Anonymous
05/28/2019 16:06
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So the plantation used to be worked by slaves and then not. Some of the original slavery era structures are on the property. The house is lovely. It seems like a tone deaf choice for a wedding venue in 2019. What do feel about plantation venue for a wedding? Is it just me?
I don't see the issue, either. (Full disclosure: I'm white). I respect others may feel strongly otherwise. But, there are many horribly, brutally racist places in the world. Should kids not go to formerly racist colleges (or less racist now)? What about being married in a Catholic Church (home to decades long Pedophilia cover ups)?
Yes, the history is horrific. But, as long as it's not covered up (e.g., like Mount Vernon, imo), I don't see the problem. Things change, evolveand you can "Take back" something previously ugly and turn it to something more positive.
Slavery may have pervaded institutions but the plantation system was the actual institution of slavery, so yes there is a difference.
Anonymous
05/28/2019 15:54
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So the plantation used to be worked by slaves and then not. Some of the original slavery era structures are on the property. The house is lovely. It seems like a tone deaf choice for a wedding venue in 2019. What do feel about plantation venue for a wedding? Is it just me?
I don't see the issue, either. (Full disclosure: I'm white). I respect others may feel strongly otherwise. But, there are many horribly, brutally racist places in the world. Should kids not go to formerly racist colleges (or less racist now)? What about being married in a Catholic Church (home to decades long Pedophilia cover ups)?
Yes, the history is horrific. But, as long as it's not covered up (e.g., like Mount Vernon, imo), I don't see the problem. Things change, evolveand you can "Take back" something previously ugly and turn it to something more positive.
I see your point, but there is still just something very wrong feeling. It would be like holding a party at Auschwitz or Dachau. It just has a huge ick factor
Anonymous
05/28/2019 15:51
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t make slavery okay but a lot of slaves were treated well. And as horrible as we see it today, it was more just a fact of life and part of the economy back then. Some of those old plantation homes are beautiful and capture a brief era of American history. I think it’s important to preserve all parts of our history so that we can learn from it. Serving as a venue is how many of these places are able to remain preserved and open.
How is being forced to work for free being treated well. Some of you are in serious denial and very ignorant.
It wasn't for free. They got taken care of cradle to grave - food clothing, shelter, medical treatment. I'm not saying it's right, but they did get something.
PP should have left off "for free." That's irrelevant. They were forced to work. That is a violation of human rights.
Anonymous
05/28/2019 15:42
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:So the plantation used to be worked by slaves and then not. Some of the original slavery era structures are on the property. The house is lovely. It seems like a tone deaf choice for a wedding venue in 2019. What do feel about plantation venue for a wedding? Is it just me?
I don't see the issue, either. (Full disclosure: I'm white). I respect others may feel strongly otherwise. But, there are many horribly, brutally racist places in the world. Should kids not go to formerly racist colleges (or less racist now)? What about being married in a Catholic Church (home to decades long Pedophilia cover ups)?
Yes, the history is horrific. But, as long as it's not covered up (e.g., like Mount Vernon, imo), I don't see the problem. Things change, evolveand you can "Take back" something previously ugly and turn it to something more positive.
Anonymous
05/28/2019 10:52
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Is there a PC app for this kind of thing?
I dunno. Is opposing slavery now too "PC" for conservatives? Is the 14th Amendment too "PC"?
I want to know how far you intend to edgelord.
Anonymous
05/28/2019 10:49
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Is there a PC app for this kind of thing?
Anonymous
05/28/2019 10:43
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t make slavery okay but a lot of slaves were treated well. And as horrible as we see it today, it was more just a fact of life and part of the economy back then. Some of those old plantation homes are beautiful and capture a brief era of American history. I think it’s important to preserve all parts of our history so that we can learn from it. Serving as a venue is how many of these places are able to remain preserved and open.
How is being forced to work for free being treated well. Some of you are in serious denial and very ignorant.
It wasn't for free. They got taken care of cradle to grave - food clothing, shelter, medical treatment. I'm not saying it's right, but they did get something.
Here's how bad slavery was: George Washington's personal chef - Hercules - ran away to freedom while Washington was still the POTUS. Chef Hercules was beloved by the Washington family and greatly lauded for his cooking artistry.
However, being a slave was still so bad - even for the chef of the first President of United States - that he absconded to freedom.
Fascinating read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_(chef)
So, how bad do you think it was for other slaves?
Anonymous
05/28/2019 10:33
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t make slavery okay but a lot of slaves were treated well. And as horrible as we see it today, it was more just a fact of life and part of the economy back then. Some of those old plantation homes are beautiful and capture a brief era of American history. I think it’s important to preserve all parts of our history so that we can learn from it. Serving as a venue is how many of these places are able to remain preserved and open.
How is being forced to work for free being treated well. Some of you are in serious denial and very ignorant.
It wasn't for free. They got taken care of cradle to grave - food clothing, shelter, medical treatment. I'm not saying it's right, but they did get something.
I'd encourage you to read some scholarly literature about slavery and/or slave narratives. Many Thousands Gone is a comprehensive history. Narrative of Frederick Douglass is a classic that should be required reading for every American student. Not every slave was beaten or tortured or murdered, but every slave made choices within a society that threatened violence and denied them the legal personhood that protects against oppression.
Anonymous
05/28/2019 10:26
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t make slavery okay but a lot of slaves were treated well. And as horrible as we see it today, it was more just a fact of life and part of the economy back then. Some of those old plantation homes are beautiful and capture a brief era of American history. I think it’s important to preserve all parts of our history so that we can learn from it. Serving as a venue is how many of these places are able to remain preserved and open.
How is being forced to work for free being treated well. Some of you are in serious denial and very ignorant.
Someone's been reading TX history books.
Anonymous
05/28/2019 10:25
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t make slavery okay but a lot of slaves were treated well. And as horrible as we see it today, it was more just a fact of life and part of the economy back then. Some of those old plantation homes are beautiful and capture a brief era of American history. I think it’s important to preserve all parts of our history so that we can learn from it. Serving as a venue is how many of these places are able to remain preserved and open.
How is being forced to work for free being treated well. Some of you are in serious denial and very ignorant.
It wasn't for free. They got taken care of cradle to grave - food clothing, shelter, medical treatment. I'm not saying it's right, but they did get something.
Anonymous
05/27/2019 17:38
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t make slavery okay but a lot of slaves were treated well. And as horrible as we see it today, it was more just a fact of life and part of the economy back then. Some of those old plantation homes are beautiful and capture a brief era of American history. I think it’s important to preserve all parts of our history so that we can learn from it. Serving as a venue is how many of these places are able to remain preserved and open.
How is being forced to work for free being treated well. Some of you are in serious denial and very ignorant.
Anonymous
05/27/2019 14:06
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Add Georgetown university and UVA to the list. Don't let you kids attend or get married there.
Anonymous
05/27/2019 09:54
Subject: Re:Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Should you avoid sending your children to these schools?
"Profits from slavery and related industries helped fund some of the most prestigious schools in the Northeast, including Harvard, Columbia, Princeton and Yale. And in many southern states — including the University of Virginia — enslaved people built college campuses and served faculty and students."
https://www.apmreports.org/story/2017/09/04/shackled-legacy
+1.
Say NO to college.
Anonymous
05/27/2019 09:50
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t make slavery okay but a lot of slaves were treated well. And as horrible as we see it today, it was more just a fact of life and part of the economy back then. Some of those old plantation homes are beautiful and capture a brief era of American history. I think it’s important to preserve all parts of our history so that we can learn from it. Serving as a venue is how many of these places are able to remain preserved and open.
Go to bed, Aunt Becky. You’re drunk.
Anonymous
05/27/2019 07:50
Subject: Re:Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't decline as a way of virtue signaling. But, I would silently acknowledge the property's sacredness, say a prayer and think about those that suffered. I would offer a donation while there.
I would not have my wedding at a plantation out of respect for my black friends and their ancestors. Didn't read entire thread, I'm sure it's heated. If OP has plans to book a plantation, my recommendation would be to forgo wedding gifts and ask that a donation be made to the historical organization that manages the site. It is probably used for educational purposes. If you decide against this, make a donation yourselves.
Yes. Absolutely no smiling or celebrating. All should sit in solemn silence, in remembrance of the past. Make sure to tell the DJ- don’t want him cranking out “September” and gettin’ a party started now...