with 4 easily provable facts they tried their theory and someone came back with the facts again. It has been radio silence since then and the story has shifted to other “arguments.”

The last one is most damning and lasting for me and explains a lot as a newcomer. DC United, with territorial rights provided by the MLS to all of the top players within 75 miles, feels it is in competition with an ordinary pay-to-play club that has recently provided DCU its most productive assets. Instead of collaborating with the club or even acquiring its development braintrust, they have decided to spend their time with the clubs who will “play ball” their way which appears to not be very productive. I am not saying BSC are choir boys and girls, but man, that is crazy work and “Daniel Snyder-like” petty.

BSC is a club with 1/1000 of the resources of DCU shares MoCo with Potomac, Achilles and Armour while DCU has 3-4 states and the District that basically bend the knee to DCU.

I only care about parents being educated on their choices. In DCU’s own words, the launch of the full-time residency in 3 age groups “elevates the Academy to professional standards…”. If you have to elevate to professional, you are operating at an amateur level.

4 facts were presented that proved what in the context of measurable tangible elements comparing dcu to the other 31 academies objectively?
And do these facts show all the other 31 academies are doing substantial better development to produce professional level players for their hundreds of kids?

No, those facts just show that DCU is not a good academy.

No, those facts just show people with nothing to do can come up with all kinds of circumstantial irrelevant nonsense to fees their biased narrative agenda crusade

Toothless

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Anonymous wrote:The original point of this thread is whether DCU is a strong academy or not. I have only joined this conversation recently as I educate myself on options based on how my kid is developing and invitations we have received.

Since I have been on here, the DCU proponent has used a “prove it argument” so he could easily dispel one facet of every argument in order to move the goal posts and create 197 pages of conjecture. Perfect legal strategy for the supporter of a club owned by an attorney.

When finally pinned down with 4 easily provable facts they tried their theory and someone came back with the facts again. It has been radio silence since then and the story has shifted to other “arguments.”

The last one is most damning and lasting for me and explains a lot as a newcomer. DC United, with territorial rights provided by the MLS to all of the top players within 75 miles, feels it is in competition with an ordinary pay-to-play club that has recently provided DCU its most productive assets. Instead of collaborating with the club or even acquiring its development braintrust, they have decided to spend their time with the clubs who will “play ball” their way which appears to not be very productive. I am not saying BSC are choir boys and girls, but man, that is crazy work and “Daniel Snyder-like” petty.

BSC is a club with 1/1000 of the resources of DCU shares MoCo with Potomac, Achilles and Armour while DCU has 3-4 states and the District that basically bend the knee to DCU.

I only care about parents being educated on their choices. In DCU’s own words, the launch of the full-time residency in 3 age groups “elevates the Academy to professional standards…”. If you have to elevate to professional, you are operating at an amateur level.

4 facts were presented that proved what in the context of measurable tangible elements comparing dcu to the other 31 academies objectively?
And do these facts show all the other 31 academies are doing substantial better development to produce professional level players for their hundreds of kids?

The facts show DCU is not an elite academy and subpar.

The lack of MLS academy graduates to top professional levels shows no MLS academy is elite
Unless we're going by the ECNL etc translated definition of elite

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This argument is out of my league, but since it has somehow become a DC vs Philly comparison for some reason, who are players that left the dc area choosing Philly Union over DCU and made it to US national U21, U23 and senior men's teams?
or became high level professionals

Does that matter?? Whether they left DCU to go to Philly?? Bottom line is Philly is just a better academy. Period. And so are almost all of the other MLS academiss in the country

So the argument you're making is Philly Union is the best option for DC area kids and you must avoid DCU or leave DCU and go to Philly.
Yet there are no success stories of players going to Philly Union academy from DC area

What's your logic and rational since you're not using precedent of successful examples?

Aaron Heard specifically left the DMV to avoid DCU and went to Philly Union then to St Louis FC and then on to Bayern Leverkusen in Germany where he is today. He was a youth national team player and intentionally didn't go to DCU for all the reasons that have been outlined. . This isn't about Philly. MANY other players left the DMV to avoid DCU. Do the research, it's all out there if you want to find it.

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Aaron Heard went from Bethesda to Philly Union for a year
Was in St Louis for 4

So St Louis developed him

That said, one kid out of thousands who left the dmv in 2019 for a year at Philly is your logic and benchmark examples of why all dmv kids must go to Philly? haha

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Anonymous wrote:The original point of this thread is whether DCU is a strong academy or not. I have only joined this conversation recently as I educate myself on options based on how my kid is developing and invitations we have received.

Since I have been on here, the DCU proponent has used a “prove it argument” so he could easily dispel one facet of every argument in order to move the goal posts and create 197 pages of conjecture. Perfect legal strategy for the supporter of a club owned by an attorney.

When finally pinned down with 4 easily provable facts they tried their theory and someone came back with the facts again. It has been radio silence since then and the story has shifted to other “arguments.”

The last one is most damning and lasting for me and explains a lot as a newcomer. DC United, with territorial rights provided by the MLS to all of the top players within 75 miles, feels it is in competition with an ordinary pay-to-play club that has recently provided DCU its most productive assets. Instead of collaborating with the club or even acquiring its development braintrust, they have decided to spend their time with the clubs who will “play ball” their way which appears to not be very productive. I am not saying BSC are choir boys and girls, but man, that is crazy work and “Daniel Snyder-like” petty.

BSC is a club with 1/1000 of the resources of DCU shares MoCo with Potomac, Achilles and Armour while DCU has 3-4 states and the District that basically bend the knee to DCU.

I only care about parents being educated on their choices. In DCU’s own words, the launch of the full-time residency in 3 age groups “elevates the Academy to professional standards…”. If you have to elevate to professional, you are operating at an amateur level.

4 facts were presented that proved what in the context of measurable tangible elements comparing dcu to the other 31 academies objectively?
And do these facts show all the other 31 academies are doing substantial better development to produce professional level players for their hundreds of kids?

The facts show DCU is not an elite academy and subpar.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The original point of this thread is whether DCU is a strong academy or not. I have only joined this conversation recently as I educate myself on options based on how my kid is developing and invitations we have received.

Since I have been on here, the DCU proponent has used a “prove it argument” so he could easily dispel one facet of every argument in order to move the goal posts and create 197 pages of conjecture. Perfect legal strategy for the supporter of a club owned by an attorney.

When finally pinned down with 4 easily provable facts they tried their theory and someone came back with the facts again. It has been radio silence since then and the story has shifted to other “arguments.”

The last one is most damning and lasting for me and explains a lot as a newcomer. DC United, with territorial rights provided by the MLS to all of the top players within 75 miles, feels it is in competition with an ordinary pay-to-play club that has recently provided DCU its most productive assets. Instead of collaborating with the club or even acquiring its development braintrust, they have decided to spend their time with the clubs who will “play ball” their way which appears to not be very productive. I am not saying BSC are choir boys and girls, but man, that is crazy work and “Daniel Snyder-like” petty.

BSC is a club with 1/1000 of the resources of DCU shares MoCo with Potomac, Achilles and Armour while DCU has 3-4 states and the District that basically bend the knee to DCU.

I only care about parents being educated on their choices. In DCU’s own words, the launch of the full-time residency in 3 age groups “elevates the Academy to professional standards…”. If you have to elevate to professional, you are operating at an amateur level.

4 facts were presented that proved what in the context of measurable tangible elements comparing dcu to the other 31 academies objectively?
And do these facts show all the other 31 academies are doing substantial better development to produce professional level players for their hundreds of kids?

No, those facts just show that DCU is not a good academy.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This argument is out of my league, but since it has somehow become a DC vs Philly comparison for some reason, who are players that left the dc area choosing Philly Union over DCU and made it to US national U21, U23 and senior men's teams?
or became high level professionals

Does that matter?? Whether they left DCU to go to Philly?? Bottom line is Philly is just a better academy. Period. And so are almost all of the other MLS academiss in the country

So the argument you're making is Philly Union is the best option for DC area kids and you must avoid DCU or leave DCU and go to Philly.
Yet there are no success stories of players going to Philly Union academy from DC area

What's your logic and rational since you're not using precedent of successful examples?

Aaron Heard specifically left the DMV to avoid DCU and went to Philly Union then to St Louis FC and then on to Bayern Leverkusen in Germany where he is today. He was a youth national team player and intentionally didn't go to DCU for all the reasons that have been outlined. . This isn't about Philly. MANY other players left the DMV to avoid DCU. Do the research, it's all out there if you want to find it.

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Anonymous wrote:The original point of this thread is whether DCU is a strong academy or not. I have only joined this conversation recently as I educate myself on options based on how my kid is developing and invitations we have received.

Since I have been on here, the DCU proponent has used a “prove it argument” so he could easily dispel one facet of every argument in order to move the goal posts and create 197 pages of conjecture. Perfect legal strategy for the supporter of a club owned by an attorney.

When finally pinned down with 4 easily provable facts they tried their theory and someone came back with the facts again. It has been radio silence since then and the story has shifted to other “arguments.”

The last one is most damning and lasting for me and explains a lot as a newcomer. DC United, with territorial rights provided by the MLS to all of the top players within 75 miles, feels it is in competition with an ordinary pay-to-play club that has recently provided DCU its most productive assets. Instead of collaborating with the club or even acquiring its development braintrust, they have decided to spend their time with the clubs who will “play ball” their way which appears to not be very productive. I am not saying BSC are choir boys and girls, but man, that is crazy work and “Daniel Snyder-like” petty.

BSC is a club with 1/1000 of the resources of DCU shares MoCo with Potomac, Achilles and Armour while DCU has 3-4 states and the District that basically bend the knee to DCU.

I only care about parents being educated on their choices. In DCU’s own words, the launch of the full-time residency in 3 age groups “elevates the Academy to professional standards…”. If you have to elevate to professional, you are operating at an amateur level.

4 facts were presented that proved what in the context of measurable tangible elements comparing dcu to the other 31 academies objectively?
And do these facts show all the other 31 academies are doing substantial better development to produce professional level players for their hundreds of kids?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This argument is out of my league, but since it has somehow become a DC vs Philly comparison for some reason, who are players that left the dc area choosing Philly Union over DCU and made it to US national U21, U23 and senior men's teams?
or became high level professionals

Does that matter?? Whether they left DCU to go to Philly?? Bottom line is Philly is just a better academy. Period. And so are almost all of the other MLS academiss in the country

So the argument you're making is Philly Union is the best option for DC area kids and you must avoid DCU or leave DCU and go to Philly.
Yet there are no success stories of players going to Philly Union academy from DC area

What's your logic and rational since you're not using precedent of successful examples?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The original point of this thread is whether DCU is a strong academy or not. I have only joined this conversation recently as I educate myself on options based on how my kid is developing and invitations we have received.

Since I have been on here, the DCU proponent has used a “prove it argument” so he could easily dispel one facet of every argument in order to move the goal posts and create 197 pages of conjecture. Perfect legal strategy for the supporter of a club owned by an attorney.

When finally pinned down with 4 easily provable facts they tried their theory and someone came back with the facts again. It has been radio silence since then and the story has shifted to other “arguments.”

The last one is most damning and lasting for me and explains a lot as a newcomer. DC United, with territorial rights provided by the MLS to all of the top players within 75 miles, feels it is in competition with an ordinary pay-to-play club that has recently provided DCU its most productive assets. Instead of collaborating with the club or even acquiring its development braintrust, they have decided to spend their time with the clubs who will “play ball” their way which appears to not be very productive. I am not saying BSC are choir boys and girls, but man, that is crazy work and “Daniel Snyder-like” petty.

BSC is a club with 1/1000 of the resources of DCU shares MoCo with Potomac, Achilles and Armour while DCU has 3-4 states and the District that basically bend the knee to DCU.

I only care about parents being educated on their choices. In DCU’s own words, the launch of the full-time residency in 3 age groups “elevates the Academy to professional standards…”. If you have to elevate to professional, you are operating at an amateur level.

4 facts were presented that proved what in the context of measurable tangible elements comparing dcu to the other 31 academies objectively?
And do these facts show all the other 31 academies are doing substantial better development to produce professional level players for their hundreds of kids?