Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 10:29     Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:JFC, we are all at risk. We will take precautions. We must recognize there are public health consequences to COVID that are serious but there are also public health consequences of long term closures of schools. There is not one easy answer.



But teachers get paid in full whether schools return or not. Why would they want to go back and assume any risk at all when they can stay home, get paid, do less work, and not have to interact with your bratty kids AT ALL! Win


exactly. in phase 1 they will take their kids to play tennis. in phase 2 take them swimming and run and jump back in the car to avoid the locker rooms!. They will go to the stores and buy ALL the toilet paper from the amazing grocery store workers. They will make an appointment to get a haircut- maybe even a cute root touch up. they may even drop in target and purchase a few exercises clothes to attend zoom yoga. They will even bring their child in this summer to doctor to get a scratched checked out (I work in medicine in various facilities and in covid + rooms, Im not exaggerating on the "urgent appointments" coming in).

But PLEASE DONT ASK TEACHERS TO RETURN UNTIL THERE IS VACCINE. That would be ridiculous!


We cannot wait until a vaccine. Children need to be educated and people must work. It’s easy for you to say being in a field that is open. You have no idea what others are going through not being able to work.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 10:26     Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:JFC, we are all at risk. We will take precautions. We must recognize there are public health consequences to COVID that are serious but there are also public health consequences of long term closures of schools. There is not one easy answer.



But teachers get paid in full whether schools return or not. Why would they want to go back and assume any risk at all when they can stay home, get paid, do less work, and not have to interact with your bratty kids AT ALL! Win


exactly. in phase 1 they will take their kids to play tennis. in phase 2 take them swimming and run and jump back in the car to avoid the locker rooms!. They will go to the stores and buy ALL the toilet paper from the amazing grocery store workers. They will make an appointment to get a haircut- maybe even a cute root touch up. they may even drop in target and purchase a few exercises clothes to attend zoom yoga. They will even bring their child in this summer to doctor to get a scratched checked out (I work in medicine in various facilities and in covid + rooms, Im not exaggerating on the "urgent appointments" coming in).

But PLEASE DONT ASK TEACHERS TO RETURN UNTIL THERE IS VACCINE. That would be ridiculous!
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 10:24     Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021


But teachers get paid in full whether schools return or not. Why would they want to go back and assume any risk at all when they can stay home, get paid, do less work, and not have to interact with your bratty kids AT ALL! Win


If you believe this then you have no idea why teachers go into the profession. Although we're doing our very best to make this time of online instruction as meaningful as possible, we miss our students and want to be in the classroom with them again. Making connections with students is one of the most important aspects of our profession. Teaching and learning just aren't the same without in-person interaction. - MCPS High School Teacher
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 09:59     Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:JFC, we are all at risk. We will take precautions. We must recognize there are public health consequences to COVID that are serious but there are also public health consequences of long term closures of schools. There is not one easy answer.



But teachers get paid in full whether schools return or not. Why would they want to go back and assume any risk at all when they can stay home, get paid, do less work, and not have to interact with your bratty kids AT ALL! Win
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 09:55     Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:JFC, we are all at risk. We will take precautions. We must recognize there are public health consequences to COVID that are serious but there are also public health consequences of long term closures of schools. There is not one easy answer.



This. The public health consequences to kids from missing this much school is not at all trivial.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 09:54     Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Washington Post in their lead editorial calls for a return to school. They quote an expert who says that children have lost 9months -12 months of learning that will never be recovered.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 09:13     Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
JFC, we are all at risk. We will take precautions. We must recognize there are public health consequences to COVID that are serious but there are also public health consequences of long term closures of schools. There is not one easy answer.

Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 09:13     Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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100 teachers in New York City died after schools stayed open for weeks while COVID spread. You are literally crazy if you think this is no big deal. You see 100,000 deaths and all you can think about is how this has inconvenienced you? You need psychological help.


25 teachers, actually. 25 teachers died from covid (per family reports) between March 16, when the schools closed, and April 17.

https://www.the74million.org/article/an-unknown-theyve-never-experienced-before-as-coronavirus-death-toll-grows-among-nyc-teachers-and-staff-union-support-team-ramps-up-its-efforts/

That article is from over a month ago. You are wrong. It was 40 by mid April.


40 also isn't 100.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 09:12     Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
100 teachers in New York City died after schools stayed open for weeks while COVID spread. You are literally crazy if you think this is no big deal. You see 100,000 deaths and all you can think about is how this has inconvenienced you? You need psychological help.


25 teachers, actually. 25 teachers died from covid (per family reports) between March 16, when the schools closed, and April 17.

https://www.the74million.org/article/an-unknown-theyve-never-experienced-before-as-coronavirus-death-toll-grows-among-nyc-teachers-and-staff-union-support-team-ramps-up-its-efforts/


And how many people in other professions died? Why would teachers be at greater risk than many other professionals? Children are spread much less than adults!


In how many professions does one encounter 5 totally different groups of 30-35 people all together in a 30x40 or so room with poor ventilation and windows that open maybe 4 inches on a daily basis? This doesn’t even account for navigating hallways packed shoulder to shoulder between classes.

This is why teachers are at greater risk than most (not many) other professionals.


Why are we comparing risk of occupational exposure only among professionals?
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 09:07     Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
100 teachers in New York City died after schools stayed open for weeks while COVID spread. You are literally crazy if you think this is no big deal. You see 100,000 deaths and all you can think about is how this has inconvenienced you? You need psychological help.


25 teachers, actually. 25 teachers died from covid (per family reports) between March 16, when the schools closed, and April 17.

https://www.the74million.org/article/an-unknown-theyve-never-experienced-before-as-coronavirus-death-toll-grows-among-nyc-teachers-and-staff-union-support-team-ramps-up-its-efforts/


And how many people in other professions died? Why would teachers be at greater risk than many other professionals? Children are spread much less than adults!


In how many professions does one encounter 5 totally different groups of 30-35 people all together in a 30x40 or so room with poor ventilation and windows that open maybe 4 inches on a daily basis? This doesn’t even account for navigating hallways packed shoulder to shoulder between classes.

This is why teachers are at greater risk than most (not many) other professionals.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 08:19     Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
100 teachers in New York City died after schools stayed open for weeks while COVID spread. You are literally crazy if you think this is no big deal. You see 100,000 deaths and all you can think about is how this has inconvenienced you? You need psychological help.


25 teachers, actually. 25 teachers died from covid (per family reports) between March 16, when the schools closed, and April 17.

https://www.the74million.org/article/an-unknown-theyve-never-experienced-before-as-coronavirus-death-toll-grows-among-nyc-teachers-and-staff-union-support-team-ramps-up-its-efforts/


And how many people in other professions died? Why would teachers be at greater risk than many other professionals? Children are spread much less than adults!


Well, no. We do not have sufficient information to determine whether children spread the disease less than adults. We just don’t. Do younger and healthier people generally die less from this virus? Yes, as is true for most viruses. But knowing if kids spread it easily is key as we plan for school reopening.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 07:57     Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
100 teachers in New York City died after schools stayed open for weeks while COVID spread. You are literally crazy if you think this is no big deal. You see 100,000 deaths and all you can think about is how this has inconvenienced you? You need psychological help.


25 teachers, actually. 25 teachers died from covid (per family reports) between March 16, when the schools closed, and April 17.

https://www.the74million.org/article/an-unknown-theyve-never-experienced-before-as-coronavirus-death-toll-grows-among-nyc-teachers-and-staff-union-support-team-ramps-up-its-efforts/

That article is from over a month ago. You are wrong. It was 40 by mid April.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 07:56     Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
100 teachers in New York City died after schools stayed open for weeks while COVID spread. You are literally crazy if you think this is no big deal. You see 100,000 deaths and all you can think about is how this has inconvenienced you? You need psychological help.


25 teachers, actually. 25 teachers died from covid (per family reports) between March 16, when the schools closed, and April 17.

https://www.the74million.org/article/an-unknown-theyve-never-experienced-before-as-coronavirus-death-toll-grows-among-nyc-teachers-and-staff-union-support-team-ramps-up-its-efforts/


And how many people in other professions died? Why would teachers be at greater risk than many other professionals? Children are spread much less than adults!
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 07:53     Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This whole fiasco is like a situation where we might have had three straight months of daily two inch snowfalls. All the snowflakes would be fine with 90 straight days of no school due to snowfall.

Switch the situation to the coronavirus. No MCPD student has died or been seriously sick due to the pandemic. None. I keep hearing that children could carry it home and infect mom, dad, or grandma. Has there been any cases where that actually happened?

I suspect that this whole thing has been a huge “scared of my shadow” deal and had it not been for NYC and nursing homes we wouldn’t have missed a day of school.


So far three parents at my child’s school have died.


But that was not because school was open.


Exactly-that's terrible but unrelated to schools being open. 3 people died, who happened to be parents. Absolutely no connection to having it spread at schools since they weren't even open.

100 teachers in New York City died after schools stayed open for weeks while COVID spread. You are literally crazy if you think this is no big deal. You see 100,000 deaths and all you can think about is how this has inconvenienced you? You need psychological help.


Please stop with the hysteria and insults. Really. People can have different perspectives with how to deal with what all would agree is a terrible situation and not “need psychological help”.

What you and others are failing to recognize in your hysteria is that that while, yes, deaths from COVID are horrific, so are the inevitable consequences of social isolation, impoverishment, and mental health deterioration. Those have real consequences some people’s lives and well being - and whether or not they live at all. This isn’t about “convenience” and if that’s your myopic view would encourage you to get up to speed at the overall determinants of health in the US.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2020 07:50     Subject: The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021
Anonymous wrote:
100 teachers in New York City died after schools stayed open for weeks while COVID spread. You are literally crazy if you think this is no big deal. You see 100,000 deaths and all you can think about is how this has inconvenienced you? You need psychological help.


25 teachers, actually. 25 teachers died from covid (per family reports) between March 16, when the schools closed, and April 17.

https://www.the74million.org/article/an-unknown-theyve-never-experienced-before-as-coronavirus-death-toll-grows-among-nyc-teachers-and-staff-union-support-team-ramps-up-its-efforts/