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Efforts Jews made on blacks behalf ?? Your existence is owed in part to the efforts those young black men enlisted in a segregated army made on your behalf when it came time to take your relatives out of the Nazi ovens . Not a whole lot of AAs ( if any)are expecting anything in return like you

I understand your frustration with this poster (and I share it), but don't fall into her trap. Historically blacks and Jews were united in their struggle for civil rights. Does that mean that every black person and every Jewish person always supported one another? No, of course not. There have often been conflicts between these communities. But, the Jewish role in the civil rights struggle cannot be overlooked and deserves appreciation and respect. Divide and conquer is one of the most used and most successful strategies of all time. There are many who would love nothing more than to see rifts between Jews and blacks. At a time when both groups face increasing threats, it is more important than ever to not allow such a strategy to succeed.

If Ward 8 is going to change in the ways that Trayon White wants it to change, it will require involvement of all sorts of people: white, Jewish, Muslim, and of course black. Don't fall into the trap of retreating to your corner and drawing lines between groups.

Cmon Steele

First you engaged in whataboutisim (a classic tactic uses by BOTH SIDES when they don't want to address an actual issue)

Trayon White doesn't want Ward 8 to change

Thankfully, gentrification is finally coming and its going to do more good for that ward than White or Barry before him could ever do

Yes less crime, cleaner streets, better and more shopping options are all good things

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's because I am trying to show that there is awful Antisemtism among liberals, too. (This forum is overwhelmingly liberal and we see awful attacks and accusations about prejudice among conservatives.) Trying to deny it and diminish it, as is happening with the White case, is merely allowing it to fester. I try to root it out wherever I see it, and I think it is just as bad on both sides of the aisle, just in different forms.

And I still see that you are not willing to acknowledge that I am concerned by antisemitism and sickened by the display I've seen on this thread. I think your animosity for conservatives is driving YOUR interpretation of me.

And as far as the other Soros links? I don't follow him that much, but any discussion of him would be way off-topic, and I know you don't like that. Maybe a thread for another time.

The two bolded parts make my point. You are interested in showing that there is anti-Semitism among liberals, even if that means that you have to exaggerate or misstate the facts to show anti-Semitism where it does not clearly exist. But, when there is much more obvious anti-Semitism among conservatives, well, that can wait for another time.

I agree that liberals are more antisemetic than conservatives at this point in time. I see eveidence of it on a daily basis. This thread and many of your posts demonstrate this. No I am not going to tell you specifically what in your posts point to anti senetism. It is your overall tone and willingness to excuse others from it as well as the substances of your posts. I am not saying these things to attack you. I am saying it as an observation. You have a double standard when it comes to Jews and Israel and I am not the only one to notice it. Perhaps I too have a double standard when it comes to these types of issues, however, I am pointing it out to you so that you can think about all you have said to justify a blatant anti semite’s actions.

I am one of the PPs who has been pointing out the anti-semitism over the past day or so, and am moderate to liberal. I do not understand how you can make a statement that liberals are more antisemetic than conservatives at this point in time. I know very few conservative jews. Very few.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's because I am trying to show that there is awful Antisemtism among liberals, too. (This forum is overwhelmingly liberal and we see awful attacks and accusations about prejudice among conservatives.) Trying to deny it and diminish it, as is happening with the White case, is merely allowing it to fester. I try to root it out wherever I see it, and I think it is just as bad on both sides of the aisle, just in different forms.

And I still see that you are not willing to acknowledge that I am concerned by antisemitism and sickened by the display I've seen on this thread. I think your animosity for conservatives is driving YOUR interpretation of me.

And as far as the other Soros links? I don't follow him that much, but any discussion of him would be way off-topic, and I know you don't like that. Maybe a thread for another time.

The two bolded parts make my point. You are interested in showing that there is anti-Semitism among liberals, even if that means that you have to exaggerate or misstate the facts to show anti-Semitism where it does not clearly exist. But, when there is much more obvious anti-Semitism among conservatives, well, that can wait for another time.

I agree that liberals are more antisemetic than conservatives at this point in time. I see eveidence of it on a daily basis. This thread and many of your posts demonstrate this. No I am not going to tell you specifically what in your posts point to anti senetism. It is your overall tone and willingness to excuse others from it as well as the substances of your posts. I am not saying these things to attack you. I am saying it as an observation. You have a double standard when it comes to Jews and Israel and I am not the only one to notice it. Perhaps I too have a double standard when it comes to these types of issues, however, I am pointing it out to you so that you can think about all you have said to justify a blatant anti semite’s actions.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Efforts Jews made on blacks behalf ?? Your existence is owed in part to the efforts those young black men enlisted in a segregated army made on your behalf when it came time to take your relatives out of the Nazi ovens . Not a whole lot of AAs ( if any)are expecting anything in return like you

I understand your frustration with this poster (and I share it), but don't fall into her trap. Historically blacks and Jews were united in their struggle for civil rights. Does that mean that every black person and every Jewish person always supported one another? No, of course not. There have often been conflicts between these communities. But, the Jewish role in the civil rights struggle cannot be overlooked and deserves appreciation and respect. Divide and conquer is one of the most used and most successful strategies of all time. There are many who would love nothing more than to see rifts between Jews and blacks. At a time when both groups face increasing threats, it is more important than ever to not allow such a strategy to succeed.

If Ward 8 is going to change in the ways that Trayon White wants it to change, it will require involvement of all sorts of people: white, Jewish, Muslim, and of course black. Don't fall into the trap of retreating to your corner and drawing lines between groups.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's because I am trying to show that there is awful Antisemtism among liberals, too. (This forum is overwhelmingly liberal and we see awful attacks and accusations about prejudice among conservatives.) Trying to deny it and diminish it, as is happening with the White case, is merely allowing it to fester. I try to root it out wherever I see it, and I think it is just as bad on both sides of the aisle, just in different forms.

And I still see that you are not willing to acknowledge that I am concerned by antisemitism and sickened by the display I've seen on this thread. I think your animosity for conservatives is driving YOUR interpretation of me.

And as far as the other Soros links? I don't follow him that much, but any discussion of him would be way off-topic, and I know you don't like that. Maybe a thread for another time.

The two bolded parts make my point. You are interested in showing that there is anti-Semitism among liberals, even if that means that you have to exaggerate or misstate the facts to show anti-Semitism where it does not clearly exist. But, when there is much more obvious anti-Semitism among conservatives, well, that can wait for another time.

I agree that liberals are more antisemetic than conservatives at this point in time. I see eveidence of it on a daily basis. This thread and many of your posts demonstrate this. No I am not going to tell you specifically what in your posts point to anti senetism. It is your overall tone and willingness to excuse others from it as well as the substances of your posts. I am not saying these things to attack you. I am saying it as an observation. You have a double standard when it comes to Jews and Israel and I am not the only one to notice it. Perhaps I too have a double standard when it comes to these types of issues, however, I am pointing it out to you so that you can think about all you have said to justify a blatant anti semite’s actions.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's because I am trying to show that there is awful Antisemtism among liberals, too. (This forum is overwhelmingly liberal and we see awful attacks and accusations about prejudice among conservatives.) Trying to deny it and diminish it, as is happening with the White case, is merely allowing it to fester. I try to root it out wherever I see it, and I think it is just as bad on both sides of the aisle, just in different forms.

And I still see that you are not willing to acknowledge that I am concerned by antisemitism and sickened by the display I've seen on this thread. I think your animosity for conservatives is driving YOUR interpretation of me.

And as far as the other Soros links? I don't follow him that much, but any discussion of him would be way off-topic, and I know you don't like that. Maybe a thread for another time.

The two bolded parts make my point. You are interested in showing that there is anti-Semitism among liberals, even if that means that you have to exaggerate or misstate the facts to show anti-Semitism where it does not clearly exist. But, when there is much more obvious anti-Semitism among conservatives, well, that can wait for another time.

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+ 1 And that is the "soft" form of antisemtism I'm talking about again. Diminishing antisemtism by downplaying the horrors of not only the Holocaust but the 3,000 years of Jewish persecution, murders, slavery, you name it, and chalking up Jews' response to antisemtitsm as a persecution complex. Can you imagine if Jews said that blacks need to stop with their persecution complex? It would rightly be called racist.

And I still haven't heard the PP acknowledge my point how Jews were often the only ones in 1940s NYC who were willing to hire blacks. All this venom against a people who tried - and did! - help black people.

Even by 1940s NYC was huge , this idea that they were the only ones willing to hire AAs is once again an exxagerated claim . Smh

DP, but are you saying that Jews DIDN'T hire African-Americans? Of course there were other people who hired African-Americans. No one us suggesting that ONLY Jews did that. But it was certainly disproportionate.

Thank you for backing me up. This one antisemtitc PP I've been conversing with is getting on my nerves, as she is adamant not to acknowledge the efforts Jews made on blacks' behalf. In fact, she is downright resentful of it. What's that saying.....no good deed goes unpunished? I'm done with her.

Efforts Jews made on blacks behalf ?? Your existence is owed in part to the efforts those young black men enlisted in a segregated army made on your behalf when it came time to take your relatives out of the Nazi ovens . Not a whole lot of AAs ( if any)are expecting anything in return like you

The only thing expected in return is to not be treated with anti-semtism. No one is asking for a medal, or thanks, but it would be nice to not be subjugated as a people to the same thing that African-Americans have been subjugated to in terms of gross misperceptions and propogating racist myths.

Thank you again. (I want to make it clear that I'm not the only one representing this view.)

And you're exactly right. We are not asking for a medal. But to be met with such hostility and prejudice from the very people for whom we have fought to help overcome hostility and prejudice is surreal. The most jaw-dropping example of that was when a poster made reference to "generic code" for Jews to lie! This is at the very core of racism, and to hear it propagated against Jews sickens me, especially coming from a black man.

....and I just saw Jeff's response to the black PP, who has been demonstrating her hostility to Jews. He sided with her, saying he understands the frustration of dealing with me (although there is more than one poster representing my views and thus more than one poster with whom she is engaged) when it is HER venom to Jews that is so apparent.

I'm done. WAY too much antisemitism, or condoning of it, or siding on the side of it, on this thread. Over and out.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's because I am trying to show that there is awful Antisemtism among liberals, too. (This forum is overwhelmingly liberal and we see awful attacks and accusations about prejudice among conservatives.) Trying to deny it and diminish it, as is happening with the White case, is merely allowing it to fester. I try to root it out wherever I see it, and I think it is just as bad on both sides of the aisle, just in different forms.

And I still see that you are not willing to acknowledge that I am concerned by antisemitism and sickened by the display I've seen on this thread. I think your animosity for conservatives is driving YOUR interpretation of me.

And as far as the other Soros links? I don't follow him that much, but any discussion of him would be way off-topic, and I know you don't like that. Maybe a thread for another time.

The two bolded parts make my point. You are interested in showing that there is anti-Semitism among liberals, even if that means that you have to exaggerate or misstate the facts to show anti-Semitism where it does not clearly exist. But, when there is much more obvious anti-Semitism among conservatives, well, that can wait for another time.

no, it's because I don't know much about Soros. But yes, I see no reason to use this thread to start expounding on antisemtitism among conservatives. We've had thread after thread after thread in which conservatives are all berated as racist. It would be nice to have a chance to discuss the racism and antisemtism among liberals, which is what the subject of this thread exposed (although denied).

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's because I am trying to show that there is awful Antisemtism among liberals, too. (This forum is overwhelmingly liberal and we see awful attacks and accusations about prejudice among conservatives.) Trying to deny it and diminish it, as is happening with the White case, is merely allowing it to fester. I try to root it out wherever I see it, and I think it is just as bad on both sides of the aisle, just in different forms.

And I still see that you are not willing to acknowledge that I am concerned by antisemitism and sickened by the display I've seen on this thread. I think your animosity for conservatives is driving YOUR interpretation of me.

And as far as the other Soros links? I don't follow him that much, but any discussion of him would be way off-topic, and I know you don't like that. Maybe a thread for another time.

The two bolded parts make my point. You are interested in showing that there is anti-Semitism among liberals, even if that means that you have to exaggerate or misstate the facts to show anti-Semitism where it does not clearly exist. But, when there is much more obvious anti-Semitism among conservatives, well, that can wait for another time.

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Anonymous wrote:"White American Jews have historically been victims of white supremacy — but we have also benefited, incontrovertibly, from white privilege. We have profited from the entitlements that white privilege affords; our communal success has been tied to its perpetuation. White Jews have been complicit in white privilege because we have gained from it, we have assimilated into its culture and embedded in its structures. From white privilege we have gained our homes, our bank loans, our positions of influence. We have not only embedded in the system but also climbed to its very upper echelons."

"All of this is not to say that Jews haven’t faced, don’t continue to face severe threats — to our status, our safety, our existential rights. Not all that much time has elapsed since the quota systems of the early 20th century, since the Holocaust and the pogroms. Jews across Europe continue to face waves of violent threats and attacks. There have been numerous allegations of anti-Semitic dog-whistles emerging from Trump’s White House."

"But to a large extent, white American Jews have been protected from many U.S. systems of discrimination due to our skin color. We have been privileged by the systems that produced slavery, poll taxes, and mass incarceration. White supremacist groups in the U.S. have made it clear that they view Jews as "other," as "less than," something that's become especially salient in recent months and in the Charlottesville protests."

"However, American culture is structured by many less visible systems of racial inequality - from U.S. policing practices to the unconscious biases present in hiring and housing processes - that certainly privilege white Jews on the basis of skin color alone."

"Anti-Semitism has been present throughout American history, but racism is actually coded into this nation’s constitutional DNA."

— Emma Goldberg Mar 29, 2018 from opinion article in Haaretz

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/after-farrakhan-mallory-confronting-america-s-black-jewish-divide-1.5958910

I suspect Ms Goldberg would earn herself the set hating Jew title which is usually reserved for those whose clear, concise, precise and evidence-based arguments runs counter to the alternate reality that the 'mob' wants to push .

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+ 1 And that is the "soft" form of antisemtism I'm talking about again. Diminishing antisemtism by downplaying the horrors of not only the Holocaust but the 3,000 years of Jewish persecution, murders, slavery, you name it, and chalking up Jews' response to antisemtitsm as a persecution complex. Can you imagine if Jews said that blacks need to stop with their persecution complex? It would rightly be called racist.

And I still haven't heard the PP acknowledge my point how Jews were often the only ones in 1940s NYC who were willing to hire blacks. All this venom against a people who tried - and did! - help black people.

Even by 1940s NYC was huge , this idea that they were the only ones willing to hire AAs is once again an exxagerated claim . Smh

DP, but are you saying that Jews DIDN'T hire African-Americans? Of course there were other people who hired African-Americans. No one us suggesting that ONLY Jews did that. But it was certainly disproportionate.

Thank you for backing me up. This one antisemtitc PP I've been conversing with is getting on my nerves, as she is adamant not to acknowledge the efforts Jews made on blacks' behalf. In fact, she is downright resentful of it. What's that saying.....no good deed goes unpunished? I'm done with her.

Efforts Jews made on blacks behalf ?? Your existence is owed in part to the efforts those young black men enlisted in a segregated army made on your behalf when it came time to take your relatives out of the Nazi ovens . Not a whole lot of AAs ( if any)are expecting anything in return like you

The only thing expected in return is to not be treated with anti-semtism. No one is asking for a medal, or thanks, but it would be nice to not be subjugated as a people to the same thing that African-Americans have been subjugated to in terms of gross misperceptions and propogating racist myths.

Thank you again. (I want to make it clear that I'm not the only one representing this view.)

And you're exactly right. We are not asking for a medal. But to be met with such hostility and prejudice from the very people for whom we have fought to help overcome hostility and prejudice is surreal. The most jaw-dropping example of that was when a poster made reference to "generic code" for Jews to lie! This is at the very core of racism, and to hear it propagated against Jews sickens me, especially coming from a black man.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
+ 1 And that is the "soft" form of antisemtism I'm talking about again. Diminishing antisemtism by downplaying the horrors of not only the Holocaust but the 3,000 years of Jewish persecution, murders, slavery, you name it, and chalking up Jews' response to antisemtitsm as a persecution complex. Can you imagine if Jews said that blacks need to stop with their persecution complex? It would rightly be called racist.

And I still haven't heard the PP acknowledge my point how Jews were often the only ones in 1940s NYC who were willing to hire blacks. All this venom against a people who tried - and did! - help black people.

Even by 1940s NYC was huge , this idea that they were the only ones willing to hire AAs is once again an exxagerated claim . Smh

DP, but are you saying that Jews DIDN'T hire African-Americans? Of course there were other people who hired African-Americans. No one us suggesting that ONLY Jews did that. But it was certainly disproportionate.

Thank you for backing me up. This one antisemtitc PP I've been conversing with is getting on my nerves, as she is adamant not to acknowledge the efforts Jews made on blacks' behalf. In fact, she is downright resentful of it. What's that saying.....no good deed goes unpunished? I'm done with her.

Efforts Jews made on blacks behalf ?? Your existence is owed in part to the efforts those young black men enlisted in a segregated army made on your behalf when it came time to take your relatives out of the Nazi ovens . Not a whole lot of AAs ( if any)are expecting anything in return like you

The only thing expected in return is to not be treated with anti-semtism. No one is asking for a medal, or thanks, but it would be nice to not be subjugated as a people to the same thing that African-Americans have been subjugated to in terms of gross misperceptions and propogating racist myths.

Thank you again. (I want to make it clear that I'm not the only one representing this view.)

And you're exactly right. We are not asking for a medal. But to be met with such hostility and prejudice from the very people for whom we have fought to help overcome hostility and prejudice is surreal. The most jaw-dropping example of that was when a poster made reference to "generic code" for Jews to lie! This is at the very core of racism, and to hear it propagated against Jews sickens me, especially coming from a black man.

Anonymous wrote:That's because I am trying to show that there is awful Antisemtism among liberals, too. (This forum is overwhelmingly liberal and we see awful attacks and accusations about prejudice among conservatives.) Trying to deny it and diminish it, as is happening with the White case, is merely allowing it to fester. I try to root it out wherever I see it, and I think it is just as bad on both sides of the aisle, just in different forms.

And I still see that you are not willing to acknowledge that I am concerned by antisemitism and sickened by the display I've seen on this thread. I think your animosity for conservatives is driving YOUR interpretation of me.

And as far as the other Soros links? I don't follow him that much, but any discussion of him would be way off-topic, and I know you don't like that. Maybe a thread for another time.