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Anonymous wrote:Let me put it like this. I believe it's good that people condemn Nazis and condemn people who celebrate Nazis. I don't like that people celebrate antebellum Southerners, and I don't understand how people who hate Nazis can embrace Southerners. For me, the reason the two should be condemned in no uncertain terms is because they engaged in horrific acts against other humans.

I think my disconnect is that people appreciate the evil that was done to Jewish people by Nazis but, somehow, they don't see what was done to black people in the South as being quite as bad. I'm not trying to turn this into a competition. But I can't see how what was done to the slaves was a lesser evil than what was done to the Jews.

So, you get people like OP who just sees the antebellum South as people in pretty clothes. I think that's because he doesn't internalize slavery as being century after unrelenting century of torture, rape, murder, kidnapping, and brutalization from cradle to grave.

+1. Hitler made his regime study what was being done to Black people in the Jim Crow South to better inform them how to deal with Jewish people.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/
https://billmoyers.com/story/hitler-america-nazi-race-law/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler
https://time.com/4703586/nazis-america-race-law/

In terms of timelines, Kristallnacht (1938) wasn't really all that far removed from Appomattox (1865). At any rate, they're closer to each other than to the present day.

In terms of world historical change over that short period compared to now, you are living a life a lot more like an average 1938 German than an 1865 Southerner.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me put it like this. I believe it's good that people condemn Nazis and condemn people who celebrate Nazis. I don't like that people celebrate antebellum Southerners, and I don't understand how people who hate Nazis can embrace Southerners. For me, the reason the two should be condemned in no uncertain terms is because they engaged in horrific acts against other humans.

I think my disconnect is that people appreciate the evil that was done to Jewish people by Nazis but, somehow, they don't see what was done to black people in the South as being quite as bad. I'm not trying to turn this into a competition. But I can't see how what was done to the slaves was a lesser evil than what was done to the Jews.

So, you get people like OP who just sees the antebellum South as people in pretty clothes. I think that's because he doesn't internalize slavery as being century after unrelenting century of torture, rape, murder, kidnapping, and brutalization from cradle to grave.

+1. Hitler made his regime study what was being done to Black people in the Jim Crow South to better inform them how to deal with Jewish people.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/
https://billmoyers.com/story/hitler-america-nazi-race-law/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler
https://time.com/4703586/nazis-america-race-law/

In terms of timelines, Kristallnacht (1938) wasn't really all that far removed from Appomattox (1865). At any rate, they're closer to each other than to the present day.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me put it like this. I believe it's good that people condemn Nazis and condemn people who celebrate Nazis. I don't like that people celebrate antebellum Southerners, and I don't understand how people who hate Nazis can embrace Southerners. For me, the reason the two should be condemned in no uncertain terms is because they engaged in horrific acts against other humans.

I think my disconnect is that people appreciate the evil that was done to Jewish people by Nazis but, somehow, they don't see what was done to black people in the South as being quite as bad. I'm not trying to turn this into a competition. But I can't see how what was done to the slaves was a lesser evil than what was done to the Jews.

So, you get people like OP who just sees the antebellum South as people in pretty clothes. I think that's because he doesn't internalize slavery as being century after unrelenting century of torture, rape, murder, kidnapping, and brutalization from cradle to grave.

+1. Hitler made his regime study what was being done to Black people in the Jim Crow South to better inform them how to deal with Jewish people.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/
https://billmoyers.com/story/hitler-america-nazi-race-law/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler
https://time.com/4703586/nazis-america-race-law/

Anonymous wrote:Nazis suck.
Rich Southern plantation owners suck.

German population that stood by and watched the holocaust happen?
Southern population that stood by and watched slavery happen?

Anonymous wrote:Nazis suck.
Rich Southern plantation owners suck.

German population that stood by and watched the holocaust happen?
Southern population that stood by and watched slavery happen?

Anonymous wrote:Let me put it like this. I believe it's good that people condemn Nazis and condemn people who celebrate Nazis. I don't like that people celebrate antebellum Southerners, and I don't understand how people who hate Nazis can embrace Southerners. For me, the reason the two should be condemned in no uncertain terms is because they engaged in horrific acts against other humans.

I think my disconnect is that people appreciate the evil that was done to Jewish people by Nazis but, somehow, they don't see what was done to black people in the South as being quite as bad. I'm not trying to turn this into a competition. But I can't see how what was done to the slaves was a lesser evil than what was done to the Jews.

So, you get people like OP who just sees the antebellum South as people in pretty clothes. I think that's because he doesn't internalize slavery as being century after unrelenting century of torture, rape, murder, kidnapping, and brutalization from cradle to grave.

Anonymous wrote:Let me put it like this. I believe it's good that people condemn Nazis and condemn people who celebrate Nazis. I don't like that people celebrate antebellum Southerners, and I don't understand how people who hate Nazis can embrace Southerners. For me, the reason the two should be condemned in no uncertain terms is because they engaged in horrific acts against other humans.

I think my disconnect is that people appreciate the evil that was done to Jewish people by Nazis but, somehow, they don't see what was done to black people in the South as being quite as bad. I'm not trying to turn this into a competition. But I can't see how what was done to the slaves was a lesser evil than what was done to the Jews.

So, you get people like OP who just sees the antebellum South as people in pretty clothes. I think that's because he doesn't internalize slavery as being century after unrelenting century of torture, rape, murder, kidnapping, and brutalization from cradle to grave.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the point in ranking atrocities? Don’t celebrate a lifestyle made possible by slavery. Don’t celebrate people who tried to exterminate others. Basically, don’t cosplay perpetrators of crimes against humanity.

Attempting to drive a wedge between different populations that have been brutally victimized and oppressed is shameful. Stop it.

The point is to make it clear that celebrating the South is every bit as offensive as celebrating Nazi Germany. That's not really a notion that's sunk in. And I think it's because people somehow think the Nazis were worse than the slavers.

So your tactic to make that point is to minimize the Holocaust?

Calling the Holocaust horrific isn't minimizing it.

Delude yourself all you want. But we all saw what you did.

We did?

We did

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:What is the point in ranking atrocities? Don’t celebrate a lifestyle made possible by slavery. Don’t celebrate people who tried to exterminate others. Basically, don’t cosplay perpetrators of crimes against humanity.

Attempting to drive a wedge between different populations that have been brutally victimized and oppressed is shameful. Stop it.

The point is to make it clear that celebrating the South is every bit as offensive as celebrating Nazi Germany. That's not really a notion that's sunk in. And I think it's because people somehow think the Nazis were worse than the slavers.

You have not made that point clear at all. And in your failure to do so, you have offended other people, which calls into question your own ability to decide what is or isn't offensive.

There are better defensive of your position that don't involve such invidious comparisons. They were made on this very thread. Go back and read them. Please.

Do you agree that celebrating the antebellum South is equally offensive as celebrating Nazi Germany? I can't tell from your response whether we have a disagreement on the substance.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the point in ranking atrocities? Don’t celebrate a lifestyle made possible by slavery. Don’t celebrate people who tried to exterminate others. Basically, don’t cosplay perpetrators of crimes against humanity.

Attempting to drive a wedge between different populations that have been brutally victimized and oppressed is shameful. Stop it.

The point is to make it clear that celebrating the South is every bit as offensive as celebrating Nazi Germany. That's not really a notion that's sunk in. And I think it's because people somehow think the Nazis were worse than the slavers.

So your tactic to make that point is to minimize the Holocaust?

Calling the Holocaust horrific isn't minimizing it.

Delude yourself all you want. But we all saw what you did.

We did?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the point in ranking atrocities? Don’t celebrate a lifestyle made possible by slavery. Don’t celebrate people who tried to exterminate others. Basically, don’t cosplay perpetrators of crimes against humanity.

Attempting to drive a wedge between different populations that have been brutally victimized and oppressed is shameful. Stop it.

The point is to make it clear that celebrating the South is every bit as offensive as celebrating Nazi Germany. That's not really a notion that's sunk in. And I think it's because people somehow think the Nazis were worse than the slavers.

So your tactic to make that point is to minimize the Holocaust?

Calling the Holocaust horrific isn't minimizing it.

Delude yourself all you want. But we all saw what you did.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the point in ranking atrocities? Don’t celebrate a lifestyle made possible by slavery. Don’t celebrate people who tried to exterminate others. Basically, don’t cosplay perpetrators of crimes against humanity.

Attempting to drive a wedge between different populations that have been brutally victimized and oppressed is shameful. Stop it.

The point is to make it clear that celebrating the South is every bit as offensive as celebrating Nazi Germany. That's not really a notion that's sunk in. And I think it's because people somehow think the Nazis were worse than the slavers.

So your tactic to make that point is to minimize the Holocaust?

Calling the Holocaust horrific isn't minimizing it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the point in ranking atrocities? Don’t celebrate a lifestyle made possible by slavery. Don’t celebrate people who tried to exterminate others. Basically, don’t cosplay perpetrators of crimes against humanity.

Attempting to drive a wedge between different populations that have been brutally victimized and oppressed is shameful. Stop it.

The point is to make it clear that celebrating the South is every bit as offensive as celebrating Nazi Germany. That's not really a notion that's sunk in. And I think it's because people somehow think the Nazis were worse than the slavers.

You have not made that point clear at all. And in your failure to do so, you have offended other people, which calls into question your own ability to decide what is or isn't offensive.

There are better defensive of your position that don't involve such invidious comparisons. They were made on this very thread. Go back and read them. Please.