Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 13:10     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do you get this excited about people who pursue fertility treatments instead of adopting? Or, basically anyone who has a biological child instead of adopting? There are HUMANS who need homes too. Do you ask New parents why they decided to have biological children instead of adopt a kid?


I would discourage humans from breeding other humans so they could buy from other humans the exact human that they wanted. Yes.


Effing thank you. People who are trying to do the whole "why have biological kids when you can adopt" schtick are ridiculous. There is no comparison. Not even close.


It is exactly the same thing. A dog is a dog, get a rescue. A child is a child, don't give birth to your own, adopt one of the many needing homes. You are refusing to even consider that people have both requirements and preferences that drive their choices in life. Stop being stupid. Seriously. Twenty pages and you have not made one single person see your way. It's pretty rare when DCUM comes together in agreement, and you should see that in this case. You are militant and your holier than thou attitude is ridiculously misplaced.


You do realize that there is more than one person on this thread who is anti-breeder, right? It’s not the OP versus everybody else.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 13:07     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The minute someone starts talking about how lovable pit mixes are, they lose credibility. There are legitimate safety reasons to not want a pit or pit mix.


It's all about when you get them and the training. We adopted a young (four month old) pit/lab mix from a DC area shelter and she ended up being the most wonderful dog we've ever had. So sweet and gentle and lovable and just fantastic with kids. Lived to be 14 and never gave us a second of trouble or the slightest hit of aggression. You could stick your face in her bowl while she was eating and she'd just lick you. Boy did we love that dog. I'd take her over a designer dog any day.

I understand the concern about pit mixes when you don't know the history. But I'm going on actual experience and not what I read in the papers.


And I am basing my decision based the experience of a 30+ year ER doctor. Not one dog.


Your experience and mine are not mutually exclusive. You never adopted a young pit mix and trained it properly. And I have a hunch that the people you saw in the ER didn’t either.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 13:03     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Someone keeps saying 600K+ dogs are put down annually. If we removed from those counts, the sick animals, the bad-tempered animals, the pit mixes, I wonder what the real # would be. My guess is WAY significantly less. So instead of attacking the people who don't want to rescue, attack the asshats who have caused this mess - the irresponsible owners of breeds no one wants.


Forgive me for not just taking your word on it that your numbers are correct, or that your definition of “undesirable“ animals is shared by all either.


They aren't my numbers and what I did wonder, again, was stated it was based on a guess. (Anyone not blinded by your same passion can see that "pit mix" is the overwhelming descriptor used in sheltered animals.)

Also, pretty much everyone on this thread who have specified what they don't want has agreed on the undesirable - pit mixes and other aggressive breeds. Are you doing anything to lessen the numbers of those specific breeds overwhelming the system? The ones you desperately want us to take in to our homes?
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 13:02     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do you get this excited about people who pursue fertility treatments instead of adopting? Or, basically anyone who has a biological child instead of adopting? There are HUMANS who need homes too. Do you ask New parents why they decided to have biological children instead of adopt a kid?


I would discourage humans from breeding other humans so they could buy from other humans the exact human that they wanted. Yes.


Effing thank you. People who are trying to do the whole "why have biological kids when you can adopt" schtick are ridiculous. There is no comparison. Not even close.


It is exactly the same thing. A dog is a dog, get a rescue. A child is a child, don't give birth to your own, adopt one of the many needing homes. You are refusing to even consider that people have both requirements and preferences that drive their choices in life. Stop being stupid. Seriously. Twenty pages and you have not made one single person see your way. It's pretty rare when DCUM comes together in agreement, and you should see that in this case. You are militant and your holier than thou attitude is ridiculously misplaced.


No. This is the correct comparison. Not your drivel.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 12:52     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do you get this excited about people who pursue fertility treatments instead of adopting? Or, basically anyone who has a biological child instead of adopting? There are HUMANS who need homes too. Do you ask New parents why they decided to have biological children instead of adopt a kid?


I would discourage humans from breeding other humans so they could buy from other humans the exact human that they wanted. Yes.


Effing thank you. People who are trying to do the whole "why have biological kids when you can adopt" schtick are ridiculous. There is no comparison. Not even close.


It is exactly the same thing. A dog is a dog, get a rescue. A child is a child, don't give birth to your own, adopt one of the many needing homes. You are refusing to even consider that people have both requirements and preferences that drive their choices in life. Stop being stupid. Seriously. Twenty pages and you have not made one single person see your way. It's pretty rare when DCUM comes together in agreement, and you should see that in this case. You are militant and your holier than thou attitude is ridiculously misplaced.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 12:52     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The minute someone starts talking about how lovable pit mixes are, they lose credibility. There are legitimate safety reasons to not want a pit or pit mix.


It's all about when you get them and the training. We adopted a young (four month old) pit/lab mix from a DC area shelter and she ended up being the most wonderful dog we've ever had. So sweet and gentle and lovable and just fantastic with kids. Lived to be 14 and never gave us a second of trouble or the slightest hit of aggression. You could stick your face in her bowl while she was eating and she'd just lick you. Boy did we love that dog. I'd take her over a designer dog any day.

I understand the concern about pit mixes when you don't know the history. But I'm going on actual experience and not what I read in the papers.


And I am basing my decision based the experience of a 30+ year ER doctor. Not one dog.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 12:49     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:Someone keeps saying 600K+ dogs are put down annually. If we removed from those counts, the sick animals, the bad-tempered animals, the pit mixes, I wonder what the real # would be. My guess is WAY significantly less. So instead of attacking the people who don't want to rescue, attack the asshats who have caused this mess - the irresponsible owners of breeds no one wants.


Forgive me for not just taking your word on it that your numbers are correct, or that your definition of “undesirable“ animals is shared by all either.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 11:58     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Someone keeps saying 600K+ dogs are put down annually. If we removed from those counts, the sick animals, the bad-tempered animals, the pit mixes, I wonder what the real # would be. My guess is WAY significantly less. So instead of attacking the people who don't want to rescue, attack the asshats who have caused this mess - the irresponsible owners of breeds no one wants.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 11:27     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:The minute someone starts talking about how lovable pit mixes are, they lose credibility. There are legitimate safety reasons to not want a pit or pit mix.


It's all about when you get them and the training. We adopted a young (four month old) pit/lab mix from a DC area shelter and she ended up being the most wonderful dog we've ever had. So sweet and gentle and lovable and just fantastic with kids. Lived to be 14 and never gave us a second of trouble or the slightest hit of aggression. You could stick your face in her bowl while she was eating and she'd just lick you. Boy did we love that dog. I'd take her over a designer dog any day.

I understand the concern about pit mixes when you don't know the history. But I'm going on actual experience and not what I read in the papers.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 10:49     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
The minute someone starts talking about how lovable pit mixes are, they lose credibility. There are legitimate safety reasons to not want a pit or pit mix.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 09:26     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:1) Because the rescue market has created some strange incentives, and it’s not as straightforward a transaction as it may seem.

2). Because I prefer to minimize the variables by getting a breed of dog I’ve selected after doing research on what’s best for our family.


This. I also research the heck out of breeders. There is no guarantee with any dog, but you have a lot more knowledge with a puppy from a reputable breeder about the likely temperament, its genetic history, what its earliest life was like, and so on.


This

BTW, I'm against buying any kind of doodles, they are mutts, so nothing is predictable about those dogs


This also. Quite frankly, I don't like dogs very much and only got one so my kids' sake. I wanted to know what I was getting temperament wise. I didn't want to take a risk and end up having a dog I wanted to get rid of. Everyone I know when a rescue dog ended up with a lab mix that turned into a pit mix. I'm not willing to own a dog that's part pit, I think they're dangerous.


If there's one thing worse than someone who buys from a breeder, it's someone who buys from a breeder when they don't even like dogs. This is really sad. I feel so sorry for your designer dog.

Pit mixes are the most lovable dog around, fyi.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 08:42     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do you get this excited about people who pursue fertility treatments instead of adopting? Or, basically anyone who has a biological child instead of adopting? There are HUMANS who need homes too. Do you ask New parents why they decided to have biological children instead of adopt a kid?


I would discourage humans from breeding other humans so they could buy from other humans the exact human that they wanted. Yes.


Effing thank you. People who are trying to do the whole "why have biological kids when you can adopt" schtick are ridiculous. There is no comparison. Not even close.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 08:25     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:1) Because the rescue market has created some strange incentives, and it’s not as straightforward a transaction as it may seem.

2). Because I prefer to minimize the variables by getting a breed of dog I’ve selected after doing research on what’s best for our family.


This. I also research the heck out of breeders. There is no guarantee with any dog, but you have a lot more knowledge with a puppy from a reputable breeder about the likely temperament, its genetic history, what its earliest life was like, and so on.


This

BTW, I'm against buying any kind of doodles, they are mutts, so nothing is predictable about those dogs


This also. Quite frankly, I don't like dogs very much and only got one so my kids' sake. I wanted to know what I was getting temperament wise. I didn't want to take a risk and end up having a dog I wanted to get rid of. Everyone I know when a rescue dog ended up with a lab mix that turned into a pit mix. I'm not willing to own a dog that's part pit, I think they're dangerous.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 08:20     Subject: Re:How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:Because we have had German Shepherds in our family for the past 40 years and most of the German Shepherds found in shelters/rescues are unsound and would not make good family pets. So, we have gotten 4 German Shepherds from breeders over the past 40 years.

I currently have a 14-year-old spaniel-pointer mix that I got from Lost Dog and Cat Rescue about 10 years ago, but I am excited about getting a German Shepherd puppy from a breeder once our current dog passes on. As much as I love my spaniel mix, he is nothing like a Shepherd.


+1 German Shepherds are the most wonderful dogs of all if gotten from a responsible breeder who values preserving traits such as drive, dedication, loyalty.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 01:33     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
You are digging yourself in deeper, OP. You might as well stop. You've been shown for what you really are.

I'm going to sleep, in any event. Kindly continue wildly frothing.