Anonymous wrote:People can bicker all they want, but plenty of pools are starting swim team practice the day phase 2 starts. It’s scheduled, not wishful thinking.

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Anonymous wrote:An outdoor pool with limited number of users (50), who bring their own chairs, is much less of a virus vector than these other phase 2 activities: indoor gyms, salons, spas, indoor restaurants, churches, etc.

It is very frustrating that it is just easier for politicians to cancel things for kids that don't have lobbyists or bring money to the state.

Any activities that have very young kids are going to be hard to keep the kids 6' apart from others.

OK, let's just say oh it's too hard and throw our hands up. Who cares about young kids right? They don't deserve any sort of outside recreation or break from the monotony of months at home. No pools, no playgrounds, no zoo, no library, no sports, no school. All because they have no voice.

Who said your kid can’t have tons of recreation outside? Rent a boat. Go fishing. Go hiking. Play basketball or tennis. Go on a nature walk. Throw rocks into a creek. That’s different from having 30 young kids and you’re spending the entire practice saying, “too close, ella!” “Back up, Johnny!” This isn’t about trashing young kids and their interests. It’s about being able to follow guidelines. For our swim team, for example, we have 55 min practices, two coaches. No way they can spend their time ensuring the little ones are 6’ apart for the limited 55 min while also getting a decent practice in.

Gee thanks for the suggestions. We have only done all of those things (other than renting a boat... seriously?) a bunch of times already in the 80+ days at home.

Who said anything about swim team practice? I had hoped for my oldest to do swim team for the first time this year but no way that's happening even in a modified way because the youngest kids still need hands-on instruction from coaches. This is about the fact that people think that because might be hard for some little kids to social distance from other families in a 25 meter pool when using the pool recreationally, then let's just give up. Young kids aren't even allowed at pools without a parent or adult caregiver. If we are trusting adults to social distance while at a restaurant, mall, gym or hair salon (which oh by the way they almost certainly aren't, at least not perfectly), why aren't we trusting that adults supervising children at a pool can make sure their kids are following the rules?

Because the kids in my neighborhood are climbing ball over each other while the parents BS in the street. THAT'S WHY!

Sounds like you live in a neighborhood full of d-bags. That’s not happening in mine. There has been strong social pressure to adhere to the guidelines and the vast majority are. The teenagers are a much bigger issue here.

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Anonymous wrote:If kids are young enough to not be potty trained, I hope they aren't allowed in the pool this summer. Sorry, but since we know the virus can be passed through fecal matter, it's too risky.

EVERYONE can justify why this or that is vital or most important for his/her kids. Go look at some of the school forums. There are pages of arguments as to whether elementary, middle or high schools need to be in person because each one is "the most" important. It isn't easy for anyone right now. If you can't get to a pool, it isn't ideal but it isn't the end of the world either.

--I'll also add that my husband has rented a small boat lots of times to take the kids fishing.

? There are a whole bunch of us whose kids are potty trained but still young. And yeah let me go ahead and go through the requirements for being licensed to operate a boat while taking care of my kids during the day and doing my full time job at night. I have so much free time for that.

Ever heard of a paddle boat or a canoe? No license necessary.

But yeah, the summer pool daycare/baby sitting option is a much better alternative that many parents are missing this summer.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids in our neighborhood have been swimming in this filthy run off creek since the pool is closed. I can’t imagine this is better for public health than swimming in a pool with a lifeguard.

....and someone on here thought parents would be able to control their kids at the pool and keep a distance from other kids. ("Why aren't we trusting that adults supervising children at a pool can make sure their kids are following the rules?")

You have to govern to the lowest level of stupid. Hence the slow phased approach.

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Anonymous wrote:If kids are young enough to not be potty trained, I hope they aren't allowed in the pool this summer. Sorry, but since we know the virus can be passed through fecal matter, it's too risky.

EVERYONE can justify why this or that is vital or most important for his/her kids. Go look at some of the school forums. There are pages of arguments as to whether elementary, middle or high schools need to be in person because each one is "the most" important. It isn't easy for anyone right now. If you can't get to a pool, it isn't ideal but it isn't the end of the world either.

--I'll also add that my husband has rented a small boat lots of times to take the kids fishing.

? There are a whole bunch of us whose kids are potty trained but still young. And yeah let me go ahead and go through the requirements for being licensed to operate a boat while taking care of my kids during the day and doing my full time job at night. I have so much free time for that.

Anonymous wrote:If kids are young enough to not be potty trained, I hope they aren't allowed in the pool this summer. Sorry, but since we know the virus can be passed through fecal matter, it's too risky.

EVERYONE can justify why this or that is vital or most important for his/her kids. Go look at some of the school forums. There are pages of arguments as to whether elementary, middle or high schools need to be in person because each one is "the most" important. It isn't easy for anyone right now. If you can't get to a pool, it isn't ideal but it isn't the end of the world either.

--I'll also add that my husband has rented a small boat lots of times to take the kids fishing.

Anonymous wrote:Kids in our neighborhood have been swimming in this filthy run off creek since the pool is closed. I can’t imagine this is better for public health than swimming in a pool with a lifeguard.

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Anonymous wrote:An outdoor pool with limited number of users (50), who bring their own chairs, is much less of a virus vector than these other phase 2 activities: indoor gyms, salons, spas, indoor restaurants, churches, etc.

It is very frustrating that it is just easier for politicians to cancel things for kids that don't have lobbyists or bring money to the state.

Any activities that have very young kids are going to be hard to keep the kids 6' apart from others.

OK, let's just say oh it's too hard and throw our hands up. Who cares about young kids right? They don't deserve any sort of outside recreation or break from the monotony of months at home. No pools, no playgrounds, no zoo, no library, no sports, no school. All because they have no voice.

Who said your kid can’t have tons of recreation outside? Rent a boat. Go fishing. Go hiking. Play basketball or tennis. Go on a nature walk. Throw rocks into a creek. That’s different from having 30 young kids and you’re spending the entire practice saying, “too close, ella!” “Back up, Johnny!” This isn’t about trashing young kids and their interests. It’s about being able to follow guidelines. For our swim team, for example, we have 55 min practices, two coaches. No way they can spend their time ensuring the little ones are 6’ apart for the limited 55 min while also getting a decent practice in.

Gee thanks for the suggestions. We have only done all of those things (other than renting a boat... seriously?) a bunch of times already in the 80+ days at home.

Who said anything about swim team practice? I had hoped for my oldest to do swim team for the first time this year but no way that's happening even in a modified way because the youngest kids still need hands-on instruction from coaches. This is about the fact that people think that because might be hard for some little kids to social distance from other families in a 25 meter pool when using the pool recreationally, then let's just give up. Young kids aren't even allowed at pools without a parent or adult caregiver. If we are trusting adults to social distance while at a restaurant, mall, gym or hair salon (which oh by the way they almost certainly aren't, at least not perfectly), why aren't we trusting that adults supervising children at a pool can make sure their kids are following the rules?

Because the kids in my neighborhood are climbing ball over each other while the parents BS in the street. THAT'S WHY!

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Anonymous wrote:^^ It’s absurd that you think we shouldn’t give up bc it will be hard for smaller kids to keep 6’ apart. You believe that we should find a way. There is no way unless the lifeguards are watching more for social distancing than they are for safety.

It's absurd because the fear of everyone dying is long since past. Please look past dcum and try looking at any number of data sites and you will see this thing is essentially on its last legs. Phase 2 should be instituted immediately and last for 2 weeks. We should be in phase 3 by July 4 and out of it in August.

All sports should resume to their full extent after July 4. If you'd like, we can go back and forth and I will post stats and then you will insult me bc that's what this forum does.

I’m not going to insult you. It your suggested time line is not going to happen. It’s also not on its last legs.

Anonymous wrote:Kids in our neighborhood have been swimming in this filthy run off creek since the pool is closed. I can’t imagine this is better for public health than swimming in a pool with a lifeguard.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ It’s absurd that you think we shouldn’t give up bc it will be hard for smaller kids to keep 6’ apart. You believe that we should find a way. There is no way unless the lifeguards are watching more for social distancing than they are for safety.

It's absurd because the fear of everyone dying is long since past. Please look past dcum and try looking at any number of data sites and you will see this thing is essentially on its last legs. Phase 2 should be instituted immediately and last for 2 weeks. We should be in phase 3 by July 4 and out of it in August.

All sports should resume to their full extent after July 4. If you'd like, we can go back and forth and I will post stats and then you will insult me bc that's what this forum does.

I’m not going to insult you. It your suggested time line is not going to happen. It’s also not on its last legs.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ It’s absurd that you think we shouldn’t give up bc it will be hard for smaller kids to keep 6’ apart. You believe that we should find a way. There is no way unless the lifeguards are watching more for social distancing than they are for safety.

It's absurd because the fear of everyone dying is long since past. Please look past dcum and try looking at any number of data sites and you will see this thing is essentially on its last legs. Phase 2 should be instituted immediately and last for 2 weeks. We should be in phase 3 by July 4 and out of it in August.

All sports should resume to their full extent after July 4. If you'd like, we can go back and forth and I will post stats and then you will insult me bc that's what this forum does.

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Anonymous wrote:An outdoor pool with limited number of users (50), who bring their own chairs, is much less of a virus vector than these other phase 2 activities: indoor gyms, salons, spas, indoor restaurants, churches, etc.

It is very frustrating that it is just easier for politicians to cancel things for kids that don't have lobbyists or bring money to the state.

Any activities that have very young kids are going to be hard to keep the kids 6' apart from others.

OK, let's just say oh it's too hard and throw our hands up. Who cares about young kids right? They don't deserve any sort of outside recreation or break from the monotony of months at home. No pools, no playgrounds, no zoo, no library, no sports, no school. All because they have no voice.

Who said your kid can’t have tons of recreation outside? Rent a boat. Go fishing. Go hiking. Play basketball or tennis. Go on a nature walk. Throw rocks into a creek. That’s different from having 30 young kids and you’re spending the entire practice saying, “too close, ella!” “Back up, Johnny!” This isn’t about trashing young kids and their interests. It’s about being able to follow guidelines. For our swim team, for example, we have 55 min practices, two coaches. No way they can spend their time ensuring the little ones are 6’ apart for the limited 55 min while also getting a decent practice in.