Anonymous
10/12/2021 16:51
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:What a terrible way to die. Sounds slow and painful. I feel so sorry for her family that they know she died at the literal hands of this monster.
Probably hurts worse to know she grew up with the monster. They knew him. Skyped with him. Had dinner with him.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 16:50
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I can see how suffocation might be argued as accidental, but not strangulation. Assuming strangulation requires force and choking to the neck area. Possibly with a rope.
Strangulation isn’t as easy as one would think. DH is a cop and says it takes a lot of strength and time. 2-3 minutes of intense pressure to lose consciousness and 4-7 minutes till brain death.
I don’t know if BL planned it, maybe he snapped but there’s an intent to kill when strangling.
Yes. This probably sounds morbid of me, but from a prosecution perspective it's probably a good thing she was strangled rather than suffocated - you can't accidentally strangle someone.
1st degree murder charges.
With the video of the van at the burial site by the passerby and the confirmation of Gabby's death by strangulation from the coroner, they would have copious evidence to charge and pursue Brian with a murder warrant.
If they ever find him.
He’s long dead or long gone. I hope they charge his enabling parents with something.
The murder warrant would be used to find him. Put him on FBI's Most Wanted and the Interpol watch list.
Based on how things are playing out, I would not be surprised if his Attorney will say accidental and occurred during rough intercourse.
Strangulation by sex gets you 15 years regardless. Like the Shannon Watt case. If he had suffocated her with a pillow 'accidentally' - then maybe.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 16:46
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
What a terrible way to die. Sounds slow and painful. I feel so sorry for her family that they know she died at the literal hands of this monster.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 16:43
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:It was announced today that Gabby died by strangulation, as many of us suspected.
You don’t say.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 16:43
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:He is alive, unless a 3rd party actor killed him or he died due to accidental injury. If he wanted to die, I imagine he would notify his parents by phone or letter he was doing it. They seem to believe he is alive too.
He left his phone behind, and he’s not writing a letter from the woods. Suicide doesn’t take a lot of grand advance planning. It is frequently a spur of the moment decision, especially when cornered for someone who is facing capture and life in prison.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 16:41
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
It was announced today that Gabby died by strangulation, as many of us suspected.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 16:40
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
He is alive, unless a 3rd party actor killed him or he died due to accidental injury. If he wanted to die, I imagine he would notify his parents by phone or letter he was doing it. They seem to believe he is alive too.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 16:37
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I can see how suffocation might be argued as accidental, but not strangulation. Assuming strangulation requires force and choking to the neck area. Possibly with a rope.
Strangulation isn’t as easy as one would think. DH is a cop and says it takes a lot of strength and time. 2-3 minutes of intense pressure to lose consciousness and 4-7 minutes till brain death.
I don’t know if BL planned it, maybe he snapped but there’s an intent to kill when strangling.
Yes. This probably sounds morbid of me, but from a prosecution perspective it's probably a good thing she was strangled rather than suffocated - you can't accidentally strangle someone.
1st degree murder charges.
With the video of the van at the burial site by the passerby and the confirmation of Gabby's death by strangulation from the coroner, they would have copious evidence to charge and pursue Brian with a murder warrant.
If they ever find him.
He’s long dead or long gone. I hope they charge his enabling parents with something.
The murder warrant would be used to find him. Put him on FBI's Most Wanted and the Interpol watch list.
Based on how things are playing out, I would not be surprised if his Attorney will say accidental and occurred during rough intercourse.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 16:34
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That guy has already changed his appearance and is long gone, which is why the dad looks so happy. They will probably find him in a few years when he becomes less careful.
He’s not very smart or careful. Telling cops that he doesn’t have a phone and later pulling it out of his pocket in front of them, texting gabby’s mom as “Gabby” but calling her grandfather the wrong name, etc. If he’s still alive I don’t think he’ll manage to stay hidden for years.
No, he's not smart, but lots of not smart white guys can get away with a lot of stuff. I know, I'm a white woman who knows guys like this. They are usually befriended by fellow abusers who think that he "didn't do anything wrong by teaching his woman a lesson."
He’s not just an abuser, he’s the most identifiable and hunted criminal in the country. No one is going to cozy up to him any longer than it takes to turn him in for $200k or whatever the reward is now.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 16:33
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I can see how suffocation might be argued as accidental, but not strangulation. Assuming strangulation requires force and choking to the neck area. Possibly with a rope.
Strangulation isn’t as easy as one would think. DH is a cop and says it takes a lot of strength and time. 2-3 minutes of intense pressure to lose consciousness and 4-7 minutes till brain death.
I don’t know if BL planned it, maybe he snapped but there’s an intent to kill when strangling.
Yes. This probably sounds morbid of me, but from a prosecution perspective it's probably a good thing she was strangled rather than suffocated - you can't accidentally strangle someone.
1st degree murder charges.
With the video of the van at the burial site by the passerby and the confirmation of Gabby's death by strangulation from the coroner, they would have copious evidence to charge and pursue Brian with a murder warrant.
If they ever find him.
He’s long dead or long gone. I hope they charge his enabling parents with something.
The murder warrant would be used to find him. Put him on FBI's Most Wanted and the Interpol watch list.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 16:32
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That guy has already changed his appearance and is long gone, which is why the dad looks so happy. They will probably find him in a few years when he becomes less careful.
He’s not very smart or careful. Telling cops that he doesn’t have a phone and later pulling it out of his pocket in front of them, texting gabby’s mom as “Gabby” but calling her grandfather the wrong name, etc. If he’s still alive I don’t think he’ll manage to stay hidden for years.
No, he's not smart, but lots of not smart white guys can get away with a lot of stuff. I know, I'm a white woman who knows guys like this. They are usually befriended by fellow abusers who think that he "didn't do anything wrong by teaching his woman a lesson."
Np- Not quite. But it’s amazing how many men can rationalize what happened.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 16:29
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That guy has already changed his appearance and is long gone, which is why the dad looks so happy. They will probably find him in a few years when he becomes less careful.
He’s not very smart or careful. Telling cops that he doesn’t have a phone and later pulling it out of his pocket in front of them, texting gabby’s mom as “Gabby” but calling her grandfather the wrong name, etc. If he’s still alive I don’t think he’ll manage to stay hidden for years.
No, he's not smart, but lots of not smart white guys can get away with a lot of stuff. I know, I'm a white woman who knows guys like this. They are usually befriended by fellow abusers who think that he "didn't do anything wrong by teaching his woman a lesson."
Anonymous
10/12/2021 16:27
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:His parents probably killed him.
Why would they do that, if they recognize that a murder is what caused this huge mess for them? They wouldn’t have fixed anything, just created another murderer in the family.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 16:25
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
His parents probably killed him.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 16:22
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:That guy has already changed his appearance and is long gone, which is why the dad looks so happy. They will probably find him in a few years when he becomes less careful.
He’s not very smart or careful. Telling cops that he doesn’t have a phone and later pulling it out of his pocket in front of them, texting gabby’s mom as “Gabby” but calling her grandfather the wrong name, etc. If he’s still alive I don’t think he’ll manage to stay hidden for years.