Anonymous
Post 11/29/2018 22:02     Subject: Arlington DA
Reading all these posts makes me side with my Arlington coach who told me full DA will make it more difficult to get on turf over garbage like Fields. I trust him. Ask your coach people.
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2018 21:12     Subject: Arlington DA
Anonymous wrote:If Arlington adds another DA team, where are all of the teams going to find field space to practice?



Click bait
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2018 21:05     Subject: Arlington DA
If Arlington adds another DA team, where are all of the teams going to find field space to practice?

Anonymous
Post 11/29/2018 16:44     Subject: Re:Arlington DA
U17 girls only have 2 teams
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2018 15:25     Subject: Re:Arlington DA
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For example, here is the Arlington U12 age groups for both boys and girls:

BOYS:
DA
Red
White
Blue
Black
Silver
6 Teams

GIRLS:
Red
White
Blue
Black
Silver
Gold
6 Teams

Having a Boys DA team at U12 did not add another boys team. Understand this and you will be fine.


In the DA, the U12 age group consists of 2 teams of 9v9. It's the same at every club. That's just the way the DA is structured. That's why Arlington's U12 DA roster has 28 players, which is 14 per team for 2 teams of 9v9 (http://asas.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7401056).

So there are actually 7 boys teams and 6 girls teams in that age group.

Helps to have your facts straight before you decide to get snarky.







26 players as part of a player pool that will get knocked down to the 20 or so players at U13. They are only treated as two teams on game day simply because it is 9v9.

Please point to me the "two teams" you speak of according to US Soccer:
http://asas.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7401056


LOL, you are hopeless.

There are 28 (not 26) players that train as an academy. On game days they have two rosters of 14 each. The rosters are fluid from week to week to allow for player movement between teams. The reality is as the previous poster said, that is the equivalent of 2 teams. Treating them as one as part of your field space math is asinine.

Are you really claiming the U12 DA with it's 28 players gets the same field space per week as the 14 players on the U12 Red team? Of course not. The U12 DA gets the same as the U12 Red + U12 White combined.





28, why not make it 30? It doesn't matter, they train together and are considered a player/pool for U13 the following year. And so what, that has not matriculated into the older age groups. That is how DA is supposed to work. The 8 or so kids that don't make DA at U13 will either stay and join Red or leave the club, thus bumping kids down until ultimately that trickles down to kids who are cut from travel.

The end result is still DA costing 1 hour a week of practice and 10 extra kids at U12. Big deal.
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2018 15:23     Subject: Arlington DA
Anonymous wrote:Instead of crying about DA, maybe you should be crying about the fact that ASA has the nerve to have 6-7 travel teams in one age group.


I'm not crying about the DA, just disagreeing with the proposition that it will result in less total teams, or that it will not have an impact on the amount of field space available for other teams.

My opinion is that Arlington should get full DA. Because of their location they can draw from a large, diverse and talented player pool, and that will only get stronger for them with DCU moving to Loudoun. I also think they have done a good job with the DA teams they have so far. On the whole, their boys teams are stronger and play better soccer than either Loudoun or VDA, and their girls teams have done very well considering it's their first season.

They currently have the facilities to support a full DA, but not without a trade-off in terms of its effect on other members of the club. To run a full DA on both the girls and boys side, you would need to dedicate a minimum of two full size lighted turf fields 5 nights a week, plus Saturdays, to just the DA teams. DCU, with boys DA U12-19, has the use of one field 5 nights/week, but even with that they only can give their U13/U14 three practices per week instead of the DA-mandated four per week for those age groups. The stated reason for that was lack of field space. They can get away with it because they are an MLS club so their DA status is guaranteed. Other clubs don't get that luxury (as McLean learned when they were originally granted DA status but then had it revoked because of field space issues - https://www.soccerwire.com/news/mclean-youth-soccer-kicked-out-of-development-academy/).

I think it's great that Arlington has that many interested travel players that they can have 6-7 travel teams in one age group. That speaks to the size of their player pool, which is a plus.

Whether they can make it all work from a field space perspective is on them. Maybe they can get Bezos to kick in and sponser their DA teams - build them a field, put the Amazon name on their jerseys, ... why not?
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2018 14:47     Subject: Arlington DA
Instead of crying about DA, maybe you should be crying about the fact that ASA has the nerve to have 6-7 travel teams in one age group.
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2018 14:08     Subject: Re:Arlington DA
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For example, here is the Arlington U12 age groups for both boys and girls:

BOYS:
DA
Red
White
Blue
Black
Silver
6 Teams

GIRLS:
Red
White
Blue
Black
Silver
Gold
6 Teams

Having a Boys DA team at U12 did not add another boys team. Understand this and you will be fine.


In the DA, the U12 age group consists of 2 teams of 9v9. It's the same at every club. That's just the way the DA is structured. That's why Arlington's U12 DA roster has 28 players, which is 14 per team for 2 teams of 9v9 (http://asas.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7401056).

So there are actually 7 boys teams and 6 girls teams in that age group.

Helps to have your facts straight before you decide to get snarky.







26 players as part of a player pool that will get knocked down to the 20 or so players at U13. They are only treated as two teams on game day simply because it is 9v9.

Please point to me the "two teams" you speak of according to US Soccer:
http://asas.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7401056


LOL, you are hopeless.

There are 28 (not 26) players that train as an academy. On game days they have two rosters of 14 each. The rosters are fluid from week to week to allow for player movement between teams. The reality is as the previous poster said, that is the equivalent of 2 teams. Treating them as one as part of your field space math is asinine.

Are you really claiming the U12 DA with it's 28 players gets the same field space per week as the 14 players on the U12 Red team? Of course not. The U12 DA gets the same as the U12 Red + U12 White combined.

Anonymous
Post 11/29/2018 13:00     Subject: Re:Arlington DA
So, at the end of the day by adding DA US Soccer is robbing Arlington a grand total of 1 whole hour per week across all DA eligible age groups and a player pool of 26 kids at U12.



Anonymous
Post 11/29/2018 12:40     Subject: Re:Arlington DA
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For example, here is the Arlington U12 age groups for both boys and girls:

BOYS:
DA
Red
White
Blue
Black
Silver
6 Teams

GIRLS:
Red
White
Blue
Black
Silver
Gold
6 Teams

Having a Boys DA team at U12 did not add another boys team. Understand this and you will be fine.


In the DA, the U12 age group consists of 2 teams of 9v9. It's the same at every club. That's just the way the DA is structured. That's why Arlington's U12 DA roster has 28 players, which is 14 per team for 2 teams of 9v9 (http://asas.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7401056).

So there are actually 7 boys teams and 6 girls teams in that age group.

Helps to have your facts straight before you decide to get snarky.







26 players as part of a player pool that will get knocked down to the 20 or so players at U13. They are only treated as two teams on game day simply because it is 9v9.

Please point to me the "two teams" you speak of according to US Soccer:
http://asas.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7401056
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2018 12:34     Subject: Arlington DA
Anonymous wrote:U12 is a bad example to make your point because U12 Boys DA has 26 players. When they play games, there are 2 games, so in effect it is equivalent to two teams (hence they did add a team).

Also, look at practice field distribution. Six girls team use 1 field for practice. 5 Boys teams (non-DA) use 1 field for practice. DA uses a half field for practice (maybe it's a full field, but it's at least a half). So by adding DA, ASA needed to add a minimum of a half field per U12 practice session.


6 teams is 6 teams.

U13
5 teams each for both boys and girls. Total of 10 teams including DA

U14
4 teams each for both boys and girls. Total of 8 teams including DA

U15
4 teams each for both boys and girls. Total of 8 teams including DA

U16
3 teams each for both boys and girls. Total of 6 teams including Pre DA

U17
3 teams each for both boys and girls. Total of 6 teams

U18
2 teams each for boys and 1 team for girls. Total of 3 teams

U19
1 team each for boys and 2 teams for girls. Total of 3 teams

These are the facts. DA is not adding MORE teams/players, just Better players.
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2018 12:25     Subject: Re:Arlington DA
Anonymous wrote:For example, here is the Arlington U12 age groups for both boys and girls:

BOYS:
DA
Red
White
Blue
Black
Silver
6 Teams

GIRLS:
Red
White
Blue
Black
Silver
Gold
6 Teams

Having a Boys DA team at U12 did not add another boys team. Understand this and you will be fine.


In the DA, the U12 age group consists of 2 teams of 9v9. It's the same at every club. That's just the way the DA is structured. That's why Arlington's U12 DA roster has 28 players, which is 14 per team for 2 teams of 9v9 (http://asas.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7401056).

So there are actually 7 boys teams and 6 girls teams in that age group.

Helps to have your facts straight before you decide to get snarky.





Anonymous
Post 11/29/2018 12:20     Subject: Arlington DA
U12 is a bad example to make your point because U12 Boys DA has 26 players. When they play games, there are 2 games, so in effect it is equivalent to two teams (hence they did add a team).

Also, look at practice field distribution. Six girls team use 1 field for practice. 5 Boys teams (non-DA) use 1 field for practice. DA uses a half field for practice (maybe it's a full field, but it's at least a half). So by adding DA, ASA needed to add a minimum of a half field per U12 practice session.
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2018 11:46     Subject: Re:Arlington DA
For example, here is the Arlington U12 age groups for both boys and girls:

BOYS:
DA
Red
White
Blue
Black
Silver
6 Teams

GIRLS:
Red
White
Blue
Black
Silver
Gold
6 Teams

Having a Boys DA team at U12 did not add another boys team. Understand this and you will be fine.
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2018 11:20     Subject: Arlington DA
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:With partial boys and girls DA, without any DA, or with full DA, the # of travel players ASA serves is all going to be very similar. It is built into the planning and budget. There will be more practices now with the coming full DA and future split age groups, and on premium field resources, then in the past, and this is the future FBOFW. Anyone saying otherwise is lieing to you. The lower travel, ADP, and rec players will be impacted.


For the sake of an honest conversation, let's stick to the facts. This is not a debate class.

5 teams x4 practices = 20 practices a week.

No amount of debate changes that.

7 teams x 3 practices = 21 practices a week.

No amount of debate changes that.


No, U13 - U19

With Full DA
5 teams 4x/week = 20 practices, 30 hours
16 teams 3x/week = 48 practices 72 hours
Total practices/week = 68
Total teams = 21
Total hours = 102/week

Without DA
Total Teams = 23
Total Practices/week = 69
Total Hours/week = 103

A full DA program will have robbed a grand total of 1 whole hour per week across all DA eligible age groups.


No one is arguing the basic math, but I think your basic assumption about the number of teams is wrong, for a couple of reasons. First, why would Arlington drop a team in the combined age group? For next year we are talking 04-03, which will be the U16/17 age group in DA in the 2019-20 season. Currently, on the boys side Arlington has four 04 teams (DA + Red-Blue-White), and three 03 teams (Red-Blue-White). When they take the best of the 04DA and 03Red teams to make the 04/03 DA team, what happens to the rest of those players? Most of the ones who don't make the cut will be 04s, but the club won't want to lose them because they'll need them to move back up to the DA team during their U17 year. So they'll move them to 04 Red, push some Red to White, and some White to Blue. So you're saying on top of all this they're going to drop the Blue team entirely? Sorry but I just don't see any reason why they would do that. So at a minimum you would have 6 travel teams in the 04 and 03 age groups, the same number as there are U16 & U17 teams now.

The second factor you are missing is the number of players who will come or stay at Arlington just because of the DA. For example, the boys 04 team only has 3 of its 18 players who are actually from Arlington. If the 03s get DA status (again) next year, they will attract more players to the program. Beyond a doubt not all of the existing 03 Red players will make the 03/04 DA team. So what will they do if they have enough paying players to fill the DA plus Red-White-Blue travel teams next year? Turn them away? I don't think so. More likely they will end up with one U16-17 DA team, and then Red-White-Blue in both age groups.

A look at the existing age groups shows that the effect of the DA has been to add another team above and on top of the existing travel structure, rather than replace one. The boys U12s have DA + 5 travel teams. U13s are DA + 4. U14s and U15s are each DA + 3. They don't go down to 3 teams until after the DA ages. For the girls in the DA age groups (U13-U15) it is DA + 3, then it drops to 2 teams at the non-DA ages.

Bottom line is that getting DA status grows a travel program, it doesn't shrink it.


A DA program attracts more talented players but it does not mean the actual number of teams will increase.


Exactly. More Arlington players will got cut so the total # of teams stay constant.