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Do you even have a college degree? if you have, you better get a refund. Gang wars have been happening throughout human history. White supremacy gangs, Italian mafia, Russian gangs, black gangs, Hispanic hangs etc etc.

America is a country of 330 milllion, what happens in small school is not representative of the country. That’s why data makes sense, not anecdotes. Data suggests what you are describing is an exception and not the rule. You have no credibility because you are trying hard to extrapolate and exception case into a everyday rule case. It’s not gonna work, fortunately there are enough educated Americans.

Actually it did already work when Trump was elected, you know. You are still blind to the anger people feel when someone "educated" tells them their individual situation is irrelevant, the pain they feel is irrelevant, their personal struggles are irrelevant because "big global trends" show something different.

Snowflake.

Where did you learn that? What a brilliant response.

She grifted off the Republicans. Liberals can’t come up with their own verbiage.

F*ck your feelings.

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We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too.

I'm just responding to this - as a first-gen and an educator.

My family learned English ("off the boat" Italians) in night school and on their own. It was "sink or swim" through the 1960s. However, event though we formalized the process, my family didn't have the opportunity NOT to learn b/c nothing was translated for them. So they arrived poor, worked their ass*es off, and learned the language.

So you are a brown person yourself. How can you now judge the Hispanic brown people? If at all anything Italian is the closest language to Spanish.

I think any immigrants are hardworking whether they are brown immigrants from Italy or Mx, Or white immigrants from Sweden, Or black immigrants from Jamaica.

Italians are not considered brown, and not all of us have olive complexions.

I am not judging; I am stating facts. My family didn't have it easy coming over. Once they arrived, they did everything they could to retain their culture w/in the home (and among their family and friends), but outside of the home, they were proud Americans.

You see - there came a point when building resilience and resourcefulness in people was replaced by enabling. I see it in the school system. We have created a Me Me nation where many are expecting handouts. You don't build people up by giving them everything.

Enter through legal avenues.
Learn English.
Work your a** off.
Be a role model for your kids.

Not all people are the same. I have had many students - majority Hispanic and African - who agree with me. When you enter a new country, you bend for the country, as it's providing you opportunities you supposedly didn't have in your country of birth, right? b/c if life was so good back home, why leave?

My family escaped poverty. My father barely had a home; it was crumbling. Christmas gits consisted of winter fruits. When he was alive, he had fond memories of Italy despite the obstacles that faced him, but he was proud of his accomplishments in the U. S. (Mom was luckier in that she was a "middle class" Italian, but the family knew that they could move ahead in the States.)

So the neo-libs can preach it all they want! You don't speak for all of us. And that assumption that we're all the same will be a negative force in 2020.

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Anonymous wrote:Here, data:
https://cis.org/Testimony/Fiscal-and-Economic-Impact-Immigration-United-States

“The National Research Council (NRC) estimated in 1996 that immigrant households (legal and illegal) create a net fiscal burden (taxes paid minus services used) on all levels of government of between $11.4 billion and $20.2 billion annually.7

A just-released study from the Heritage Foundation found that the average household headed by an illegal immigrant used nearly $14,400 more in services than it paid in taxes, for a total fiscal drain of $55 billion.”

So you could a biased source from 1996 to bolster your case.

It’s from 2013, you absolute twit. Reading truly is fundamental. And the source is no more biased than the WaPo or NYT.
-DP

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the data from pew, pure data people without agenda, from this month with facts about illegal immigration. It is actually at a low point compared to a peak in bush years.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

We're not providing fewer services to those who come here. Since the Bush years, more services are expected and even demanded re education, second language instruction, special education, post high school education support. housing support, medical care, and food.

In many cases the kids are American citizens. Do you want to discriminate against American citizens just because they are brown and their parents maybe undocumented? We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too. Why is this any different ? It is not even a drop in the massive US budgets.

The link below is a book that explains the same issues faced by Italians and at that time there was so much hate crime against Italians because they weren’t considered white, at the time. History repeats itself, this time against Hispanics.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5406/j.ctt1xcn6g

PP here. You're preaching to the choir, as they say. I've worked with kids from all walks of life for years. I care deeply about all of these kids, regardless of who they are; but it is expensive. There needs to be more control over the number of immigrants arriving and staying here. We already have impoverished, struggling children whose parents are American citizens; and we aren't doing enough for THEM.

We are doing enough for all kids in blue states, just not in red states. The red states are perennially moochers because they give tax cuts to the rich and have no money for its middle class citizens. We are the richest country and we do have the resources. But we just give too much away for the rich and that’s the issue we need to fix. I am all for Warren or kamala to come and tax the heck out of Trumps and other millionaires.

We are NOT doing enough for all kids in blue states. You appear to have an axe to grind with your comments.

I don’t have no axe to grind at all. I am just tired of the lies of the conman and the hypocrisy while he recruits illegals and doubles the h2B visa to hire waitresses. Why doesn’t he have e-verify in all his properties ? Why can’t he find American waitresses? Why hasn’t he not supported a single bill to mandate e-verify and punish the businesses that hire illegals ?

Unlike the “poorly educated” I am not stupid to fall for his smoke and mirror con. I am all for mandatory e-verify if the fraud ever brings a bill to punish businesses for hiring illegals. Guess what? That bill is never coming.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the data from pew, pure data people without agenda, from this month with facts about illegal immigration. It is actually at a low point compared to a peak in bush years.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

We're not providing fewer services to those who come here. Since the Bush years, more services are expected and even demanded re education, second language instruction, special education, post high school education support. housing support, medical care, and food.

In many cases the kids are American citizens. Do you want to discriminate against American citizens just because they are brown and their parents maybe undocumented? We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too. Why is this any different ? It is not even a drop in the massive US budgets.

The link below is a book that explains the same issues faced by Italians and at that time there was so much hate crime against Italians because they weren’t considered white, at the time. History repeats itself, this time against Hispanics.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5406/j.ctt1xcn6g

PP here. You're preaching to the choir, as they say. I've worked with kids from all walks of life for years. I care deeply about all of these kids, regardless of who they are; but it is expensive. There needs to be more control over the number of immigrants arriving and staying here. We already have impoverished, struggling children whose parents are American citizens; and we aren't doing enough for THEM.

+ 1,000,000

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I'll bet you hate liberals more than you hate ILLEGAL immigrants.

How funny. The PPP (you?) made yet *another* hateful remark about red staters and all you can do is call out the rebuttal? I don’t “hate” liberals. I just have zero respect for you and zero intention of ever voting for one of your moronic candidates.

Your kids will hate you for the shitty world you left behind because you're too emotionally fragile to choose good policies if someone hurts your feelings.

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Anonymous wrote:Here, data:
https://cis.org/Testimony/Fiscal-and-Economic-Impact-Immigration-United-States

“The National Research Council (NRC) estimated in 1996 that immigrant households (legal and illegal) create a net fiscal burden (taxes paid minus services used) on all levels of government of between $11.4 billion and $20.2 billion annually.7

A just-released study from the Heritage Foundation found that the average household headed by an illegal immigrant used nearly $14,400 more in services than it paid in taxes, for a total fiscal drain of $55 billion.”

So you could a biased source from 1996 to bolster your case.