Anonymous
10/30/2025 17:11
Subject: Boundary Review Meetings
I responded to "The resolution is terrible".Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you zoom in/give it time to resolve on a fast computer, it's very legible.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thanks super specific SPA person! Looks like FCPS has posted the map of SPAs, but there isn’t any student count associated.
https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-10/2025-26_student_planning_areas_map.pdf
Oof.
The resolution is terrible. It is nearly impossible to read anything.
The legibility isn't the issue. The issue is that it ought to tell you the number of ES, MS, and HS students associated with each SPA, but it doesn't.
Regarding student count, understood/agreed, but it'd be a retrieval from an underlying GIS rather than PDF. They should also provide basic demographics. They have to have the data, they're just not providing it...
Anonymous
10/30/2025 17:06
Subject: Boundary Review Meetings
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you zoom in/give it time to resolve on a fast computer, it's very legible.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thanks super specific SPA person! Looks like FCPS has posted the map of SPAs, but there isn’t any student count associated.
https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-10/2025-26_student_planning_areas_map.pdf
Oof.
The resolution is terrible. It is nearly impossible to read anything.
The legibility isn't the issue. The issue is that it ought to tell you the number of ES, MS, and HS students associated with each SPA, but it doesn't.
It's almost like they don't want anyone to know.
Anonymous
10/30/2025 17:05
Subject: Boundary Review Meetings
Anonymous wrote:If you zoom in/give it time to resolve on a fast computer, it's very legible.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thanks super specific SPA person! Looks like FCPS has posted the map of SPAs, but there isn’t any student count associated.
https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-10/2025-26_student_planning_areas_map.pdf
Oof.
The resolution is terrible. It is nearly impossible to read anything.
What good is it? Mine is clear but I don't see any numbers for students. I see the SPA but without population numbers.
Anonymous
10/30/2025 17:01
Subject: Boundary Review Meetings
Anonymous wrote:If you zoom in/give it time to resolve on a fast computer, it's very legible.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thanks super specific SPA person! Looks like FCPS has posted the map of SPAs, but there isn’t any student count associated.
https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-10/2025-26_student_planning_areas_map.pdf
Oof.
The resolution is terrible. It is nearly impossible to read anything.
The legibility isn't the issue. The issue is that it ought to tell you the number of ES, MS, and HS students associated with each SPA, but it doesn't.
Anonymous
10/30/2025 16:59
Subject: Boundary Review Meetings
If you zoom in/give it time to resolve on a fast computer, it's very legible.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thanks super specific SPA person! Looks like FCPS has posted the map of SPAs, but there isn’t any student count associated.
https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-10/2025-26_student_planning_areas_map.pdf
Oof.
The resolution is terrible. It is nearly impossible to read anything.
Anonymous
10/30/2025 16:51
Subject: Boundary Review Meetings
Anonymous wrote:Thanks super specific SPA person! Looks like FCPS has posted the map of SPAs, but there isn’t any student count associated.
https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-10/2025-26_student_planning_areas_map.pdf
Oof.
The resolution is terrible. It is nearly impossible to read anything.
Anonymous
10/30/2025 16:29
Subject: Boundary Review Meetings
Thanks super specific SPA person! Looks like FCPS has posted the map of SPAs, but there isn’t any student count associated.
https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-10/2025-26_student_planning_areas_map.pdf
https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-10/2025-26_student_planning_areas_map.pdf
Anonymous
10/30/2025 16:22
Subject: Boundary Review Meetings
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Scenario 3 was better for that area of wolftrap. No more attendance island
It's not a Wolftrap ES island. It's a Westbriar ES island.
Moving that island to Wolftrap would have been the obvious solution and avoided the new problems they've created (they've turned the island into an ES/MS/HS island rather than just an ES island, and they're crowding Thoreau).
But it will be hard to put the genie back in the bottle once they've offered the Wolftrap families now at Marshall a one-way ticket out of IB to a wealthier school.
Scenario 3 moved that westbriar island into Wolftrap elementary. They just thought they could get into Colvin run but ended up where they started.
Read the community notes. Wolftrap rejected the Westbriar island because they didn’t want to shift any of their students to Westbriar, which was required to make the scenario work.
If anyone in the Westbriar island is complaining about being at Marshall instead of Langley, they’re doing a terrible job, because nobody has said a peep about the island in these meetings.
It’s the people with eyeballs that are wondering why there’s now an attendance island sitting 2 miles away from the rest of its attendance zone at every school level. Maybe have transportation simulate some bus run times before proceeding. It doesn’t seem efficient to have a bunch of buses constantly crossing paths to pick up students.
There could have been some adults in the room saying tough shit. It would make sense to move the Westbriar island to Wolftrap and part of Wolftrap (Planning Area 2803, for those accessing the SPAs).
A related complaint was that Scenario 3 left the western most part of the Marshall boundary stranded from the rest of the Marshall boundary (even though it was contiguous with no attendance islands). They could have addressed this by restoring SPA 2810 to Marshall (as does Scenario 4), but moving some Marshall-zoned areas at Wolftrap further west (SPAs 2801 and 2808 to Madison). Keep in mind that reducing the overcrowding at Kilmer is a legitimate goal.
They didn't do this, so now they've got most Wolftrap families now at Marshall happy that they are moving to Madison, and an aggravated Westbriar attendance island. PP hopes they'll just undo all the Madison/Marshall changes but that ignores the fact that they want to bring down the Kilmer enrollment.
Step 1: model Wolftrap and Westbriar being split along the existing Marshall/Madison line. Send future Madison students to Thoreau. This should get both middle schools to around 103% if my math is correct.
Step 2: model all Thoreau/Marshall students at Madison. Get Marshall out of Thoreau.
I have accepted the reality of elementary split feeders. Rip the bandaid off and let’s fix some middle school split feeders already.
Anonymous
10/30/2025 16:11
Subject: Boundary Review Meetings
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fixing wolftrap’s split feeder has Thoreau now projected to be overcrowded and the sad attendance island.
With Scenario 4, Thoreau is projected at 104% capacity which, by their definitions, is not "overcrowded"
Their definition is so great especially the change to have the AAP zoned kids back to Thoreau from Kilmer and Jackson.
This mess should included AAP at all MS from the 1st scenario. All are large enough to have AAP.
Thoreau program capacity is 1379.
SY 2004-25 =1248, 91%. Add estimated 95 AAP =97%
Thru Sc 4 =1438, 104%. Add estimated 95 AAP =111%
AAP transfers are NOT shown by sending school just a total out by school. ARL gives numbers by transfer reason. Not FCPS.
Kilmer 20 in for AAP. 39 total from Thoreau.
Jackson 75 in for AAP. 96 total from Thoreau. Can be double bus routes from Oakton ES boundary near Sunrise Valley ES near Westbriar Island.
Anonymous
10/30/2025 16:09
Subject: Boundary Review Meetings
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Scenario 3 was better for that area of wolftrap. No more attendance island
It's not a Wolftrap ES island. It's a Westbriar ES island.
Moving that island to Wolftrap would have been the obvious solution and avoided the new problems they've created (they've turned the island into an ES/MS/HS island rather than just an ES island, and they're crowding Thoreau).
But it will be hard to put the genie back in the bottle once they've offered the Wolftrap families now at Marshall a one-way ticket out of IB to a wealthier school.
Scenario 3 moved that westbriar island into Wolftrap elementary. They just thought they could get into Colvin run but ended up where they started.
Read the community notes. Wolftrap rejected the Westbriar island because they didn’t want to shift any of their students to Westbriar, which was required to make the scenario work.
If anyone in the Westbriar island is complaining about being at Marshall instead of Langley, they’re doing a terrible job, because nobody has said a peep about the island in these meetings.
It’s the people with eyeballs that are wondering why there’s now an attendance island sitting 2 miles away from the rest of its attendance zone at every school level. Maybe have transportation simulate some bus run times before proceeding. It doesn’t seem efficient to have a bunch of buses constantly crossing paths to pick up students.
There could have been some adults in the room saying tough shit. It would make sense to move the Westbriar island to Wolftrap and part of Wolftrap (Planning Area 2803, for those accessing the SPAs).
A related complaint was that Scenario 3 left the western most part of the Marshall boundary stranded from the rest of the Marshall boundary (even though it was contiguous with no attendance islands). They could have addressed this by restoring SPA 2810 to Marshall (as does Scenario 4), but moving some Marshall-zoned areas at Wolftrap further west (SPAs 2801 and 2808 to Madison). Keep in mind that reducing the overcrowding at Kilmer is a legitimate goal.
They didn't do this, so now they've got most Wolftrap families now at Marshall happy that they are moving to Madison, and an aggravated Westbriar attendance island. PP hopes they'll just undo all the Madison/Marshall changes but that ignores the fact that they want to bring down the Kilmer enrollment.
First paragraph should have been:
There could have been some adults in the room saying tough shit. It would make sense to move the Westbriar island to Wolftrap and part of Wolftrap (Planning Area 2803, for those accessing the SPAs) to Westbriar.
Anonymous
10/30/2025 16:08
Subject: Boundary Review Meetings
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Scenario 3 was better for that area of wolftrap. No more attendance island
It's not a Wolftrap ES island. It's a Westbriar ES island.
Moving that island to Wolftrap would have been the obvious solution and avoided the new problems they've created (they've turned the island into an ES/MS/HS island rather than just an ES island, and they're crowding Thoreau).
But it will be hard to put the genie back in the bottle once they've offered the Wolftrap families now at Marshall a one-way ticket out of IB to a wealthier school.
Scenario 3 moved that westbriar island into Wolftrap elementary. They just thought they could get into Colvin run but ended up where they started.
Read the community notes. Wolftrap rejected the Westbriar island because they didn’t want to shift any of their students to Westbriar, which was required to make the scenario work.
If anyone in the Westbriar island is complaining about being at Marshall instead of Langley, they’re doing a terrible job, because nobody has said a peep about the island in these meetings.
It’s the people with eyeballs that are wondering why there’s now an attendance island sitting 2 miles away from the rest of its attendance zone at every school level. Maybe have transportation simulate some bus run times before proceeding. It doesn’t seem efficient to have a bunch of buses constantly crossing paths to pick up students.
There could have been some adults in the room saying tough shit. It would make sense to move the Westbriar island to Wolftrap and part of Wolftrap (Planning Area 2803, for those accessing the SPAs).
A related complaint was that Scenario 3 left the western most part of the Marshall boundary stranded from the rest of the Marshall boundary (even though it was contiguous with no attendance islands). They could have addressed this by restoring SPA 2810 to Marshall (as does Scenario 4), but moving some Marshall-zoned areas at Wolftrap further west (SPAs 2801 and 2808 to Madison). Keep in mind that reducing the overcrowding at Kilmer is a legitimate goal.
They didn't do this, so now they've got most Wolftrap families now at Marshall happy that they are moving to Madison, and an aggravated Westbriar attendance island. PP hopes they'll just undo all the Madison/Marshall changes but that ignores the fact that they want to bring down the Kilmer enrollment.
Anonymous
10/30/2025 15:40
Subject: Boundary Review Meetings
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Scenario 3 was better for that area of wolftrap. No more attendance island
It's not a Wolftrap ES island. It's a Westbriar ES island.
Moving that island to Wolftrap would have been the obvious solution and avoided the new problems they've created (they've turned the island into an ES/MS/HS island rather than just an ES island, and they're crowding Thoreau).
But it will be hard to put the genie back in the bottle once they've offered the Wolftrap families now at Marshall a one-way ticket out of IB to a wealthier school.
Scenario 3 moved that westbriar island into Wolftrap elementary. They just thought they could get into Colvin run but ended up where they started.
Read the community notes. Wolftrap rejected the Westbriar island because they didn’t want to shift any of their students to Westbriar, which was required to make the scenario work.
If anyone in the Westbriar island is complaining about being at Marshall instead of Langley, they’re doing a terrible job, because nobody has said a peep about the island in these meetings.
It’s the people with eyeballs that are wondering why there’s now an attendance island sitting 2 miles away from the rest of its attendance zone at every school level. Maybe have transportation simulate some bus run times before proceeding. It doesn’t seem efficient to have a bunch of buses constantly crossing paths to pick up students.
Anonymous
10/30/2025 15:34
Subject: Boundary Review Meetings
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Scenario 3 was better for that area of wolftrap. No more attendance island
It's not a Wolftrap ES island. It's a Westbriar ES island.
Moving that island to Wolftrap would have been the obvious solution and avoided the new problems they've created (they've turned the island into an ES/MS/HS island rather than just an ES island, and they're crowding Thoreau).
But it will be hard to put the genie back in the bottle once they've offered the Wolftrap families now at Marshall a one-way ticket out of IB to a wealthier school.
For those of us currently zoned Wolftrap/Kilmer/Marshall and the perfect student body mix at Marshall with strong academic performance here's hoping this boundary review process crashes and burns and no change is made.
Anonymous
10/30/2025 15:15
Subject: Boundary Review Meetings
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Scenario 3 was better for that area of wolftrap. No more attendance island
It's not a Wolftrap ES island. It's a Westbriar ES island.
Moving that island to Wolftrap would have been the obvious solution and avoided the new problems they've created (they've turned the island into an ES/MS/HS island rather than just an ES island, and they're crowding Thoreau).
But it will be hard to put the genie back in the bottle once they've offered the Wolftrap families now at Marshall a one-way ticket out of IB to a wealthier school.
Scenario 3 moved that westbriar island into Wolftrap elementary. They just thought they could get into Colvin run but ended up where they started.
Anonymous
10/30/2025 15:09
Subject: Boundary Review Meetings
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Scenario 3 was better for that area of wolftrap. No more attendance island
It's not a Wolftrap ES island. It's a Westbriar ES island.
Moving that island to Wolftrap would have been the obvious solution and avoided the new problems they've created (they've turned the island into an ES/MS/HS island rather than just an ES island, and they're crowding Thoreau).
They had this fixed in scenario 3!
But it will be hard to put the genie back in the bottle once they've offered the Wolftrap families now at Marshall a one-way ticket out of IB to a wealthier school.