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Anonymous wrote:I'd like to know what sort of surveillance and control will be implemented for this to happen

If ever there were two men who looked like they only wanted the babies to live long enough so they could eat them.

“If Roe is overturned, there’s already a criminal ban, there’s already an aiding and abetting ban, there’s already a ban on mailing medication abortion,” Sepper said. “In terms of law’s ability to change behavior, they’ve almost filled all the gaps — with the exception of criminalizing the pregnant person involved in an abortion.”

Folks, this will not get any better until the mainstream media starts asking Republicans, repeatedly, if *a woman who gets an abortion* should be charged with murder. The fact they consistently let Republicans slide on this crucial point is completely mystifying to me. When Republicans have to repeatedly go on record saying they are comfortable with the death penalty for women who get abortions—including rape victims—then and only then will things change.

I know there are journalists in the forum. Why do you continue to carry water for GOP? Do your frigging job!

Because they’re stupid, bad at their jobs and enjoy power. That’s literally the only conclusion. The “mainstream” media has gotten dumber and more right wing, like there’s some sort of brain disease spreading amongst them that makes them incredibly lazy and unwilling to crawl up a rapepublican’s butt - but more than willing to talk about absolute nonsense for weeks if it’s bad for Democrats.

This will send us back to the 1800s. I don’t understand why more people aren’t alarmed.

This. We’ve been talking about this for days and still basic errors and lack of understanding regarding the significance of the potential holding in the major papers. And they’re obsessing over the protests (which I don’t support) instead of the fear that women are feeling.

Correct for my tone here because I’m terrible at conveying messages in the right tone and I do not mean this to be hostile in the least, but look at your bolded sentence and tell me that the finger wagging patriarchy doesn’t still live a little inside your head (as it does in almost everyone’s to some degree). These “justices” - and they’re not that anymore, are they? They’re Talibangelicals on a Christianist Sharia tribunal - are literally about to make women slaves. They have affirmed the right to harass women at clinics, they have affirmed the right for forced birthers to harass clinic employees at their homes and they know full well how much violence forced birthers have commit.

The people (women) bringing the noise to these wastrels’ homes are fighting the good fight and I applaud them.

Sorry, I don’t support picketing federal judges homes. Demonstrate somewhere else. This is how civil societies die. And it’s a distraction from the story.

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Anonymous wrote:This is such a depressing thread. That a group of men (and one loony woman) have the right to take all American women's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion to end an unwanted pregnancy is horrifying. But here we are in 2022, and men are still calling the shots, controlling women.

Because women time and time again vote against their OWN interest. The interest of women.
Yeah, you have some who LOVE this ruling, but the majority don't. But I bet my bottom dollar that come november they will vote an R just like always and say it is becasue of taxes (though Rs want to raise middle class tax) or small business (yet Rs haven't done crap for small business) or education (Rs want to get rid of books that make moms have difficult convos with their kids) or some other BS story the Rs will push on them and they will vote to protect themselves from the 'big bad boogie man' that doesn't exist all the while letting the wolf into their homes and bedrooms without batting an eye.

This reminds me of a cartoon i love. It is an axe asking the forest to vote for him to be ruler because he is just like them, made of WOOD! He would never do anything to hurt them. He is just like them!!

Why should we still have to vote to fight for our human rights? The politicization of abortion is the problem. It should be standard healthcare. I’m a white woman and I have voted Democrat in every election of my life. What has it gotten me? What else can I do?

This is where I am. WHAT.DO.I.DO???? I"m not rich. I donate to the orgs, the candidates. I vote. I share information?
Where has that gotten me when a bunch of white dudes, and a woman-hating woman, can just snap away 50 years of precedent that has been reaffirmed many times over. The original Roe opinion was penned by a NIXON appointee, FFS.

Why are my human rights up for a vote? Up for a discussion about whether I'm entitled to them? WHy am I now demoted to little more than the worth of my uterus?

Talk to the men and women in your lives still voting for Republicans. They probably are at your dinner table every holiday.

That's the work that needs to happen. As a man, I promise you that men do not spend more than a moment's fleeting thought on abortion. They probably have no idea how many women in their lives have had an abortion. Vast majority of men have no clue that these laws in the South will criminalize IVF and abortions needed by women in danger (fetal abnormalities not compatible with life, miscarriages).

Men simply DO NOT KNOW. They are not curious enough to care, UNTIL it affects someone in their own life (wife, mother, sister, daughter). That's the sad reality. If you've had an abortion, you absolutely need to let the men in your life know.

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This. More women need to open about the the impact that their pregnancies, taken to term or otherwise, have had on their lives. Tired of old men talking about hypotheticals instead the real lived experience of women. It makes me utterly sick with rage. My son and husband have heard a lot more about my body in recent weeks. I’m not holding back. Privacy my ass, basic freedom to receive healthcare more like it.

Anonymous wrote:This is a leftist death porn fantasy. Not even a Catholic hospital would refuse surgery in this case And no, the Irish case is not a good example […]

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Anonymous wrote:This is such a depressing thread. That a group of men (and one loony woman) have the right to take all American women's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion to end an unwanted pregnancy is horrifying. But here we are in 2022, and men are still calling the shots, controlling women.

Because women time and time again vote against their OWN interest. The interest of women.
Yeah, you have some who LOVE this ruling, but the majority don't. But I bet my bottom dollar that come november they will vote an R just like always and say it is becasue of taxes (though Rs want to raise middle class tax) or small business (yet Rs haven't done crap for small business) or education (Rs want to get rid of books that make moms have difficult convos with their kids) or some other BS story the Rs will push on them and they will vote to protect themselves from the 'big bad boogie man' that doesn't exist all the while letting the wolf into their homes and bedrooms without batting an eye.

This reminds me of a cartoon i love. It is an axe asking the forest to vote for him to be ruler because he is just like them, made of WOOD! He would never do anything to hurt them. He is just like them!!

Why should we still have to vote to fight for our human rights? The politicization of abortion is the problem. It should be standard healthcare. I’m a white woman and I have voted Democrat in every election of my life. What has it gotten me? What else can I do?

This is where I am. WHAT.DO.I.DO???? I"m not rich. I donate to the orgs, the candidates. I vote. I share information?
Where has that gotten me when a bunch of white dudes, and a woman-hating woman, can just snap away 50 years of precedent that has been reaffirmed many times over. The original Roe opinion was penned by a NIXON appointee, FFS.

Why are my human rights up for a vote? Up for a discussion about whether I'm entitled to them? WHy am I now demoted to little more than the worth of my uterus?

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Anonymous wrote:I'd like to know what sort of surveillance and control will be implemented for this to happen

If ever there were two men who looked like they only wanted the babies to live long enough so they could eat them.

“If Roe is overturned, there’s already a criminal ban, there’s already an aiding and abetting ban, there’s already a ban on mailing medication abortion,” Sepper said. “In terms of law’s ability to change behavior, they’ve almost filled all the gaps — with the exception of criminalizing the pregnant person involved in an abortion.”

Folks, this will not get any better until the mainstream media starts asking Republicans, repeatedly, if *a woman who gets an abortion* should be charged with murder. The fact they consistently let Republicans slide on this crucial point is completely mystifying to me. When Republicans have to repeatedly go on record saying they are comfortable with the death penalty for women who get abortions—including rape victims—then and only then will things change.

I know there are journalists in the forum. Why do you continue to carry water for GOP? Do your frigging job!

Because they’re stupid, bad at their jobs and enjoy power. That’s literally the only conclusion. The “mainstream” media has gotten dumber and more right wing, like there’s some sort of brain disease spreading amongst them that makes them incredibly lazy and unwilling to crawl up a rapepublican’s butt - but more than willing to talk about absolute nonsense for weeks if it’s bad for Democrats.

This will send us back to the 1800s. I don’t understand why more people aren’t alarmed.

This. We’ve been talking about this for days and still basic errors and lack of understanding regarding the significance of the potential holding in the major papers. And they’re obsessing over the protests (which I don’t support) instead of the fear that women are feeling.

Correct for my tone here because I’m terrible at conveying messages in the right tone and I do not mean this to be hostile in the least, but look at your bolded sentence and tell me that the finger wagging patriarchy doesn’t still live a little inside your head (as it does in almost everyone’s to some degree). These “justices” - and they’re not that anymore, are they? They’re Talibangelicals on a Christianist Sharia tribunal - are literally about to make women slaves. They have affirmed the right to harass women at clinics, they have affirmed the right for forced birthers to harass clinic employees at their homes and they know full well how much violence forced birthers have commit.

The people (women) bringing the noise to these wastrels’ homes are fighting the good fight and I applaud them.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd like to know what sort of surveillance and control will be implemented for this to happen

If ever there were two men who looked like they only wanted the babies to live long enough so they could eat them.

“If Roe is overturned, there’s already a criminal ban, there’s already an aiding and abetting ban, there’s already a ban on mailing medication abortion,” Sepper said. “In terms of law’s ability to change behavior, they’ve almost filled all the gaps — with the exception of criminalizing the pregnant person involved in an abortion.”

Folks, this will not get any better until the mainstream media starts asking Republicans, repeatedly, if *a woman who gets an abortion* should be charged with murder. The fact they consistently let Republicans slide on this crucial point is completely mystifying to me. When Republicans have to repeatedly go on record saying they are comfortable with the death penalty for women who get abortions—including rape victims—then and only then will things change.

I know there are journalists in the forum. Why do you continue to carry water for GOP? Do your frigging job!

Because they’re stupid, bad at their jobs and enjoy power. That’s literally the only conclusion. The “mainstream” media has gotten dumber and more right wing, like there’s some sort of brain disease spreading amongst them that makes them incredibly lazy and unwilling to crawl up a rapepublican’s butt - but more than willing to talk about absolute nonsense for weeks if it’s bad for Democrats.

This will send us back to the 1800s. I don’t understand why more people aren’t alarmed.

This. We’ve been talking about this for days and still basic errors and lack of understanding regarding the significance of the potential holding in the major papers. And they’re obsessing over the protests (which I don’t support) instead of the fear that women are feeling.

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Anonymous wrote:This is such a depressing thread. That a group of men (and one loony woman) have the right to take all American women's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion to end an unwanted pregnancy is horrifying. But here we are in 2022, and men are still calling the shots, controlling women.

Because women time and time again vote against their OWN interest. The interest of women.
Yeah, you have some who LOVE this ruling, but the majority don't. But I bet my bottom dollar that come november they will vote an R just like always and say it is becasue of taxes (though Rs want to raise middle class tax) or small business (yet Rs haven't done crap for small business) or education (Rs want to get rid of books that make moms have difficult convos with their kids) or some other BS story the Rs will push on them and they will vote to protect themselves from the 'big bad boogie man' that doesn't exist all the while letting the wolf into their homes and bedrooms without batting an eye.

This reminds me of a cartoon i love. It is an axe asking the forest to vote for him to be ruler because he is just like them, made of WOOD! He would never do anything to hurt them. He is just like them!!

Why should we still have to vote to fight for our human rights? The politicization of abortion is the problem. It should be standard healthcare. I’m a white woman and I have voted Democrat in every election of my life. What has it gotten me? What else can I do?

This is where I am. WHAT.DO.I.DO???? I"m not rich. I donate to the orgs, the candidates. I vote. I share information?
Where has that gotten me when a bunch of white dudes, and a woman-hating woman, can just snap away 50 years of precedent that has been reaffirmed many times over. The original Roe opinion was penned by a NIXON appointee, FFS.

Why are my human rights up for a vote? Up for a discussion about whether I'm entitled to them? WHy am I now demoted to little more than the worth of my uterus?

Talk to the men and women in your lives still voting for Republicans. They probably are at your dinner table every holiday.

That's the work that needs to happen. As a man, I promise you that men do not spend more than a moment's fleeting thought on abortion. They probably have no idea how many women in their lives have had an abortion. Vast majority of men have no clue that these laws in the South will criminalize IVF and abortions needed by women in danger (fetal abnormalities not compatible with life, miscarriages).

Men simply DO NOT KNOW. They are not curious enough to care, UNTIL it affects someone in their own life (wife, mother, sister, daughter). That's the sad reality. If you've had an abortion, you absolutely need to let the men in your life know.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:This is such a depressing thread. That a group of men (and one loony woman) have the right to take all American women's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion to end an unwanted pregnancy is horrifying. But here we are in 2022, and men are still calling the shots, controlling women.

Because women time and time again vote against their OWN interest. The interest of women.
Yeah, you have some who LOVE this ruling, but the majority don't. But I bet my bottom dollar that come november they will vote an R just like always and say it is becasue of taxes (though Rs want to raise middle class tax) or small business (yet Rs haven't done crap for small business) or education (Rs want to get rid of books that make moms have difficult convos with their kids) or some other BS story the Rs will push on them and they will vote to protect themselves from the 'big bad boogie man' that doesn't exist all the while letting the wolf into their homes and bedrooms without batting an eye.

This reminds me of a cartoon i love. It is an axe asking the forest to vote for him to be ruler because he is just like them, made of WOOD! He would never do anything to hurt them. He is just like them!!

Why should we still have to vote to fight for our human rights? The politicization of abortion is the problem. It should be standard healthcare. I’m a white woman and I have voted Democrat in every election of my life. What has it gotten me? What else can I do?

This is where I am. WHAT.DO.I.DO???? I"m not rich. I donate to the orgs, the candidates. I vote. I share information?
Where has that gotten me when a bunch of white dudes, and a woman-hating woman, can just snap away 50 years of precedent that has been reaffirmed many times over. The original Roe opinion was penned by a NIXON appointee, FFS.

Why are my human rights up for a vote? Up for a discussion about whether I'm entitled to them? WHy am I now demoted to little more than the worth of my uterus?

Talk to the men and women in your lives still voting for Republicans. They probably are at your dinner table every holiday.

That's the work that needs to happen. As a man, I promise you that men do not spend more than a moment's fleeting thought on abortion. They probably have no idea how many women in their lives have had an abortion. Vast majority of men have no clue that these laws in the South will criminalize IVF and abortions needed by women in danger (fetal abnormalities not compatible with life, miscarriages).

Men simply DO NOT KNOW. They are not curious enough to care, UNTIL it affects someone in their own life (wife, mother, sister, daughter). That's the sad reality. If you've had an abortion, you absolutely need to let the men in your life know.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:This is such a depressing thread. That a group of men (and one loony woman) have the right to take all American women's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion to end an unwanted pregnancy is horrifying. But here we are in 2022, and men are still calling the shots, controlling women.

Because women time and time again vote against their OWN interest. The interest of women.
Yeah, you have some who LOVE this ruling, but the majority don't. But I bet my bottom dollar that come november they will vote an R just like always and say it is becasue of taxes (though Rs want to raise middle class tax) or small business (yet Rs haven't done crap for small business) or education (Rs want to get rid of books that make moms have difficult convos with their kids) or some other BS story the Rs will push on them and they will vote to protect themselves from the 'big bad boogie man' that doesn't exist all the while letting the wolf into their homes and bedrooms without batting an eye.

This reminds me of a cartoon i love. It is an axe asking the forest to vote for him to be ruler because he is just like them, made of WOOD! He would never do anything to hurt them. He is just like them!!

Why should we still have to vote to fight for our human rights? The politicization of abortion is the problem. It should be standard healthcare. I’m a white woman and I have voted Democrat in every election of my life. What has it gotten me? What else can I do?

This is where I am. WHAT.DO.I.DO???? I"m not rich. I donate to the orgs, the candidates. I vote. I share information?
Where has that gotten me when a bunch of white dudes, and a woman-hating woman, can just snap away 50 years of precedent that has been reaffirmed many times over. The original Roe opinion was penned by a NIXON appointee, FFS.

Why are my human rights up for a vote? Up for a discussion about whether I'm entitled to them? WHy am I now demoted to little more than the worth of my uterus?

Talk to the men and women in your lives still voting for Republicans. They probably are at your dinner table every holiday.

That's the work that needs to happen. As a man, I promise you that men do not spend more than a moment's fleeting thought on abortion. They probably have no idea how many women in their lives have had an abortion. Vast majority of men have no clue that these laws in the South will criminalize IVF and abortions needed by women in danger (fetal abnormalities not compatible with life, miscarriages).

Men simply DO NOT KNOW. They are not curious enough to care, UNTIL it affects someone in their own life (wife, mother, sister, daughter). That's the sad reality. If you've had an abortion, you absolutely need to let the men in your life know.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd like to know what sort of surveillance and control will be implemented for this to happen

If ever there were two men who looked like they only wanted the babies to live long enough so they could eat them.

“If Roe is overturned, there’s already a criminal ban, there’s already an aiding and abetting ban, there’s already a ban on mailing medication abortion,” Sepper said. “In terms of law’s ability to change behavior, they’ve almost filled all the gaps — with the exception of criminalizing the pregnant person involved in an abortion.”

Folks, this will not get any better until the mainstream media starts asking Republicans, repeatedly, if *a woman who gets an abortion* should be charged with murder. The fact they consistently let Republicans slide on this crucial point is completely mystifying to me. When Republicans have to repeatedly go on record saying they are comfortable with the death penalty for women who get abortions—including rape victims—then and only then will things change.

I know there are journalists in the forum. Why do you continue to carry water for GOP? Do your frigging job!

Because they’re stupid, bad at their jobs and enjoy power. That’s literally the only conclusion. The “mainstream” media has gotten dumber and more right wing, like there’s some sort of brain disease spreading amongst them that makes them incredibly lazy and unwilling to crawl up a rapepublican’s butt - but more than willing to talk about absolute nonsense for weeks if it’s bad for Democrats.

This will send us back to the 1800s. I don’t understand why more people aren’t alarmed.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is such a depressing thread. That a group of men (and one loony woman) have the right to take all American women's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion to end an unwanted pregnancy is horrifying. But here we are in 2022, and men are still calling the shots, controlling women.

Because women time and time again vote against their OWN interest. The interest of women.
Yeah, you have some who LOVE this ruling, but the majority don't. But I bet my bottom dollar that come november they will vote an R just like always and say it is becasue of taxes (though Rs want to raise middle class tax) or small business (yet Rs haven't done crap for small business) or education (Rs want to get rid of books that make moms have difficult convos with their kids) or some other BS story the Rs will push on them and they will vote to protect themselves from the 'big bad boogie man' that doesn't exist all the while letting the wolf into their homes and bedrooms without batting an eye.

This reminds me of a cartoon i love. It is an axe asking the forest to vote for him to be ruler because he is just like them, made of WOOD! He would never do anything to hurt them. He is just like them!!

Why should we still have to vote to fight for our human rights? The politicization of abortion is the problem. It should be standard healthcare. I’m a white woman and I have voted Democrat in every election of my life. What has it gotten me? What else can I do?

This is where I am. WHAT.DO.I.DO???? I"m not rich. I donate to the orgs, the candidates. I vote. I share information?
Where has that gotten me when a bunch of white dudes, and a woman-hating woman, can just snap away 50 years of precedent that has been reaffirmed many times over. The original Roe opinion was penned by a NIXON appointee, FFS.

Why are my human rights up for a vote? Up for a discussion about whether I'm entitled to them? WHy am I now demoted to little more than the worth of my uterus?

Anonymous wrote:What really pisses me off is the complete lack of acknowledgment by anti-abortionists that every pregnancy is a potential threat to a woman's health and life. Every single one. Doesn't matter how healthy you are, how well your pregnancy is going. Pregnancy can kill or maim you anyway, in a flash, as one of my friends who died immediately after giving birth after having an uneventful pregnancy. And it can and will alter your body forever. And it can leave you in a state of mental dysfunction, serious depression and even psychosis. And it can lead to problems down the road such as diabetes.

And it is because of all this that pregnancy is a special case when it comes to talking about rights. Women have the right not to be forced to go through a process that can kill them or damage them permanently. Their bodies matter.

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Anonymous wrote:How can you use my body against my will?
I just don't get how this is not a right to life.
There are many amendments which state that power can NOT be taken away from the people unless the state has a compelling reason to do so. A bunch of old white men have never been compelling.

This is why so much abortion law rests on viability and/or the definition of when life begins. The compelling interest question is because a potential life is involved.

That being said, I think that the Alito draft is much more radical in that it creates an extremely narrow definition of what rights are guaranteed by the US Constitution. It's possible that many of the bills that will go into affect if Roe is overturned will be successfully challenged in state supreme courts...but it'll be a state-by-state question. I have no idea what happens if a federal ban gets passed and a state supreme court says it violates the state constitution. I think it reverts back to SCOTUS.

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Anonymous wrote:This is such a depressing thread. That a group of men (and one loony woman) have the right to take all American women's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion to end an unwanted pregnancy is horrifying. But here we are in 2022, and men are still calling the shots, controlling women.

Because women time and time again vote against their OWN interest. The interest of women.
Yeah, you have some who LOVE this ruling, but the majority don't. But I bet my bottom dollar that come november they will vote an R just like always and say it is becasue of taxes (though Rs want to raise middle class tax) or small business (yet Rs haven't done crap for small business) or education (Rs want to get rid of books that make moms have difficult convos with their kids) or some other BS story the Rs will push on them and they will vote to protect themselves from the 'big bad boogie man' that doesn't exist all the while letting the wolf into their homes and bedrooms without batting an eye.

This reminds me of a cartoon i love. It is an axe asking the forest to vote for him to be ruler because he is just like them, made of WOOD! He would never do anything to hurt them. He is just like them!!

Why should we still have to vote to fight for our human rights? The politicization of abortion is the problem. It should be standard healthcare. I’m a white woman and I have voted Democrat in every election of my life. What has it gotten me? What else can I do?

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Anonymous wrote:You need to win the slogan war:

Women's Lives Matter
Mothers' Freedom to Live
Born an Orphan

Republicans are so much better at winning the sound-byte war and turning votes because they focus on the extreme cases that make a law while ignoring the run of the mill.

Democrats won the messaging war in Florida labeling the parental bill the "Don't Say Gay" bill. They need to focus on the visceral message to label this action. It has to have a grain of truth, it doesn't have to be completely accurate.

Flip the script - “Abortion Saves Lives”