Anonymous
Post 07/15/2019 19:59     Subject: ECNL & DA Nationals Results

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PDA is the real deal. Even if DA is better, the fact that PDA brought home multiple titles says enough. PDA is a super club.

https://www.soccerwire.com/news/ecnl-national-finals-conclude-with-u14-u17-title-matches-in-richmond-va/


PDA is one of those clubs that doesn't need a league. They went back to ECNL because they can charge for two ECNL teams and pull it off. It isn't about any ideological belief in this league versus that league. ECNL gave them two teams and a showcase to host. ANY club takes that deal 10 out of 10 times but not many clubs can demand that kind of a deal.

There are only 5 or so clubs in the nation with that kind of cache though the rest are just not that different than any other club.


They went back to ECNL because players wanted to play high school and the coaches didn’t like having tactics dictated to them from Chicago. The “back to ECNL to charge more money theory” makes no sense. Not every club is a money grubbing cash grab.


I love the revisionist history that claims that ECNL has always been in lock step and in full support of High School Soccer. While never forbidden by the league High School Soccer was always heavily discouraged by ECNL club coaches.

Now ECNL clubs are using HS soccer as a distinction because it suits their needs not because they suddenly see it’s benefits.



Talk about revisionist history.

BEFORE....ECNL played essentially 10 months our of the year (if you include winter training, futsal, etc.) ON TOP OF THAT, they played HS in CONJUNCTION with their club season. It was an over load and caused kids to be overworked. That's why it was discouraged!

NOW, the overload has been fixed. NOW kids DONT play club for 2-3 months every year while they play HS thus removing the overload. However, they still do showcases for college exposure. In Virginia, the ECNL National playoffs occurr at the end of the HS. So they have that as well.

I know people love to say that ECNL kids take off part of the year. However, they absolutely do not. They are still playing the game. Just not in club league format.

Yes, HS soccer is lower quality than ECNL or DA. However, it provides different challenges. A freshman or Sophomore playing Varsity against older kids is tough...even if they are not as "good".

Now check this out....

Most ECNL and DA players are committing to their college of choice after their Sophmore year in HS. At that point in time, a DA player will have 4-6 months of club league soccer over their ECNL counterparts who were playing HS during that time.

I assure you, that total of 4-6 months (combined over 2 years) of club soccer vs HS soccer is not going to separate 16- 17 year olds who have been playing the game for the past 8-9 years of their life.




ECNL painted themselves into a corner with shutting their season down to allow for High School. The message is clear, if you play ECNL you might as play High School soccer because there will be no real club season. The kids are now given the opposite of choice. They almost have to play HS if they want any spring or fall games during the HS season.

What a fantastic solution to go and play in showcases or the ECNL National Championship when the team hasn't played together for the past three months and coming off a very physical HS season to boot.



You are a goof ball. You don't like it? Dont have your kid play it! You think your DA kid has an advantage because they wear a DA patch? They dont.
You think ECNL painted themselves in a corner? They didn't. I laid it out for you. By time kids are getting recruited, the 4 + months of club soccer vs HS soccer doesnt separate them.

Mal Pugh played HS
Rose Lavelle played HS (right Bobby!)
Mia Hamm played HS.

I could go one. But why? You don't care.

The US Soccer Develoment Academy is not a school of learning. It's just club soccer. Get over yourself.


The High School soccer season runs from late February to early/mid June depending on playoffs. that is 3 to 4 months not 2 to 3 months.

Many kids play all four years of High School so that is 12 to 16 months away from club soccer over that time of which only Freshman through Junior seasons are truly impactful.

And yes, ECNL painted themselves into a corner by essentially shutting down during the HS season which is great if your kid really wants to play HS. But the cost of ECNL should be reflective and prorated with cutting a season out almost entirely. Getting the gang together for two or three showcases during the HS season is not elite.

Training 6 months out of ten is not an elite league. It is over priced for what you get though. Paying a club 3-4k a year for 6 months out of a possible 10 to let High School do the rest for free.



Long winded response dont make you right.

VHSL 1st practice: 2/24/2020
VHSL 1st contest: 3/16/2020
USDA 1st contest: 3/3/2020
USDA End of Season: 5/19/2020
VHSL REGIONALS - 5/27/2020

VERY FEW TEAMS GET PAST REGIONALS

FEB 24 TO MAY 27 IS 3 MONTHS.

BEGINNING OF JUNE: ECNL practice starts back up for ECNL playoffs at the end of June.

So, as I said before, by time kids are committing to college (beginning of their junior year)DA kids have 6 extra months of club play over their ECNL counterparts who were playing high school during the same time frame.

It wont make a difference. Sorry.



Yawn, anything else.


Has your kid already committed then?
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2019 19:58     Subject: ECNL & DA Nationals Results

Here are the ECNL Nationals results, including how each of the four finalists fared against local competition this season.

U14
PDA Blue
LAFC Slammers
Concorde Fire
Heat FC

PDA Blue (23-0) beat MD United 3-0 and 5-0
PDA Blue beat Bethesda 4-0 and 5-1
PDA Blue beat Richmond 5-0

U15
GSA
PDA Blue
MVLA
FC Pride

PDA Blue beat MD United 2-0
PDA Blue beat Bethesda 7-0

U16
SoCal Blues
Michigan Hawks
LAFC Slammers
SLSG – Mo

SoCal Blues beat VDA 3-0 (May 27 at PDA Showcase)
Michigan Hawks beat MD United 2-1 (January, 2019)
Michigan Hawks lost to BRYC 3-1 (June 30, at Nationals)
LAFC Slammers beat MD United 1-0 (July 1, at Nationals)
SLSG-MO tied MD United 0-0 (Jan 13)

U17
PDA Blue
LAFC Slammers
Ohio Premier
World Class FC

PDA Blue tied MD United 1-1
PDA Blue beat Bethesda 7-0
PDA Blue beat McLean 3-0
Ohio Premiere lost to McLean 3-1
World Class beat Loudon 2-1
World Class beat MD United 2-0
World Class beat McLean 1-0 (June 30, at Nationals)
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2019 19:06     Subject: ECNL & DA Nationals Results

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PDA is the real deal. Even if DA is better, the fact that PDA brought home multiple titles says enough. PDA is a super club.

https://www.soccerwire.com/news/ecnl-national-finals-conclude-with-u14-u17-title-matches-in-richmond-va/


PDA is one of those clubs that doesn't need a league. They went back to ECNL because they can charge for two ECNL teams and pull it off. It isn't about any ideological belief in this league versus that league. ECNL gave them two teams and a showcase to host. ANY club takes that deal 10 out of 10 times but not many clubs can demand that kind of a deal.

There are only 5 or so clubs in the nation with that kind of cache though the rest are just not that different than any other club.


They went back to ECNL because players wanted to play high school and the coaches didn’t like having tactics dictated to them from Chicago. The “back to ECNL to charge more money theory” makes no sense. Not every club is a money grubbing cash grab.


I love the revisionist history that claims that ECNL has always been in lock step and in full support of High School Soccer. While never forbidden by the league High School Soccer was always heavily discouraged by ECNL club coaches.

Now ECNL clubs are using HS soccer as a distinction because it suits their needs not because they suddenly see it’s benefits.



Talk about revisionist history.

BEFORE....ECNL played essentially 10 months our of the year (if you include winter training, futsal, etc.) ON TOP OF THAT, they played HS in CONJUNCTION with their club season. It was an over load and caused kids to be overworked. That's why it was discouraged!

NOW, the overload has been fixed. NOW kids DONT play club for 2-3 months every year while they play HS thus removing the overload. However, they still do showcases for college exposure. In Virginia, the ECNL National playoffs occurr at the end of the HS. So they have that as well.

I know people love to say that ECNL kids take off part of the year. However, they absolutely do not. They are still playing the game. Just not in club league format.

Yes, HS soccer is lower quality than ECNL or DA. However, it provides different challenges. A freshman or Sophomore playing Varsity against older kids is tough...even if they are not as "good".

Now check this out....

Most ECNL and DA players are committing to their college of choice after their Sophmore year in HS. At that point in time, a DA player will have 4-6 months of club league soccer over their ECNL counterparts who were playing HS during that time.

I assure you, that total of 4-6 months (combined over 2 years) of club soccer vs HS soccer is not going to separate 16- 17 year olds who have been playing the game for the past 8-9 years of their life.




ECNL painted themselves into a corner with shutting their season down to allow for High School. The message is clear, if you play ECNL you might as play High School soccer because there will be no real club season. The kids are now given the opposite of choice. They almost have to play HS if they want any spring or fall games during the HS season.

What a fantastic solution to go and play in showcases or the ECNL National Championship when the team hasn't played together for the past three months and coming off a very physical HS season to boot.



You are a goof ball. You don't like it? Dont have your kid play it! You think your DA kid has an advantage because they wear a DA patch? They dont.
You think ECNL painted themselves in a corner? They didn't. I laid it out for you. By time kids are getting recruited, the 4 + months of club soccer vs HS soccer doesnt separate them.

Mal Pugh played HS
Rose Lavelle played HS (right Bobby!)
Mia Hamm played HS.

I could go one. But why? You don't care.

The US Soccer Develoment Academy is not a school of learning. It's just club soccer. Get over yourself.


The High School soccer season runs from late February to early/mid June depending on playoffs. that is 3 to 4 months not 2 to 3 months.

Many kids play all four years of High School so that is 12 to 16 months away from club soccer over that time of which only Freshman through Junior seasons are truly impactful.

And yes, ECNL painted themselves into a corner by essentially shutting down during the HS season which is great if your kid really wants to play HS. But the cost of ECNL should be reflective and prorated with cutting a season out almost entirely. Getting the gang together for two or three showcases during the HS season is not elite.

Training 6 months out of ten is not an elite league. It is over priced for what you get though. Paying a club 3-4k a year for 6 months out of a possible 10 to let High School do the rest for free.



Long winded response dont make you right.

VHSL 1st practice: 2/24/2020
VHSL 1st contest: 3/16/2020
USDA 1st contest: 3/3/2020
USDA End of Season: 5/19/2020
VHSL REGIONALS - 5/27/2020

VERY FEW TEAMS GET PAST REGIONALS

FEB 24 TO MAY 27 IS 3 MONTHS.

BEGINNING OF JUNE: ECNL practice starts back up for ECNL playoffs at the end of June.

So, as I said before, by time kids are committing to college (beginning of their junior year)DA kids have 6 extra months of club play over their ECNL counterparts who were playing high school during the same time frame.

It wont make a difference. Sorry.



Yawn, anything else.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2019 18:40     Subject: ECNL & DA Nationals Results

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PDA is the real deal. Even if DA is better, the fact that PDA brought home multiple titles says enough. PDA is a super club.

https://www.soccerwire.com/news/ecnl-national-finals-conclude-with-u14-u17-title-matches-in-richmond-va/


PDA is one of those clubs that doesn't need a league. They went back to ECNL because they can charge for two ECNL teams and pull it off. It isn't about any ideological belief in this league versus that league. ECNL gave them two teams and a showcase to host. ANY club takes that deal 10 out of 10 times but not many clubs can demand that kind of a deal.

There are only 5 or so clubs in the nation with that kind of cache though the rest are just not that different than any other club.


They went back to ECNL because players wanted to play high school and the coaches didn’t like having tactics dictated to them from Chicago. The “back to ECNL to charge more money theory” makes no sense. Not every club is a money grubbing cash grab.


I love the revisionist history that claims that ECNL has always been in lock step and in full support of High School Soccer. While never forbidden by the league High School Soccer was always heavily discouraged by ECNL club coaches.

Now ECNL clubs are using HS soccer as a distinction because it suits their needs not because they suddenly see it’s benefits.



Talk about revisionist history.

BEFORE....ECNL played essentially 10 months our of the year (if you include winter training, futsal, etc.) ON TOP OF THAT, they played HS in CONJUNCTION with their club season. It was an over load and caused kids to be overworked. That's why it was discouraged!

NOW, the overload has been fixed. NOW kids DONT play club for 2-3 months every year while they play HS thus removing the overload. However, they still do showcases for college exposure. In Virginia, the ECNL National playoffs occurr at the end of the HS. So they have that as well.

I know people love to say that ECNL kids take off part of the year. However, they absolutely do not. They are still playing the game. Just not in club league format.

Yes, HS soccer is lower quality than ECNL or DA. However, it provides different challenges. A freshman or Sophomore playing Varsity against older kids is tough...even if they are not as "good".

Now check this out....

Most ECNL and DA players are committing to their college of choice after their Sophmore year in HS. At that point in time, a DA player will have 4-6 months of club league soccer over their ECNL counterparts who were playing HS during that time.

I assure you, that total of 4-6 months (combined over 2 years) of club soccer vs HS soccer is not going to separate 16- 17 year olds who have been playing the game for the past 8-9 years of their life.




ECNL painted themselves into a corner with shutting their season down to allow for High School. The message is clear, if you play ECNL you might as play High School soccer because there will be no real club season. The kids are now given the opposite of choice. They almost have to play HS if they want any spring or fall games during the HS season.

What a fantastic solution to go and play in showcases or the ECNL National Championship when the team hasn't played together for the past three months and coming off a very physical HS season to boot.



You are a goof ball. You don't like it? Dont have your kid play it! You think your DA kid has an advantage because they wear a DA patch? They dont.
You think ECNL painted themselves in a corner? They didn't. I laid it out for you. By time kids are getting recruited, the 4 + months of club soccer vs HS soccer doesnt separate them.

Mal Pugh played HS
Rose Lavelle played HS (right Bobby!)
Mia Hamm played HS.

I could go one. But why? You don't care.

The US Soccer Develoment Academy is not a school of learning. It's just club soccer. Get over yourself.


The High School soccer season runs from late February to early/mid June depending on playoffs. that is 3 to 4 months not 2 to 3 months.

Many kids play all four years of High School so that is 12 to 16 months away from club soccer over that time of which only Freshman through Junior seasons are truly impactful.

And yes, ECNL painted themselves into a corner by essentially shutting down during the HS season which is great if your kid really wants to play HS. But the cost of ECNL should be reflective and prorated with cutting a season out almost entirely. Getting the gang together for two or three showcases during the HS season is not elite.

Training 6 months out of ten is not an elite league. It is over priced for what you get though. Paying a club 3-4k a year for 6 months out of a possible 10 to let High School do the rest for free.

Anonymous
Post 07/15/2019 17:49     Subject: ECNL & DA Nationals Results

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PDA is the real deal. Even if DA is better, the fact that PDA brought home multiple titles says enough. PDA is a super club.

https://www.soccerwire.com/news/ecnl-national-finals-conclude-with-u14-u17-title-matches-in-richmond-va/


PDA is one of those clubs that doesn't need a league. They went back to ECNL because they can charge for two ECNL teams and pull it off. It isn't about any ideological belief in this league versus that league. ECNL gave them two teams and a showcase to host. ANY club takes that deal 10 out of 10 times but not many clubs can demand that kind of a deal.

There are only 5 or so clubs in the nation with that kind of cache though the rest are just not that different than any other club.


They went back to ECNL because players wanted to play high school and the coaches didn’t like having tactics dictated to them from Chicago. The “back to ECNL to charge more money theory” makes no sense. Not every club is a money grubbing cash grab.


I love the revisionist history that claims that ECNL has always been in lock step and in full support of High School Soccer. While never forbidden by the league High School Soccer was always heavily discouraged by ECNL club coaches.

Now ECNL clubs are using HS soccer as a distinction because it suits their needs not because they suddenly see it’s benefits.



Talk about revisionist history.

BEFORE....ECNL played essentially 10 months our of the year (if you include winter training, futsal, etc.) ON TOP OF THAT, they played HS in CONJUNCTION with their club season. It was an over load and caused kids to be overworked. That's why it was discouraged!

NOW, the overload has been fixed. NOW kids DONT play club for 2-3 months every year while they play HS thus removing the overload. However, they still do showcases for college exposure. In Virginia, the ECNL National playoffs occurr at the end of the HS. So they have that as well.

I know people love to say that ECNL kids take off part of the year. However, they absolutely do not. They are still playing the game. Just not in club league format.

Yes, HS soccer is lower quality than ECNL or DA. However, it provides different challenges. A freshman or Sophomore playing Varsity against older kids is tough...even if they are not as "good".

Now check this out....

Most ECNL and DA players are committing to their college of choice after their Sophmore year in HS. At that point in time, a DA player will have 4-6 months of club league soccer over their ECNL counterparts who were playing HS during that time.

I assure you, that total of 4-6 months (combined over 2 years) of club soccer vs HS soccer is not going to separate 16- 17 year olds who have been playing the game for the past 8-9 years of their life.




ECNL painted themselves into a corner with shutting their season down to allow for High School. The message is clear, if you play ECNL you might as play High School soccer because there will be no real club season. The kids are now given the opposite of choice. They almost have to play HS if they want any spring or fall games during the HS season.

What a fantastic solution to go and play in showcases or the ECNL National Championship when the team hasn't played together for the past three months and coming off a very physical HS season to boot.



You are a goof ball. You don't like it? Dont have your kid play it! You think your DA kid has an advantage because they wear a DA patch? They dont.
You think ECNL painted themselves in a corner? They didn't. I laid it out for you. By time kids are getting recruited, the 4 + months of club soccer vs HS soccer doesnt separate them.

Mal Pugh played HS
Rose Lavelle played HS (right Bobby!)
Mia Hamm played HS.

I could go one. But why? You don't care.

The US Soccer Develoment Academy is not a school of learning. It's just club soccer. Get over yourself.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2019 17:27     Subject: ECNL & DA Nationals Results

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PDA is the real deal. Even if DA is better, the fact that PDA brought home multiple titles says enough. PDA is a super club.

https://www.soccerwire.com/news/ecnl-national-finals-conclude-with-u14-u17-title-matches-in-richmond-va/


PDA is one of those clubs that doesn't need a league. They went back to ECNL because they can charge for two ECNL teams and pull it off. It isn't about any ideological belief in this league versus that league. ECNL gave them two teams and a showcase to host. ANY club takes that deal 10 out of 10 times but not many clubs can demand that kind of a deal.

There are only 5 or so clubs in the nation with that kind of cache though the rest are just not that different than any other club.


They went back to ECNL because players wanted to play high school and the coaches didn’t like having tactics dictated to them from Chicago. The “back to ECNL to charge more money theory” makes no sense. Not every club is a money grubbing cash grab.


I love the revisionist history that claims that ECNL has always been in lock step and in full support of High School Soccer. While never forbidden by the league High School Soccer was always heavily discouraged by ECNL club coaches.

Now ECNL clubs are using HS soccer as a distinction because it suits their needs not because they suddenly see it’s benefits.



Talk about revisionist history.

BEFORE....ECNL played essentially 10 months our of the year (if you include winter training, futsal, etc.) ON TOP OF THAT, they played HS in CONJUNCTION with their club season. It was an over load and caused kids to be overworked. That's why it was discouraged!

NOW, the overload has been fixed. NOW kids DONT play club for 2-3 months every year while they play HS thus removing the overload. However, they still do showcases for college exposure. In Virginia, the ECNL National playoffs occurr at the end of the HS. So they have that as well.

I know people love to say that ECNL kids take off part of the year. However, they absolutely do not. They are still playing the game. Just not in club league format.

Yes, HS soccer is lower quality than ECNL or DA. However, it provides different challenges. A freshman or Sophomore playing Varsity against older kids is tough...even if they are not as "good".

Now check this out....

Most ECNL and DA players are committing to their college of choice after their Sophmore year in HS. At that point in time, a DA player will have 4-6 months of club league soccer over their ECNL counterparts who were playing HS during that time.

I assure you, that total of 4-6 months (combined over 2 years) of club soccer vs HS soccer is not going to separate 16- 17 year olds who have been playing the game for the past 8-9 years of their life.




ECNL painted themselves into a corner with shutting their season down to allow for High School. The message is clear, if you play ECNL you might as play High School soccer because there will be no real club season. The kids are now given the opposite of choice. They almost have to play HS if they want any spring or fall games during the HS season.

What a fantastic solution to go and play in showcases or the ECNL National Championship when the team hasn't played together for the past three months and coming off a very physical HS season to boot.

Anonymous
Post 07/15/2019 16:50     Subject: ECNL & DA Nationals Results

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PDA is the real deal. Even if DA is better, the fact that PDA brought home multiple titles says enough. PDA is a super club.

https://www.soccerwire.com/news/ecnl-national-finals-conclude-with-u14-u17-title-matches-in-richmond-va/


PDA is one of those clubs that doesn't need a league. They went back to ECNL because they can charge for two ECNL teams and pull it off. It isn't about any ideological belief in this league versus that league. ECNL gave them two teams and a showcase to host. ANY club takes that deal 10 out of 10 times but not many clubs can demand that kind of a deal.

There are only 5 or so clubs in the nation with that kind of cache though the rest are just not that different than any other club.


They went back to ECNL because players wanted to play high school and the coaches didn’t like having tactics dictated to them from Chicago. The “back to ECNL to charge more money theory” makes no sense. Not every club is a money grubbing cash grab.


I love the revisionist history that claims that ECNL has always been in lock step and in full support of High School Soccer. While never forbidden by the league High School Soccer was always heavily discouraged by ECNL club coaches.

Now ECNL clubs are using HS soccer as a distinction because it suits their needs not because they suddenly see it’s benefits.



Talk about revisionist history.

BEFORE....ECNL played essentially 10 months our of the year (if you include winter training, futsal, etc.) ON TOP OF THAT, they played HS in CONJUNCTION with their club season. It was an over load and caused kids to be overworked. That's why it was discouraged!

NOW, the overload has been fixed. NOW kids DONT play club for 2-3 months every year while they play HS thus removing the overload. However, they still do showcases for college exposure. In Virginia, the ECNL National playoffs occurr at the end of the HS. So they have that as well.

I know people love to say that ECNL kids take off part of the year. However, they absolutely do not. They are still playing the game. Just not in club league format.

Yes, HS soccer is lower quality than ECNL or DA. However, it provides different challenges. A freshman or Sophomore playing Varsity against older kids is tough...even if they are not as "good".

Now check this out....

Most ECNL and DA players are committing to their college of choice after their Sophmore year in HS. At that point in time, a DA player will have 4-6 months of club league soccer over their ECNL counterparts who were playing HS during that time.

I assure you, that total of 4-6 months (combined over 2 years) of club soccer vs HS soccer is not going to separate 16- 17 year olds who have been playing the game for the past 8-9 years of their life.




And of course the ECNL clubs have lowered the price for both the shorter season and for the kids who decide to play HS soccer.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2019 16:36     Subject: ECNL & DA Nationals Results

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PDA is the real deal. Even if DA is better, the fact that PDA brought home multiple titles says enough. PDA is a super club.

https://www.soccerwire.com/news/ecnl-national-finals-conclude-with-u14-u17-title-matches-in-richmond-va/


PDA is one of those clubs that doesn't need a league. They went back to ECNL because they can charge for two ECNL teams and pull it off. It isn't about any ideological belief in this league versus that league. ECNL gave them two teams and a showcase to host. ANY club takes that deal 10 out of 10 times but not many clubs can demand that kind of a deal.

There are only 5 or so clubs in the nation with that kind of cache though the rest are just not that different than any other club.


They went back to ECNL because players wanted to play high school and the coaches didn’t like having tactics dictated to them from Chicago. The “back to ECNL to charge more money theory” makes no sense. Not every club is a money grubbing cash grab.


I love the revisionist history that claims that ECNL has always been in lock step and in full support of High School Soccer. While never forbidden by the league High School Soccer was always heavily discouraged by ECNL club coaches.

Now ECNL clubs are using HS soccer as a distinction because it suits their needs not because they suddenly see it’s benefits.



Talk about revisionist history.

BEFORE....ECNL played essentially 10 months our of the year (if you include winter training, futsal, etc.) ON TOP OF THAT, they played HS in CONJUNCTION with their club season. It was an over load and caused kids to be overworked. That's why it was discouraged!

NOW, the overload has been fixed. NOW kids DONT play club for 2-3 months every year while they play HS thus removing the overload. However, they still do showcases for college exposure. In Virginia, the ECNL National playoffs occurr at the end of the HS. So they have that as well.

I know people love to say that ECNL kids take off part of the year. However, they absolutely do not. They are still playing the game. Just not in club league format.

Yes, HS soccer is lower quality than ECNL or DA. However, it provides different challenges. A freshman or Sophomore playing Varsity against older kids is tough...even if they are not as "good".

Now check this out....

Most ECNL and DA players are committing to their college of choice after their Sophmore year in HS. At that point in time, a DA player will have 4-6 months of club league soccer over their ECNL counterparts who were playing HS during that time.

I assure you, that total of 4-6 months (combined over 2 years) of club soccer vs HS soccer is not going to separate 16- 17 year olds who have been playing the game for the past 8-9 years of their life.


Anonymous
Post 07/15/2019 16:14     Subject: Re:ECNL & DA Nationals Results

Anonymous wrote:And other kids run the risk of giving up high school soccer for nothing of great value to them. Make the best for your player and move on. There is no universal right answer and both of these leagues are pay to play pretend "elite" soccer anyway.


As opposed to what?
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2019 15:36     Subject: Re:ECNL & DA Nationals Results

And other kids run the risk of giving up high school soccer for nothing of great value to them. Make the best for your player and move on. There is no universal right answer and both of these leagues are pay to play pretend "elite" soccer anyway.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2019 15:01     Subject: ECNL & DA Nationals Results

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PDA is the real deal. Even if DA is better, the fact that PDA brought home multiple titles says enough. PDA is a super club.

https://www.soccerwire.com/news/ecnl-national-finals-conclude-with-u14-u17-title-matches-in-richmond-va/


PDA is one of those clubs that doesn't need a league. They went back to ECNL because they can charge for two ECNL teams and pull it off. It isn't about any ideological belief in this league versus that league. ECNL gave them two teams and a showcase to host. ANY club takes that deal 10 out of 10 times but not many clubs can demand that kind of a deal.

There are only 5 or so clubs in the nation with that kind of cache though the rest are just not that different than any other club.


They went back to ECNL because players wanted to play high school and the coaches didn’t like having tactics dictated to them from Chicago. The “back to ECNL to charge more money theory” makes no sense. Not every club is a money grubbing cash grab.


I love the revisionist history that claims that ECNL has always been in lock step and in full support of High School Soccer. While never forbidden by the league High School Soccer was always heavily discouraged by ECNL club coaches.

Now ECNL clubs are using HS soccer as a distinction because it suits their needs not because they suddenly see it’s benefits.


Check out PDA’s scores and rosters last year in the DA. There was clear improvement and different players playing in the spring for the older age groups. They had girls play high school in the fall and then join the DA in the spring. Many ecnl programs discourage high school soccer even today. PDA is not one of them.


They may have the player pool to absorb it but kids run the risk of being outperformed by their replacements and potentially losing their roster spot.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2019 14:43     Subject: ECNL & DA Nationals Results

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:PDA is the real deal. Even if DA is better, the fact that PDA brought home multiple titles says enough. PDA is a super club.

https://www.soccerwire.com/news/ecnl-national-finals-conclude-with-u14-u17-title-matches-in-richmond-va/


PDA is one of those clubs that doesn't need a league. They went back to ECNL because they can charge for two ECNL teams and pull it off. It isn't about any ideological belief in this league versus that league. ECNL gave them two teams and a showcase to host. ANY club takes that deal 10 out of 10 times but not many clubs can demand that kind of a deal.

There are only 5 or so clubs in the nation with that kind of cache though the rest are just not that different than any other club.


They went back to ECNL because players wanted to play high school and the coaches didn’t like having tactics dictated to them from Chicago. The “back to ECNL to charge more money theory” makes no sense. Not every club is a money grubbing cash grab.


I love the revisionist history that claims that ECNL has always been in lock step and in full support of High School Soccer. While never forbidden by the league High School Soccer was always heavily discouraged by ECNL club coaches.

Now ECNL clubs are using HS soccer as a distinction because it suits their needs not because they suddenly see it’s benefits.


Check out PDA’s scores and rosters last year in the DA. There was clear improvement and different players playing in the spring for the older age groups. They had girls play high school in the fall and then join the DA in the spring. Many ecnl programs discourage high school soccer even today. PDA is not one of them.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2019 14:34     Subject: ECNL & DA Nationals Results

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PDA is the real deal. Even if DA is better, the fact that PDA brought home multiple titles says enough. PDA is a super club.

https://www.soccerwire.com/news/ecnl-national-finals-conclude-with-u14-u17-title-matches-in-richmond-va/


PDA is one of those clubs that doesn't need a league. They went back to ECNL because they can charge for two ECNL teams and pull it off. It isn't about any ideological belief in this league versus that league. ECNL gave them two teams and a showcase to host. ANY club takes that deal 10 out of 10 times but not many clubs can demand that kind of a deal.

There are only 5 or so clubs in the nation with that kind of cache though the rest are just not that different than any other club.


They went back to ECNL because players wanted to play high school and the coaches didn’t like having tactics dictated to them from Chicago. The “back to ECNL to charge more money theory” makes no sense. Not every club is a money grubbing cash grab.


I love the revisionist history that claims that ECNL has always been in lock step and in full support of High School Soccer. While never forbidden by the league High School Soccer was always heavily discouraged by ECNL club coaches.

Now ECNL clubs are using HS soccer as a distinction because it suits their needs not because they suddenly see it’s benefits.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2019 14:02     Subject: ECNL & DA Nationals Results

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are zero super clubs in our region.

Examples of a super club would be:

HAWKS
STARS
PDA
CASL
TOPHAT
SURF
REAL COLORADO

It's all about geographical dominance via locking down the area. Essentially creating a monopoly. Sucess is a byproduct.


Certainly hard to be a super club when they’re handing out ECNL patches to every Tom, Dick and Harry.


From Baltimore to DC we 10 GDA/ECNL clubs so about 200 “elite” players per age group. Not that many elite players per age group. And don’t forget pipeline! That would make 11 elite teams right pipeline dad.


Or DA patches like Metro United, Arlington, Long Island, Albertson, PA Classics. NYSC, every single Florida team. I could go on but you get my point.


In this area VDA provides the easy comparison. They were very weak in the DA and now better than average in the ECNL. Do I need to hold your hand through this one? GDA >>> ECNL. In the mid-atlantic and everywhere else.


Not at all... In the Northeast, ECNL is much stronger (PDA, FC Stars, World Class)... NEFC is the top GDA club in the NE (check out some of the 7-0, 8-0, 9-0 scorelines with the Long Island GDA teams) and they would jump ship in a hot second if they could move to ECNL.


You don't play in the North East Conference.


I don't, but my kid does.... Just responding to the comment that "GDA>>>ECNL. In the mid-atlantic and everywhere else" It's just not the case.


The "everywhere else" has been pretty debunked. ECNL and GDA strength is very much region by region, of that there is no dispute.

The Mid Atlantic in ECNL is weak. The Mid Atlantic in GDA is stronger than MA ECNL but far from as strong as ECNL North East Conference.


Bobby and Diane would be proud of you.

Maybe they'll give you a discount.


This is a good one here.

They’re both weak. How did Mid Atlantic DA do at the playoffs? Pretty bad just like MA ECNL did.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2019 14:00     Subject: ECNL & DA Nationals Results

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PDA is the real deal. Even if DA is better, the fact that PDA brought home multiple titles says enough. PDA is a super club.

https://www.soccerwire.com/news/ecnl-national-finals-conclude-with-u14-u17-title-matches-in-richmond-va/


PDA is one of those clubs that doesn't need a league. They went back to ECNL because they can charge for two ECNL teams and pull it off. It isn't about any ideological belief in this league versus that league. ECNL gave them two teams and a showcase to host. ANY club takes that deal 10 out of 10 times but not many clubs can demand that kind of a deal.

There are only 5 or so clubs in the nation with that kind of cache though the rest are just not that different than any other club.


They went back to ECNL because players wanted to play high school and the coaches didn’t like having tactics dictated to them from Chicago. The “back to ECNL to charge more money theory” makes no sense. Not every club is a money grubbing cash grab.