Um, have you heard of the patriarchy? An arrangement that allowed economic and hence social power to be concentrated in the hands of men and withheld from women? Men have choices whether to do this or that traditionally, and women don’t. Old patterns are hard to change.

Anonymous wrote:Long story short, we are mid-40s. Wife is quite distant, intimacy has struggled for years. She has finally said it's just that she wants to be alone, she's spent two decades being tethered to the kids, putting her career on hold while mine soared, etc. She's ready to live for her. I asked her is she is leaving me, she said she is considering moving out.

I know the obvious answer is "affair" and of course it could be but it doesn't feel like it.

What's the future? Do I do the 180? Fight for her? It's hard to fight for someone who doesn't really want to be with you.

Thanks, could use some real insight.

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Anonymous wrote:If you love her, fight like hell for her. Give her space but also step up to add more joy to her life. Give to her what she’s provided foe 2 decades.

I’m nervous for you that this is t obvious.

This. OP, try your best to give her a break from all the work of maintaining a home and raising kids. TAKE CARE OF HER for a change. Get marriage counseling. You don't get it if you jump to the conclusion that it must be an affair.

Anonymous wrote:What are you confused about exactly? Sounds like she explained it pretty well.

And I don't know why you think "the obvious answer is affair". The obvious answer to me is that you're selfish and she's sick of it.

Anonymous wrote:Long story short, we are mid-40s. Wife is quite distant, intimacy has struggled for years. She has finally said it's just that she wants to be alone, she's spent two decades being tethered to the kids, putting her career on hold while mine soared, etc. She's ready to live for her. I asked her is she is leaving me, she said she is considering moving out.

I know the obvious answer is "affair" and of course it could be but it doesn't feel like it.

What's the future? Do I do the 180? Fight for her? It's hard to fight for someone who doesn't really want to be with you.

Thanks, could use some real insight.

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Anonymous wrote:She is tired. She is tired of having everyone depend on her and doing everything - not just physical labor but being the emotional backbone of the family. She is just tired.
Maybe she is having an affair, maybe not. This didn't pop up from nowhere, there had to be signs that you missed. Did she try to talk to you about stuff or have you take an interest and you ignored? Did she ask you to be involved in decisions like camps or schools and you acted uninterested? (I am totally projecting here)
She has one foot out the door. Give her time to explore herself and some freedom to have fun. Do not make this about you.

OP here, thanks for this and a lot of other replies. Yes, she does try to get me involved in decisions like camps and schools and the day to day and I will admit I fall short on those things more from a logistics standpoint - she will schedule a tour of a school or camp or activity but without notice to me my work schedule is packed and I can't make those things on 48 hours notice.

If I am accused of letting her handle the vast majority of the mental parenting load, I plead guilty. She has been a rock star in that regard and I tell her how much I appreciate what she's done.

We had a talk last night based on some advice given here. She said she's tired of the hampsterwheel and wants off. She also said something I found very hurtful: that my contribution doesn't feel equal to hers since most of what I do is professional and "you would have done that anyway" meaning it wasn't a sacrifice for her or the family. Again, totally wounding because it's completely untrue, I put in an enormous effort and reached a very high pinnacle of success professionally that I simply wouldn't have needed to do if I was only looking after me.

Thanks for all the feedback, it's helpful to hear perspectives that seem to match hers.

No but here’s the thing, from her perspective: your “sacrifice” working harder than you otherwise would have without a family has brought you acclaim, status, and satisfaction. Her sacrifice has brought her the opposite.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like she regrets her life choices (even though, at the time they were her choices). Or she is wondering what could have been or could still be.

It must be very unsettling for you, because you cannot relate. But I think you have to be patient. She has the right to figure out the next phase of her life.

Perhaps tell her that you are scared, but hope you two have a future together. Describe the happy memories you hope to make with her (and if they don't include things she would enjoy, or you don't know what she would enjoy, then that says something right there). Good luck to you both.

This! Women should really think about whether they want kids or not because it totally changes your life. Your former life will cease to exist. Sounds like she should have chosen the childfree life but what is done is done. The kids needs should come first. Both of you need to fix this or your kids will be forever affected.

Anonymous wrote:He sounds half out the door as well. He cites lack of intimacy for years but no efforts to reconnect.

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Most men aren't zipping up dinners, calling girl scout leader, and signing up for camps online. Most parenting falls on the mother. She can, and should however, delegate to you more "defined tasks." Maybe you can take ownership over washing dishes, emptying dishwasher, washing towels, and on weekends, driving around kids while she quarterbacks.

Incredibly dumb and condescending.

I am a man and I do ALL the parenting, period. Oh yeah, and I also do the cooking, the dishwasher, the laundry, and driving kids around on weekends. It really isn’t that hard. All this prima donna whining about “emotional labor” and uncompensated work at home is an effort to guilt trip men and should be ignored.

Well, are you a single dad? Or do you need to discuss with your spouse a more appropriate division of labor?

DP. I'd still like an answer to this, for the sake of understanding generalizability.

"I am a man" PP -- are you a man married to a woman without significant mental or physical disabilities, and this is your division of labor? Or are you effectively kind of forced into it, because there is nothing else you can do about it right now?

If it really were not "that hard," I'd be surprised that few men who could be stepping up to the plate, don't. If it doesn't take a lot of energy or time on top of an otherwise busy life, we shouldn't be seeing parents who don't automatically chip in and do it,a s part of being partners and full parents. But we don't.

Um, have you heard of the patriarchy? An arrangement that allowed economic and hence social power to be concentrated in the hands of men and withheld from women? Men have choices whether to do this or that traditionally, and women don’t. Old patterns are hard to change.

Nothing is “that hard.” It’s just work like everything else. My husband does everything you don’t need a uterus for, including most cooking, laundry, dishes, groceries and household shopping, etc. He helped with night parenting and does mornings with the kids. His salary is double mine but our agreement from the start was that we both want our careers and having a family requires all hands on deck. I do a lot of household/family management work, child development and education, necessary research and planning that he does not, hence why he takes over many routinized tasks.

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Most men aren't zipping up dinners, calling girl scout leader, and signing up for camps online. Most parenting falls on the mother. She can, and should however, delegate to you more "defined tasks." Maybe you can take ownership over washing dishes, emptying dishwasher, washing towels, and on weekends, driving around kids while she quarterbacks.

Incredibly dumb and condescending.

I am a man and I do ALL the parenting, period. Oh yeah, and I also do the cooking, the dishwasher, the laundry, and driving kids around on weekends. It really isn’t that hard. All this prima donna whining about “emotional labor” and uncompensated work at home is an effort to guilt trip men and should be ignored.

Well, are you a single dad? Or do you need to discuss with your spouse a more appropriate division of labor?

DP. I'd still like an answer to this, for the sake of understanding generalizability.

"I am a man" PP -- are you a man married to a woman without significant mental or physical disabilities, and this is your division of labor? Or are you effectively kind of forced into it, because there is nothing else you can do about it right now?

If it really were not "that hard," I'd be surprised that few men who could be stepping up to the plate, don't. If it doesn't take a lot of energy or time on top of an otherwise busy life, we shouldn't be seeing parents who don't automatically chip in and do it,a s part of being partners and full parents. But we don't.

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Most men aren't zipping up dinners, calling girl scout leader, and signing up for camps online. Most parenting falls on the mother. She can, and should however, delegate to you more "defined tasks." Maybe you can take ownership over washing dishes, emptying dishwasher, washing towels, and on weekends, driving around kids while she quarterbacks.

Incredibly dumb and condescending.

I am a man and I do ALL the parenting, period. Oh yeah, and I also do the cooking, the dishwasher, the laundry, and driving kids around on weekends. It really isn’t that hard. All this prima donna whining about “emotional labor” and uncompensated work at home is an effort to guilt trip men and should be ignored.

Well, are you a single dad? Or do you need to discuss with your spouse a more appropriate division of labor?