Anonymous wrote:This thread is fascinating. I haven't thought about the Gosselins in a million years.

How do you know all these details? Is it in People or US Weekly?

The gag order of 10 years was lifted on Jon and he's been more vocal. He also got custody of two of the twins. They look good and very happy. Kate hid one of the boys at a mental health facility from Dad for several years. Child had a note smuggled out and it got to Dad where he was and Dad went to court and got him out.

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Anonymous wrote:I think 15 year old teenagers are old enough to decide whether they want to be filmed or not.

Yes, because 15 year olds make good decisions all the time.

There are plenty of teenage celebrities that are used to being in the spotlight. They aren't babies anymore, their dad hasn't been a part of their lives for awhile and if they are comfortable being on camera with their mom why shouldn't they be able to do so?

Jon is being vindictive at this point and just hurting Kate because he can. Ironically, Jon is the one hitting the talk shows and dishing out embarrassing little tidbits about his ex wife and his own children.

John is trying to be a parent and put the kids first. Wing on tv and no privacy is not a childhood. John has been slandered for years and under a gag order. Good for him.

Those celebrity teenagers are by choice and not 24-7 with cameras.

Jon is the one who doesn't want the kids to be on camera. The kids are clearly not the ones saying that they don't want to be on camera. As always, Jon is putting his own wants first and completely ignoring the fact that Kate and their kids are separate entities who have the right to live their own lives as they see fit.

Kate objects to Jon's attempts to control her and I can't blame her. Jon is winning on legal technicalities, not because his kids agree with a thing that he is doing to "stand up for them". Like Cara and Maddie they probably resent the heck out of their dad for intruding into their lives in such a contentious way.

Their mother is controlling their lives through money. Everything is a money grab. Dad is being a parent. He is very appropriate with his concerns.

This thread is fascinating. I haven't thought about the Gosselins in a million years.

How do you know all these details? Is it in People or US Weekly?

^And the issue was not that Kate and the Kids were filming necessarily, it was that Jon didn't get a copy of their filming schedule....which judging from his stalkeresque behavior and animosity towards Kate, I can not blame Kate for not handing him over her and the kids' itinerary.

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Anonymous wrote:I think 15 year old teenagers are old enough to decide whether they want to be filmed or not.

Yes, because 15 year olds make good decisions all the time.

There are plenty of teenage celebrities that are used to being in the spotlight. They aren't babies anymore, their dad hasn't been a part of their lives for awhile and if they are comfortable being on camera with their mom why shouldn't they be able to do so?

Jon is being vindictive at this point and just hurting Kate because he can. Ironically, Jon is the one hitting the talk shows and dishing out embarrassing little tidbits about his ex wife and his own children.

John is trying to be a parent and put the kids first. Wing on tv and no privacy is not a childhood. John has been slandered for years and under a gag order. Good for him.

Those celebrity teenagers are by choice and not 24-7 with cameras.

Jon is the one who doesn't want the kids to be on camera. The kids are clearly not the ones saying that they don't want to be on camera. As always, Jon is putting his own wants first and completely ignoring the fact that Kate and their kids are separate entities who have the right to live their own lives as they see fit.

Kate objects to Jon's attempts to control her and I can't blame her. Jon is winning on legal technicalities, not because his kids agree with a thing that he is doing to "stand up for them". Like Cara and Maddie they probably resent the heck out of their dad for intruding into their lives in such a contentious way.

Er, no, 15-year-olds cannot just live their lives as they see fit. It's called parenting. Kids often disagree with their parents during the teen years on all manner of life issues.

Right. And Kate is their parent, too. She has been raising them and supporting them since day one. If she AND the kids think that filming is o.k., why are they having to ask permission from Jon to live their own lives?

Anonymous wrote:They had a guardian ad litem who along with a judge said filming wasn't in the best interest of the kids in 2018. The court said they would have to get work permits to film and both parents would have to agree. Tlc and Kate ignored that order.

I'd have to know more about why the guardian ad litem and the judge deemed the filming to not be in the children's best interests.

If the kids being filmed do not have an issue with being filmed then shouldn't their voices be heard? Honestly, I think Jon just doesn't want to Hanna and Colin to see their brother and sisters on a t.v. show. He's afraid that might tempt them to go back to live with their mom.

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Anonymous wrote:I think 15 year old teenagers are old enough to decide whether they want to be filmed or not.

Yes, because 15 year olds make good decisions all the time.

There are plenty of teenage celebrities that are used to being in the spotlight. They aren't babies anymore, their dad hasn't been a part of their lives for awhile and if they are comfortable being on camera with their mom why shouldn't they be able to do so?

Jon is being vindictive at this point and just hurting Kate because he can. Ironically, Jon is the one hitting the talk shows and dishing out embarrassing little tidbits about his ex wife and his own children.

John is trying to be a parent and put the kids first. Wing on tv and no privacy is not a childhood. John has been slandered for years and under a gag order. Good for him.

Those celebrity teenagers are by choice and not 24-7 with cameras.

Jon is the one who doesn't want the kids to be on camera. The kids are clearly not the ones saying that they don't want to be on camera. As always, Jon is putting his own wants first and completely ignoring the fact that Kate and their kids are separate entities who have the right to live their own lives as they see fit.

Kate objects to Jon's attempts to control her and I can't blame her. Jon is winning on legal technicalities, not because his kids agree with a thing that he is doing to "stand up for them". Like Cara and Maddie they probably resent the heck out of their dad for intruding into their lives in such a contentious way.

Er, no, 15-year-olds cannot just live their lives as they see fit. It's called parenting. Kids often disagree with their parents during the teen years on all manner of life issues.

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Anonymous wrote:I think 15 year old teenagers are old enough to decide whether they want to be filmed or not.

Yes, because 15 year olds make good decisions all the time.

There are plenty of teenage celebrities that are used to being in the spotlight. They aren't babies anymore, their dad hasn't been a part of their lives for awhile and if they are comfortable being on camera with their mom why shouldn't they be able to do so?

Jon is being vindictive at this point and just hurting Kate because he can. Ironically, Jon is the one hitting the talk shows and dishing out embarrassing little tidbits about his ex wife and his own children.

John is trying to be a parent and put the kids first. Wing on tv and no privacy is not a childhood. John has been slandered for years and under a gag order. Good for him.

Those celebrity teenagers are by choice and not 24-7 with cameras.

Jon is the one who doesn't want the kids to be on camera. The kids are clearly not the ones saying that they don't want to be on camera. As always, Jon is putting his own wants first and completely ignoring the fact that Kate and their kids are separate entities who have the right to live their own lives as they see fit.

Kate objects to Jon's attempts to control her and I can't blame her. Jon is winning on legal technicalities, not because his kids agree with a thing that he is doing to "stand up for them". Like Cara and Maddie they probably resent the heck out of their dad for intruding into their lives in such a contentious way.

How do you know the kids liked being filmed? Do you have any idea how many hours of filming are required for a30 minute episode? That is hard work for a child, why do you think labor laws exist for child actors. A few years ago, one of the twins didn’t want to go on “vacation” for filming, Jon went to pick her up and Kate threatened to have him arrested. How is that looking out for the best interest of your children?

I haven't seen the most recent tapings of the kids but my impression is that they were more little snippets of their reactions to the Kate + Date show. I highly doubt that they were working any more hours than the typical HS kid works at their PT job flipping burgers.

The whole thing seems very spiteful. I am not aware of the incident where Jon came to "rescue" one of the twins from going on a vacation with Kate. I am aware of how both Maddie and Cara have expressed how much they dislike their father's conduct and interference. They are old enough to remember how things played out between their parents and they have sided with their mom for good reason.

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Anonymous wrote:I think 15 year old teenagers are old enough to decide whether they want to be filmed or not.

Yes, because 15 year olds make good decisions all the time.

There are plenty of teenage celebrities that are used to being in the spotlight. They aren't babies anymore, their dad hasn't been a part of their lives for awhile and if they are comfortable being on camera with their mom why shouldn't they be able to do so?

Jon is being vindictive at this point and just hurting Kate because he can. Ironically, Jon is the one hitting the talk shows and dishing out embarrassing little tidbits about his ex wife and his own children.

John is trying to be a parent and put the kids first. Wing on tv and no privacy is not a childhood. John has been slandered for years and under a gag order. Good for him.

Those celebrity teenagers are by choice and not 24-7 with cameras.

Jon is the one who doesn't want the kids to be on camera. The kids are clearly not the ones saying that they don't want to be on camera. As always, Jon is putting his own wants first and completely ignoring the fact that Kate and their kids are separate entities who have the right to live their own lives as they see fit.

Kate objects to Jon's attempts to control her and I can't blame her. Jon is winning on legal technicalities, not because his kids agree with a thing that he is doing to "stand up for them". Like Cara and Maddie they probably resent the heck out of their dad for intruding into their lives in such a contentious way.

How do you know the kids liked being filmed? Do you have any idea how many hours of filming are required for a30 minute episode? That is hard work for a child, why do you think labor laws exist for child actors. A few years ago, one of the twins didn’t want to go on “vacation” for filming, Jon went to pick her up and Kate threatened to have him arrested. How is that looking out for the best interest of your children?

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Anonymous wrote:I think 15 year old teenagers are old enough to decide whether they want to be filmed or not.

Yes, because 15 year olds make good decisions all the time.

There are plenty of teenage celebrities that are used to being in the spotlight. They aren't babies anymore, their dad hasn't been a part of their lives for awhile and if they are comfortable being on camera with their mom why shouldn't they be able to do so?

Jon is being vindictive at this point and just hurting Kate because he can. Ironically, Jon is the one hitting the talk shows and dishing out embarrassing little tidbits about his ex wife and his own children.

John is trying to be a parent and put the kids first. Wing on tv and no privacy is not a childhood. John has been slandered for years and under a gag order. Good for him.

Those celebrity teenagers are by choice and not 24-7 with cameras.

Jon is the one who doesn't want the kids to be on camera. The kids are clearly not the ones saying that they don't want to be on camera. As always, Jon is putting his own wants first and completely ignoring the fact that Kate and their kids are separate entities who have the right to live their own lives as they see fit.

Kate objects to Jon's attempts to control her and I can't blame her. Jon is winning on legal technicalities, not because his kids agree with a thing that he is doing to "stand up for them". Like Cara and Maddie they probably resent the heck out of their dad for intruding into their lives in such a contentious way.

They had a guardian ad litem who along with a judge said filming wasn't in the best interest of the kids in 2018. The court said they would have to get work permits to film and both parents would have to agree. Tlc and Kate ignored that order.

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Anonymous wrote:I think 15 year old teenagers are old enough to decide whether they want to be filmed or not.

Yes, because 15 year olds make good decisions all the time.

There are plenty of teenage celebrities that are used to being in the spotlight. They aren't babies anymore, their dad hasn't been a part of their lives for awhile and if they are comfortable being on camera with their mom why shouldn't they be able to do so?

Jon is being vindictive at this point and just hurting Kate because he can. Ironically, Jon is the one hitting the talk shows and dishing out embarrassing little tidbits about his ex wife and his own children.

John is trying to be a parent and put the kids first. Wing on tv and no privacy is not a childhood. John has been slandered for years and under a gag order. Good for him.

Those celebrity teenagers are by choice and not 24-7 with cameras.

Anonymous wrote:^I'll also point out that the two 19 year old young adults have chosen to be on camera with their mom, too.

The sextuplets will be adults in less than 3 years. Instead of alienating and trying to control his kids, why doesn't Jon let them do what they want to do and go to court ONLY if they indicate that Kate is pressuring them to be on t.v.?

Maybe the kids actually WANT to be camera.

They have no choice. They know no other life. They don’t know their dad and mom kept them apart. Kids should no be a tv show.

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Anonymous wrote:I think 15 year old teenagers are old enough to decide whether they want to be filmed or not.

Yes, because 15 year olds make good decisions all the time.

There are plenty of teenage celebrities that are used to being in the spotlight. They aren't babies anymore, their dad hasn't been a part of their lives for awhile and if they are comfortable being on camera with their mom why shouldn't they be able to do so?

Jon is being vindictive at this point and just hurting Kate because he can. Ironically, Jon is the one hitting the talk shows and dishing out embarrassing little tidbits about his ex wife and his own children.

Well, because they are minors and require work permits to appear on camera, which requires cooperation by both parents. TLC is out of compliance and filmed without this. Should abused child starts be formed to perform without any working permits in place? Pushed by their Lohan-like parents regardless of the laws? Look at how those Disney kids turned out and are abused. He is a parent and has not been found unfit in any way. So to do this "off the books" is illegal, and they were justly fined for it. What's your argument to the Prosecutor and the Department of Labor who denied the permits? Because the above doesn't hold water.

^I'll also point out that the two 19 year old young adults have chosen to be on camera with their mom, too.

The sextuplets will be adults in less than 3 years. Instead of alienating and trying to control his kids, why doesn't Jon let them do what they want to do and go to court ONLY if they indicate that Kate is pressuring them to be on t.v.?

Maybe the kids actually WANT to be camera.