Anonymous wrote:Honestly, all of your fighting over which high performing school your kids get to go to is ridiculous. All of those north arlington schools are excellent - hence the surrounding real estate values.

The bigger challenge will be south arlington - if there is any effort at diversity.

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If Key and ASFS are both neighborhood schools, is that enough seats to absorb all the kids who would no longer be choosing immersion for location?

Barely-- Rosslyn and Courthouse could easily fill Key. Lyon Village and the neighborhood around ASFS, once you add in the Ashlawn tail and the American Legion housing being built, will overcrowd ASFS in no time.

But still a lot better than having one of those schools be an option school.

What will be interesting is when Key becomes a neighborhood school and all those "car-free" families can no longer stick their kids on the bus and have that extra 20-40 minutes each morning and each afternoon that little Larlo and Larla are on the bus. It works out great that you can drop Larlo off at the bus stop at 8:10 and then walk to the Metro to get to work by 9 but what happens when you now have to wait until almost 9 and walk your kid to the school? And have to be at the school for pick up at 3:41 rather than looking out your window at 4:10 to see if the bus there yet? I'm sure they will be back on this board complaining that they liked it better when their kids could take the bus-lol!

Are you familiar with before and aftercare? One could walk their kid to or from either to make it work.

Sure, but that's not what the car-free families are used to-- and more importantly, what they feel they are entitled to. Truth is, a lot of folks could easily walk their kids to ASFS but choose not to because it's much more convenient to use the bus. Of course you will take the bus when offered but it's going to be an adjustment for a lot of folks when they have to actually start walking their younger kids to school versus leaving them at a bus stop with a bunch of other kids and adults.

And before and aftercare cost money and spots are limited. Again, that will be fine for some but not for everyone. Just you wait-- based on the responses on this board, everyone along the R-B corridor, including Lyon Village, should be thrilled when Key becomes a neighborhood school and they can all walk/have shorter commutes but I betcha there will be a HUGE resistance, especially from the Lyon Village folks about going to the Key building.

Most of LV will stay at ASFS. I wonder who will go to Long Branch. APS has huge excess capacity at Hoffman-Boston and especially Drew. They have to balance enrollment, meaning many families living between RB corridor and Drew will be shift south.

Nope. LV around Key will go to Key. Why bother to put ASFS in its own boundary if they are going to put Key outside of its?

Key is at the edge of LV. ASFS is adjacent to LV. Both Key and ASFS will be in their own boundaries. Most of LV will stay at ASFS.

Looking at a map I don’t see how that’s possible. Kirkwood looks like the logical boundary.

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If Key and ASFS are both neighborhood schools, is that enough seats to absorb all the kids who would no longer be choosing immersion for location?

Barely-- Rosslyn and Courthouse could easily fill Key. Lyon Village and the neighborhood around ASFS, once you add in the Ashlawn tail and the American Legion housing being built, will overcrowd ASFS in no time.

But still a lot better than having one of those schools be an option school.

What will be interesting is when Key becomes a neighborhood school and all those "car-free" families can no longer stick their kids on the bus and have that extra 20-40 minutes each morning and each afternoon that little Larlo and Larla are on the bus. It works out great that you can drop Larlo off at the bus stop at 8:10 and then walk to the Metro to get to work by 9 but what happens when you now have to wait until almost 9 and walk your kid to the school? And have to be at the school for pick up at 3:41 rather than looking out your window at 4:10 to see if the bus there yet? I'm sure they will be back on this board complaining that they liked it better when their kids could take the bus-lol!

Are you familiar with before and aftercare? One could walk their kid to or from either to make it work.

Sure, but that's not what the car-free families are used to-- and more importantly, what they feel they are entitled to. Truth is, a lot of folks could easily walk their kids to ASFS but choose not to because it's much more convenient to use the bus. Of course you will take the bus when offered but it's going to be an adjustment for a lot of folks when they have to actually start walking their younger kids to school versus leaving them at a bus stop with a bunch of other kids and adults.

And before and aftercare cost money and spots are limited. Again, that will be fine for some but not for everyone. Just you wait-- based on the responses on this board, everyone along the R-B corridor, including Lyon Village, should be thrilled when Key becomes a neighborhood school and they can all walk/have shorter commutes but I betcha there will be a HUGE resistance, especially from the Lyon Village folks about going to the Key building.

Most of LV will stay at ASFS. I wonder who will go to Long Branch. APS has huge excess capacity at Hoffman-Boston and especially Drew. They have to balance enrollment, meaning many families living between RB corridor and Drew will be shift south.

Nope. LV around Key will go to Key. Why bother to put ASFS in its own boundary if they are going to put Key outside of its?

Key is at the edge of LV. ASFS is adjacent to LV. Both Key and ASFS will be in their own boundaries. Most of LV will stay at ASFS.

Looking at a map I don’t see how that’s possible. Kirkwood looks like the logical boundary.

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Yes, if you all will remember, those car-free folks lobbied hard to make sure Kirkwood was not crossable during the walk zone review. Just waaaaaay too dangerous to have elementary school kids walk across Kirkwood. So it looks like LV will be going to the new Key school!

Too bad they didn't speak up to get a crossing guard at Kirkwood when they had the chance.

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If Key and ASFS are both neighborhood schools, is that enough seats to absorb all the kids who would no longer be choosing immersion for location?

Barely-- Rosslyn and Courthouse could easily fill Key. Lyon Village and the neighborhood around ASFS, once you add in the Ashlawn tail and the American Legion housing being built, will overcrowd ASFS in no time.

But still a lot better than having one of those schools be an option school.

What will be interesting is when Key becomes a neighborhood school and all those "car-free" families can no longer stick their kids on the bus and have that extra 20-40 minutes each morning and each afternoon that little Larlo and Larla are on the bus. It works out great that you can drop Larlo off at the bus stop at 8:10 and then walk to the Metro to get to work by 9 but what happens when you now have to wait until almost 9 and walk your kid to the school? And have to be at the school for pick up at 3:41 rather than looking out your window at 4:10 to see if the bus there yet? I'm sure they will be back on this board complaining that they liked it better when their kids could take the bus-lol!

Are you familiar with before and aftercare? One could walk their kid to or from either to make it work.

Sure, but that's not what the car-free families are used to-- and more importantly, what they feel they are entitled to. Truth is, a lot of folks could easily walk their kids to ASFS but choose not to because it's much more convenient to use the bus. Of course you will take the bus when offered but it's going to be an adjustment for a lot of folks when they have to actually start walking their younger kids to school versus leaving them at a bus stop with a bunch of other kids and adults.

And before and aftercare cost money and spots are limited. Again, that will be fine for some but not for everyone. Just you wait-- based on the responses on this board, everyone along the R-B corridor, including Lyon Village, should be thrilled when Key becomes a neighborhood school and they can all walk/have shorter commutes but I betcha there will be a HUGE resistance, especially from the Lyon Village folks about going to the Key building.

Most of LV will stay at ASFS. I wonder who will go to Long Branch. APS has huge excess capacity at Hoffman-Boston and especially Drew. They have to balance enrollment, meaning many families living between RB corridor and Drew will be shift south.

Nope. LV around Key will go to Key. Why bother to put ASFS in its own boundary if they are going to put Key outside of its?

Key is at the edge of LV. ASFS is adjacent to LV. Both Key and ASFS will be in their own boundaries. Most of LV will stay at ASFS.

Looking at a map I don’t see how that’s possible. Kirkwood looks like the logical boundary.

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If Key and ASFS are both neighborhood schools, is that enough seats to absorb all the kids who would no longer be choosing immersion for location?

Barely-- Rosslyn and Courthouse could easily fill Key. Lyon Village and the neighborhood around ASFS, once you add in the Ashlawn tail and the American Legion housing being built, will overcrowd ASFS in no time.

But still a lot better than having one of those schools be an option school.

What will be interesting is when Key becomes a neighborhood school and all those "car-free" families can no longer stick their kids on the bus and have that extra 20-40 minutes each morning and each afternoon that little Larlo and Larla are on the bus. It works out great that you can drop Larlo off at the bus stop at 8:10 and then walk to the Metro to get to work by 9 but what happens when you now have to wait until almost 9 and walk your kid to the school? And have to be at the school for pick up at 3:41 rather than looking out your window at 4:10 to see if the bus there yet? I'm sure they will be back on this board complaining that they liked it better when their kids could take the bus-lol!

Are you familiar with before and aftercare? One could walk their kid to or from either to make it work.

Sure, but that's not what the car-free families are used to-- and more importantly, what they feel they are entitled to. Truth is, a lot of folks could easily walk their kids to ASFS but choose not to because it's much more convenient to use the bus. Of course you will take the bus when offered but it's going to be an adjustment for a lot of folks when they have to actually start walking their younger kids to school versus leaving them at a bus stop with a bunch of other kids and adults.

And before and aftercare cost money and spots are limited. Again, that will be fine for some but not for everyone. Just you wait-- based on the responses on this board, everyone along the R-B corridor, including Lyon Village, should be thrilled when Key becomes a neighborhood school and they can all walk/have shorter commutes but I betcha there will be a HUGE resistance, especially from the Lyon Village folks about going to the Key building.

Most of LV will stay at ASFS. I wonder who will go to Long Branch. APS has huge excess capacity at Hoffman-Boston and especially Drew. They have to balance enrollment, meaning many families living between RB corridor and Drew will be shift south.

Nope. LV around Key will go to Key. Why bother to put ASFS in its own boundary if they are going to put Key outside of its?

Key is at the edge of LV. ASFS is adjacent to LV. Both Key and ASFS will be in their own boundaries. Most of LV will stay at ASFS.

Looking at a map I don’t see how that’s possible. Kirkwood looks like the logical boundary.

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If Key and ASFS are both neighborhood schools, is that enough seats to absorb all the kids who would no longer be choosing immersion for location?

Barely-- Rosslyn and Courthouse could easily fill Key. Lyon Village and the neighborhood around ASFS, once you add in the Ashlawn tail and the American Legion housing being built, will overcrowd ASFS in no time.

But still a lot better than having one of those schools be an option school.

What will be interesting is when Key becomes a neighborhood school and all those "car-free" families can no longer stick their kids on the bus and have that extra 20-40 minutes each morning and each afternoon that little Larlo and Larla are on the bus. It works out great that you can drop Larlo off at the bus stop at 8:10 and then walk to the Metro to get to work by 9 but what happens when you now have to wait until almost 9 and walk your kid to the school? And have to be at the school for pick up at 3:41 rather than looking out your window at 4:10 to see if the bus there yet? I'm sure they will be back on this board complaining that they liked it better when their kids could take the bus-lol!

Are you familiar with before and aftercare? One could walk their kid to or from either to make it work.

Sure, but that's not what the car-free families are used to-- and more importantly, what they feel they are entitled to. Truth is, a lot of folks could easily walk their kids to ASFS but choose not to because it's much more convenient to use the bus. Of course you will take the bus when offered but it's going to be an adjustment for a lot of folks when they have to actually start walking their younger kids to school versus leaving them at a bus stop with a bunch of other kids and adults.

And before and aftercare cost money and spots are limited. Again, that will be fine for some but not for everyone. Just you wait-- based on the responses on this board, everyone along the R-B corridor, including Lyon Village, should be thrilled when Key becomes a neighborhood school and they can all walk/have shorter commutes but I betcha there will be a HUGE resistance, especially from the Lyon Village folks about going to the Key building.

Most of LV will stay at ASFS. I wonder who will go to Long Branch. APS has huge excess capacity at Hoffman-Boston and especially Drew. They have to balance enrollment, meaning many families living between RB corridor and Drew will be shift south.

Nope. LV around Key will go to Key. Why bother to put ASFS in its own boundary if they are going to put Key outside of its?

Key is at the edge of LV. ASFS is adjacent to LV. Both Key and ASFS will be in their own boundaries. Most of LV will stay at ASFS.

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If Key and ASFS are both neighborhood schools, is that enough seats to absorb all the kids who would no longer be choosing immersion for location?

Barely-- Rosslyn and Courthouse could easily fill Key. Lyon Village and the neighborhood around ASFS, once you add in the Ashlawn tail and the American Legion housing being built, will overcrowd ASFS in no time.

But still a lot better than having one of those schools be an option school.

What will be interesting is when Key becomes a neighborhood school and all those "car-free" families can no longer stick their kids on the bus and have that extra 20-40 minutes each morning and each afternoon that little Larlo and Larla are on the bus. It works out great that you can drop Larlo off at the bus stop at 8:10 and then walk to the Metro to get to work by 9 but what happens when you now have to wait until almost 9 and walk your kid to the school? And have to be at the school for pick up at 3:41 rather than looking out your window at 4:10 to see if the bus there yet? I'm sure they will be back on this board complaining that they liked it better when their kids could take the bus-lol!

Are you familiar with before and aftercare? One could walk their kid to or from either to make it work.

Sure, but that's not what the car-free families are used to-- and more importantly, what they feel they are entitled to. Truth is, a lot of folks could easily walk their kids to ASFS but choose not to because it's much more convenient to use the bus. Of course you will take the bus when offered but it's going to be an adjustment for a lot of folks when they have to actually start walking their younger kids to school versus leaving them at a bus stop with a bunch of other kids and adults.

And before and aftercare cost money and spots are limited. Again, that will be fine for some but not for everyone. Just you wait-- based on the responses on this board, everyone along the R-B corridor, including Lyon Village, should be thrilled when Key becomes a neighborhood school and they can all walk/have shorter commutes but I betcha there will be a HUGE resistance, especially from the Lyon Village folks about going to the Key building.

Most of LV will stay at ASFS. I wonder who will go to Long Branch. APS has huge excess capacity at Hoffman-Boston and especially Drew. They have to balance enrollment, meaning many families living between RB corridor and Drew will be shift south.

Nope. LV around Key will go to Key. Why bother to put ASFS in its own boundary if they are going to put Key outside of its?

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Anonymous wrote:We have two cars ourselves but know many families at our school who don’t have a car or just have one car. These families walk, bike, and bus around town.

Not sure why that’s so hard for the nasty posters to believe. There are tons of families who live in the high-density areas along the R-B corridor. And more buildings going up every year. Get your head out of your ass and you will notice these things.

Please, give me a break! Here we go again. Sorry, this is not NYC. You are right that there are many families with children that live along R-B corridor but wrong that they don't have cars - however, this is irrelevant to APS planning. THey have no requirement to make some special accomodations for people who do not own cars. They have a plan in place for these people - they are called school busses! I get that your Larlo is too precious to ride one but that's the plan for your child, you just don't like it. Not APS's problem. You're preference for walking doesn't require APS to bend over backwards to develop some special plan to accommodate you.

Nobody is asking for special accomodation. I think the post that started this tangent asked for :
-- reliable buses (is anyone actually against this?)
-- the ability to sign up for extended day at a closer school

I can see the argument against extended day, but is anyone really arguing against reliable buses? Or are we just arguing for the sake of arguing?
Lots of people don't have cars, lots of people do. Just because you cannot imagine living without a car doesn't mean other people don't live that way. There's a lot of beating up on a few posters who say they have kids and don't own a car. I'm not really sure what's motivating that, its not really productive, and isn't really relevant to this thread.
I don't think we want to intentionally zone people who currently walk to a school where they have to drive, especially in areas that have reduced parking and the county is encouraging people to use public transportation. That seems reasonable. You can argue that we don't have the infrastructure to support people being carless, or that its not something we should consider, but it doesn't help Arlington as a whole to argue that everyone with kids owns a car and must drive their kid to and from school.

I just love the sanctimonious folks in Market Commons who cannot be inconvenienced because they reportedly walk everywhere. What about the car-free families who live in the same planning unit as ASFS that were attacked for even applying to go to ASFS?

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Anonymous wrote:Car-less and family don’t really go hand in hand around here. We don’t have the infrastructure. This isn’t NYC

-1 Not true. We are a car-less family near Clarendon. Sure, we get a Zipcar now and then or Uber but you don't have to have a car here when you have kids.

How old are your kids?

Different poster, but we live in Clarendon without a car too. My kids are 12, 10, and 8.

So do your kids do any extracurriculars, camps, or lessons? Camp was what finally broke us into getting a second car.

Or do you just Uber/zip car a lot?

My kids do camp at the y, downtown, ice skating/hockey, or the camps through the county. We haven’t had an issue (yet), other than typical issues with having multiple kids who have different interests.
They play soccer and softball/baseball. They also swim year round. No issues so far getting them to anything, though the older one carpools to most of his stuff, but I think that’s typical of older kids from big families.

So how do your three kids get to the Y, the camps throughout the county, their swim. softball and baseball practices?

We walk. We live within a mile of most things they are signed up for, and we take the train/bus when we can’t walk. Lots of people get by without a car.

What neighborhood is this magical place, we get assigned practices and games all over the place. Or do you do EVERYTHING at the Y? Do county camps offer bus service? We did county camps but most years they aren’t at our neighborhood school.

I assume you must not work, b/c waking or taking pokey ART buses will take a *lot* of time.

By the way, what is your plan when the start the multi-year renovation of the Y next year?

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Anonymous wrote:We have two cars ourselves but know many families at our school who don’t have a car or just have one car. These families walk, bike, and bus around town.

Not sure why that’s so hard for the nasty posters to believe. There are tons of families who live in the high-density areas along the R-B corridor. And more buildings going up every year. Get your head out of your ass and you will notice these things.

Please, give me a break! Here we go again. Sorry, this is not NYC. You are right that there are many families with children that live along R-B corridor but wrong that they don't have cars - however, this is irrelevant to APS planning. THey have no requirement to make some special accomodations for people who do not own cars. They have a plan in place for these people - they are called school busses! I get that your Larlo is too precious to ride one but that's the plan for your child, you just don't like it. Not APS's problem. You're preference for walking doesn't require APS to bend over backwards to develop some special plan to accommodate you.

Nobody is asking for special accomodation. I think the post that started this tangent asked for :
-- reliable buses (is anyone actually against this?)
-- the ability to sign up for extended day at a closer school

I can see the argument against extended day, but is anyone really arguing against reliable buses? Or are we just arguing for the sake of arguing?
Lots of people don't have cars, lots of people do. Just because you cannot imagine living without a car doesn't mean other people don't live that way. There's a lot of beating up on a few posters who say they have kids and don't own a car. I'm not really sure what's motivating that, its not really productive, and isn't really relevant to this thread.
I don't think we want to intentionally zone people who currently walk to a school where they have to drive, especially in areas that have reduced parking and the county is encouraging people to use public transportation. That seems reasonable. You can argue that we don't have the infrastructure to support people being carless, or that its not something we should consider, but it doesn't help Arlington as a whole to argue that everyone with kids owns a car and must drive their kid to and from school.

I just love the sanctimonious folks in Market Commons who cannot be inconvenienced because they reportedly walk everywhere. What about the car-free families who live in the same planning unit as ASFS that were attacked for even applying to go to ASFS?

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If Key and ASFS are both neighborhood schools, is that enough seats to absorb all the kids who would no longer be choosing immersion for location?

Barely-- Rosslyn and Courthouse could easily fill Key. Lyon Village and the neighborhood around ASFS, once you add in the Ashlawn tail and the American Legion housing being built, will overcrowd ASFS in no time.

But still a lot better than having one of those schools be an option school.

What will be interesting is when Key becomes a neighborhood school and all those "car-free" families can no longer stick their kids on the bus and have that extra 20-40 minutes each morning and each afternoon that little Larlo and Larla are on the bus. It works out great that you can drop Larlo off at the bus stop at 8:10 and then walk to the Metro to get to work by 9 but what happens when you now have to wait until almost 9 and walk your kid to the school? And have to be at the school for pick up at 3:41 rather than looking out your window at 4:10 to see if the bus there yet? I'm sure they will be back on this board complaining that they liked it better when their kids could take the bus-lol!

Are you familiar with before and aftercare? One could walk their kid to or from either to make it work.

Sure, but that's not what the car-free families are used to-- and more importantly, what they feel they are entitled to. Truth is, a lot of folks could easily walk their kids to ASFS but choose not to because it's much more convenient to use the bus. Of course you will take the bus when offered but it's going to be an adjustment for a lot of folks when they have to actually start walking their younger kids to school versus leaving them at a bus stop with a bunch of other kids and adults.

And before and aftercare cost money and spots are limited. Again, that will be fine for some but not for everyone. Just you wait-- based on the responses on this board, everyone along the R-B corridor, including Lyon Village, should be thrilled when Key becomes a neighborhood school and they can all walk/have shorter commutes but I betcha there will be a HUGE resistance, especially from the Lyon Village folks about going to the Key building.

Most of LV will stay at ASFS. I wonder who will go to Long Branch. APS has huge excess capacity at Hoffman-Boston and especially Drew. They have to balance enrollment, meaning many families living between RB corridor and Drew will be shift south.

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If Key and ASFS are both neighborhood schools, is that enough seats to absorb all the kids who would no longer be choosing immersion for location?

Barely-- Rosslyn and Courthouse could easily fill Key. Lyon Village and the neighborhood around ASFS, once you add in the Ashlawn tail and the American Legion housing being built, will overcrowd ASFS in no time.

But still a lot better than having one of those schools be an option school.

What will be interesting is when Key becomes a neighborhood school and all those "car-free" families can no longer stick their kids on the bus and have that extra 20-40 minutes each morning and each afternoon that little Larlo and Larla are on the bus. It works out great that you can drop Larlo off at the bus stop at 8:10 and then walk to the Metro to get to work by 9 but what happens when you now have to wait until almost 9 and walk your kid to the school? And have to be at the school for pick up at 3:41 rather than looking out your window at 4:10 to see if the bus there yet? I'm sure they will be back on this board complaining that they liked it better when their kids could take the bus-lol!

Are you familiar with before and aftercare? One could walk their kid to or from either to make it work.

Sure, but that's not what the car-free families are used to-- and more importantly, what they feel they are entitled to. Truth is, a lot of folks could easily walk their kids to ASFS but choose not to because it's much more convenient to use the bus. Of course you will take the bus when offered but it's going to be an adjustment for a lot of folks when they have to actually start walking their younger kids to school versus leaving them at a bus stop with a bunch of other kids and adults.

And before and aftercare cost money and spots are limited. Again, that will be fine for some but not for everyone. Just you wait-- based on the responses on this board, everyone along the R-B corridor, including Lyon Village, should be thrilled when Key becomes a neighborhood school and they can all walk/have shorter commutes but I betcha there will be a HUGE resistance, especially from the Lyon Village folks about going to the Key building.

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If Key and ASFS are both neighborhood schools, is that enough seats to absorb all the kids who would no longer be choosing immersion for location?

Barely-- Rosslyn and Courthouse could easily fill Key. Lyon Village and the neighborhood around ASFS, once you add in the Ashlawn tail and the American Legion housing being built, will overcrowd ASFS in no time.

But still a lot better than having one of those schools be an option school.

What will be interesting is when Key becomes a neighborhood school and all those "car-free" families can no longer stick their kids on the bus and have that extra 20-40 minutes each morning and each afternoon that little Larlo and Larla are on the bus. It works out great that you can drop Larlo off at the bus stop at 8:10 and then walk to the Metro to get to work by 9 but what happens when you now have to wait until almost 9 and walk your kid to the school? And have to be at the school for pick up at 3:41 rather than looking out your window at 4:10 to see if the bus there yet? I'm sure they will be back on this board complaining that they liked it better when their kids could take the bus-lol!

Are you familiar with before and aftercare? One could walk their kid to or from either to make it work.

Sure, but that's not what the car-free families are used to-- and more importantly, what they feel they are entitled to. Truth is, a lot of folks could easily walk their kids to ASFS but choose not to because it's much more convenient to use the bus. Of course you will take the bus when offered but it's going to be an adjustment for a lot of folks when they have to actually start walking their younger kids to school versus leaving them at a bus stop with a bunch of other kids and adults.

And before and aftercare cost money and spots are limited. Again, that will be fine for some but not for everyone. Just you wait-- based on the responses on this board, everyone along the R-B corridor, including Lyon Village, should be thrilled when Key becomes a neighborhood school and they can all walk/have shorter commutes but I betcha there will be a HUGE resistance, especially from the Lyon Village folks about going to the Key building.