Anonymous
Post 03/05/2018 03:14     Subject: Re:8 hours of screaming on a flight
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Anonymous wrote:Tldr. By any chance did that child have special needs? It can sometimes be very difficult to fly with an autistic child. The video looks like something similar that might occur.


I literally could not care less what your diagnosis is. If your child can’t be controlled for 8 hours in public, stay home or drive. I do not care. Not one iota.


disabled people have a right to be in public -- so I couldn't care less about what you think about it.


You know very well this thread is not about whether disabled people have a right to be in public.
Are airplane disturbances caused by disabled people tolerated moreso than they are with healthy, able bodied individuals?
Probably not, unless a child is involved.


This thread is very much about assuming the worse about mothers, children, and disabled children in public. There's zero evidence that the kid screamed for all 8 hours, that the kid was a danger to the flight, that the mother knew in advance what would happen (or that she was even his mother), or that she had any alternative at all to get to the US.


Evidence? There's a video tape, multiple witnesses who have spoken and even a statement from the airline.

You must be the parent of an asshole or multiple little assholes to be in such denial.
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2018 02:40     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:Also was it safe for the kid to be climbing on the seats? He could have gotten hurt if he fell off one of them.


If only.......
Anonymous
Post 03/03/2018 08:26     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
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Anonymous wrote:Mom should have given the child Benadryl also should have offered him something other than an iPad. The child needs to self soothe. Anytime someone talked to the child on the flight he stopped screaming and was listening. I really feel bad for the mother and the child but I don’t think they prepared for the flight. Other toys and soothing objects should of been brought on the plane. Maybe they should of been able to board first to get use to the environment.

Defiantly should not be able to fly again on an 8 hour flight.


I've never really heard the term "self soothe" used for a 4 year old.


Dp- then you live in a hole. Everyone self soothes. Some 4 year olds do it by sucking their thumb, or with a lovey. Adults do it through wine, yoga, exercise, meditation, reading.... it is the learned activity for getting yourself through a stressful situation.


No. I don't live in a hole.


Then you don’t know what self soothing means. It’s one or the other.
Anonymous
Post 03/03/2018 08:19     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
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Anonymous wrote:Mom should have given the child Benadryl also should have offered him something other than an iPad. The child needs to self soothe. Anytime someone talked to the child on the flight he stopped screaming and was listening. I really feel bad for the mother and the child but I don’t think they prepared for the flight. Other toys and soothing objects should of been brought on the plane. Maybe they should of been able to board first to get use to the environment.

Defiantly should not be able to fly again on an 8 hour flight.


I've never really heard the term "self soothe" used for a 4 year old.


Dp- then you live in a hole. Everyone self soothes. Some 4 year olds do it by sucking their thumb, or with a lovey. Adults do it through wine, yoga, exercise, meditation, reading.... it is the learned activity for getting yourself through a stressful situation.


No. I don't live in a hole.
Anonymous
Post 03/03/2018 08:14     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Mom should have given the child Benadryl also should have offered him something other than an iPad. The child needs to self soothe. Anytime someone talked to the child on the flight he stopped screaming and was listening. I really feel bad for the mother and the child but I don’t think they prepared for the flight. Other toys and soothing objects should of been brought on the plane. Maybe they should of been able to board first to get use to the environment.

Defiantly should not be able to fly again on an 8 hour flight.


I've never really heard the term "self soothe" used for a 4 year old.


Dp- then you live in a hole. Everyone self soothes. Some 4 year olds do it by sucking their thumb, or with a lovey. Adults do it through wine, yoga, exercise, meditation, reading.... it is the learned activity for getting yourself through a stressful situation.
Anonymous
Post 03/03/2018 08:08     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
Ugh. Kids suck.
Anonymous
Post 03/03/2018 00:24     Subject: Re:8 hours of screaming on a flight
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Anonymous wrote:Tldr. By any chance did that child have special needs? It can sometimes be very difficult to fly with an autistic child. The video looks like something similar that might occur.


I literally could not care less what your diagnosis is. If your child can’t be controlled for 8 hours in public, stay home or drive. I do not care. Not one iota.

sure, we'll just reschedule our move from one continent to another so as not to upset the snowflakes who are on the flight with us.
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2018 22:36     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
the guy removed the video from his youtube channel. Wonder if mom’s lawyer contacted him.
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2018 21:42     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
Typical that the father wasn't in the picture to help....
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2018 14:23     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
Also was it safe for the kid to be climbing on the seats? He could have gotten hurt if he fell off one of them.
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2018 12:54     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
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Anonymous wrote:it was pretty obvious that the child was special needs. he didn't seem to have any words.


Yes, and the other was aware of this BEFORE boarding the plane. Hopefully the result of the video is that she won’t fly with him again, and others will think twice before doing so. I’m glad the video was shared.


Its public transportation. Kids with special needs are part of the public. They have just as much of a right to be there as you do.


Not if they're a public disturbance, especially for an extended period of time (that goes for everyone - special needs or otherwise).


+1


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You buy a ticket for a seat on a plane. You aren't guaranteed a ride free from disturbances. Kids with SNs are part of society and when they are this young, some can be extremely difficult. Don't like it? Too bad.


You aren't guaranteed a flight at all.

A flight is NOT "public transportation". Aviation is a private industry. There are rules to try to ensure passenger safety, but ultimately the airlines have a code of conduct and can make their own specific rules.

And once they realize that people won't put up with this crap, they will follow the money.

Don't like it? Too bad. Spend that energy parenting your kid instead of just inflicting them on everyone else.


???


What is hard to understand about this? A cross-country flight is not "public transportation" as the PP claimed. Yes, people aren't guaranteed a flight free of disturbances when they pay for their tickets, but a "disturbance" like this one is hardly par for the course. A poorly behaved child (or parent) may have a right to travel on public transportation (owned and/or operated by a government), but they don't have a right to travel on a private airliner. An airline is a company. In order to protect their earnings, each airline has a code of conduct for their flights and passengers have been removed for violating it. The issue in this case is that they didn't remove the child although they should have.


Exactly. If I paid $850 for my ticket somebody should duct tape the kids mouth and physically restrain him.



Hmmmm. How much did the family pay? Your investment is no more a priority than anyone else’s.

I bring ear plugs. Adults are often noisy too. An entire flight of screaming would be very difficult. Imagine the child and parent were the most uncomfortable.
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2018 11:19     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:Mom should have given the child Benadryl also should have offered him something other than an iPad. The child needs to self soothe. Anytime someone talked to the child on the flight he stopped screaming and was listening. I really feel bad for the mother and the child but I don’t think they prepared for the flight. Other toys and soothing objects should of been brought on the plane. Maybe they should of been able to board first to get use to the environment.

Defiantly should not be able to fly again on an 8 hour flight.


I've never really heard the term "self soothe" used for a 4 year old.
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2018 11:05     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
Mom should have given the child Benadryl also should have offered him something other than an iPad. The child needs to self soothe. Anytime someone talked to the child on the flight he stopped screaming and was listening. I really feel bad for the mother and the child but I don’t think they prepared for the flight. Other toys and soothing objects should of been brought on the plane. Maybe they should of been able to board first to get use to the environment.

Defiantly should not be able to fly again on an 8 hour flight.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2018 16:36     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:When I see you and your kids boarding , my stomach sinks.


Great. Nobody cares.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2018 16:34     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
When I see you and your kids boarding , my stomach sinks.