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Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone hate her? There is no indication that this was intentional.

Because their wife and only child died because of either her deliberate act or gross incompetence?

There is no indication of either of those.

Why are you jumping to conclusions without any evidence?

We don't know who in the helo was responsible, but we do know they acted recklessly.

We don't know anything until the investigation is over.

We know they ignored the commands from ATC.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone hate her? There is no indication that this was intentional.

Because their wife and only child died because of either her deliberate act or gross incompetence?

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Anonymous wrote:Her qualifications look amazing. God bless her and her family.

What are they? High pressure piloting black hawks?

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Anonymous wrote:Trump's DEI comments and blaming the ATC for apparently being intellectually or psychiatrically disabled and causing the crash are so unprofessional and unsupported that it is hard to understand.

I understand people voting in different ways, having different viewpoints, and prioritizing different things but I don't understand anyone supporting or accepting the outlandish things he says.

This was a tragic event and instead of caring about the people involved, he saw it as an opportunity to level unfounded and defamatory accusations and blame at individuals he didn't even know.

Can the ATC or the FAA respond to this either through legal channels or other means? What are the options to support this ATC who has been treated so terribly on a national stage?

Your don't understand USA or human nature.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else’s mind still blown that DC airspace is used for training? I guess I thought all those military helicopters were actually doing legitimate military work, not training. I get that training is a necessity but still.

Tell me you have no experience with the military without telling me…

This thread really illuminates how many people in our society do not understand basic information about the military because they have never served. Many people today have not only never served, they have no family or friends who have ever served. Thus, they have no context for understanding events that involve the military.

I understand that 70 people are dead because the military inexplicably decided to do training in a civilian area. Being that I am a civilian over whose neighborhood they train, I think I have every right to ask questions.

I have no military experience, but I am an American and know that a few of our most critical military targets are in DC. I'm quite happy to know that the AF and Army regularly run training exercises in the airspace above DC.

These types of exercises are to help leaders escape. They don't help the rest of us, who will be stuck in traffic when the sh-- goes down.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m blaming the military and not the specific BH pilots. There was an incident less than 24 hours before the crash where a commercial airline had to abort a landing due to helicopter traffic below them. Why did that incident not trigger a moratorium on helicopter training exercises until the incident was reviewed for safety issues? How are incidents like this reported?

Yep that’s pretty serious …and then right at it the next day-/boom

It’s because there were A LOT of near misses before this one.

Not sure if this has been linked already, but NYT warned this would happen: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/02/business/air-traffic-controllers-safety.html?unlocked_article_code=1.t04.3N4T.eaYntbIYxAO_&smid=url-share (Gift link)

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else’s mind still blown that DC airspace is used for training? I guess I thought all those military helicopters were actually doing legitimate military work, not training. I get that training is a necessity but still.

Tell me you have no experience with the military without telling me…

This thread really illuminates how many people in our society do not understand basic information about the military because they have never served. Many people today have not only never served, they have no family or friends who have ever served. Thus, they have no context for understanding events that involve the military.

I understand that 70 people are dead because the military inexplicably decided to do training in a civilian area. Being that I am a civilian over whose neighborhood they train, I think I have every right to ask questions.

I have no military experience, but I am an American and know that a few of our most critical military targets are in DC. I'm quite happy to know that the AF and Army regularly run training exercises in the airspace above DC.

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Anonymous wrote:28 years old.

Can someone explain how someone so young in the military was… a both a high ranking helicopter pilot and moonlighting as a White House aide?

The WH social aide gig is a prestigious thing. The ones I know went on to become a US Senator and a CEO.

Funny how the posters with pitchforks seem quiet now that she’s been named.

The PR angle of listing her prizes and awards and accolades was smart. They made the story instead of letting Trump make the story.

Interesting. Why does she need crisis PR? Do the two male victims in the helicopter have crisis PR? Why were their names everywhere and only hers was shielded for 3 days?

Easy: she is female, they are male, and the POTUS already attacked her before her identity was revealed.

You obviously are male, since that wasn't readily apparent to you.

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Anonymous wrote:28 years old.

Can someone explain how someone so young in the military was… a both a high ranking helicopter pilot and moonlighting as a White House aide?

The WH social aide gig is a prestigious thing. The ones I know went on to become a US Senator and a CEO.

Funny how the posters with pitchforks seem quiet now that she’s been named.

The PR angle of listing her prizes and awards and accolades was smart. They made the story instead of letting Trump make the story.

Interesting. Why does she need crisis PR? Do the two male victims in the helicopter have crisis PR? Why were their names everywhere and only hers was shielded for 3 days?

How would I know? Are you going to share your conspiracy theory now?

Why don’t we know the name of the VIP?

Who cares about the VIP? This pilot slammed a helicopter into a commercial jetliner. That’s all people will remember.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else’s mind still blown that DC airspace is used for training? I guess I thought all those military helicopters were actually doing legitimate military work, not training. I get that training is a necessity but still.

Tell me you have no experience with the military without telling me…

This thread really illuminates how many people in our society do not understand basic information about the military because they have never served. Many people today have not only never served, they have no family or friends who have ever served. Thus, they have no context for understanding events that involve the military.

I understand that 70 people are dead because the military inexplicably decided to do training in a civilian area. Being that I am a civilian over whose neighborhood they train, I think I have every right to ask questions.

Anonymous wrote:Trump's DEI comments and blaming the ATC for apparently being intellectually or psychiatrically disabled and causing the crash are so unprofessional and unsupported that it is hard to understand.

I understand people voting in different ways, having different viewpoints, and prioritizing different things but I don't understand anyone supporting or accepting the outlandish things he says.

This was a tragic event and instead of caring about the people involved, he saw it as an opportunity to level unfounded and defamatory accusations and blame at individuals he didn't even know.

Can the ATC or the FAA respond to this either through legal channels or other means? What are the options to support this ATC who has been treated so terribly on a national stage?

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Honestly I don’t see under what grounds they could request that and have it honored. It’s the first major airline accident in the U.S. in 25 years- of course the names of the military members involved were going to be revealed along with the manifest of everyone on the commercial flight.

A couple of days to scrub her socials, google search, public records, and who knows what else? This young lady was clearly another “JD Vance” they were grooming for high office.

I’m sure they did scrub her social media and everything else. But only to prevent voyeurs peeking at all the details of her private life. I was ROTC (and active duty) and I knew her type. She sounds exactly like all of us: classic overachiever, wants to do what is right. I highly doubt there was anything remotely nefarious or controversial on her social media. She probably knew better as an officer to even post anything of political opinion as well. I don’t know anything about flying, but I’m very confident there is no “gotcha” about her character

Not very believable at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:She was the DEI that was the focus immediately afterwards?

The Administration was trying to rile people up into assuming the pilot was an incompetent black woman. I don’t know how many posts I read on here and X stating the pilot was a black woman.

No. Most just assumed a woman. And they assumed right. Trump was obviously told who was senior command on that helicopter and then popped off right after on live TV.

Yes, but he popped off about ATCs, not about pilots. He suggested strongly that the cause of the crash was an ATC who was a DEI hire.

Who got the FAA director to resign?

Elon Musk.

Who terrorized federal workers for a week before this?

Elon Musk

Who fired the FAA safety advisory board?

Elon Musk/Trump

None of this has anything to do with the crash. And firing members of commissions and advisory boards is standard for administrations.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone hate her? There is no indication that this was intentional.

Because their wife and only child died because of either her deliberate act or gross incompetence?

There is no indication of either of those.

Why are you jumping to conclusions without any evidence?

We don't know who in the helo was responsible, but we do know they acted recklessly.