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My daughter is a U14 who is DA/ECNL player. Between trying Super Y twice(U11 and U12), summer training, in season training, and fitness training we (with her approval) did not try ODP at either U12 or U13. I have looked at the U13 and 14 ODP lists, and while some kids are from the ECNL clubs, the majority are not. As stated by other posters, you wont see DA kids at all as that is not allowed. While I do believe that it gives kids a chance to be seen outside their club, an opportunity to learn from other coaches, and an opportunity to train with other quality players, ODP was not one of the extras that we chose to do

not for nothing, ODPs location and times look pretty inconvenient coming from ECNL (BRYC & Mclean). But there are some Loudoun girls so its hard to tell why. Looking at the 2 lists mentioned, its a wonder why the BRYC girls arent more represented at the u13 vs the u14...

TBH, there is only so much time in the day available to go between club, ODP, indoor, futsal, speed & agility, and other sports or school activities they may enjoy...

At least on the girls' side, BRYC's TD and coaches have not (in my experience) been all that supportive of kids doing ODP. Some BRYC players have done it, but not at the club's urging as far as I know. When I asked about it for my daughter several (5+) years ago, they suggested there were better ways to spend our time and money - no major issue with it, but said it was of more value to players coming from other parts of the state where the club-level training environment may not be as strong as it is in some of the clubs in the NoVa area. It's not like they made a big announcement or anything, this was just our experience in talking with them about it. BRYC has had quite a few players participate in US Soccer's National Training Centers over the years (which is free for players selected to participate).

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My daughter is a U14 who is DA/ECNL player. Between trying Super Y twice(U11 and U12), summer training, in season training, and fitness training we (with her approval) did not try ODP at either U12 or U13. I have looked at the U13 and 14 ODP lists, and while some kids are from the ECNL clubs, the majority are not. As stated by other posters, you wont see DA kids at all as that is not allowed. While I do believe that it gives kids a chance to be seen outside their club, an opportunity to learn from other coaches, and an opportunity to train with other quality players, ODP was not one of the extras that we chose to do

not for nothing, ODPs location and times look pretty inconvenient coming from ECNL (BRYC & Mclean). But there are some Loudoun girls so its hard to tell why. Looking at the 2 lists mentioned, its a wonder why the BRYC girls arent more represented at the u13 vs the u14...

TBH, there is only so much time in the day available to go between club, ODP, indoor, futsal, speed & agility, and other sports or school activities they may enjoy...

My daughter is a U14 who is DA/ECNL player. Between trying Super Y twice(U11 and U12), summer training, in season training, and fitness training we (with her approval) did not try ODP at either U12 or U13. I have looked at the U13 and 14 ODP lists, and while some kids are from the ECNL clubs, the majority are not. As stated by other posters, you wont see DA kids at all as that is not allowed. While I do believe that it gives kids a chance to be seen outside their club, an opportunity to learn from other coaches, and an opportunity to train with other quality players, ODP was not one of the extras that we chose to do

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Anonymous wrote:getting back to girl's soccer, is anyone planning to go to WS DA two tryouts coming up? what have they told parents about timing of offers?

Tryout this Saturday 2/10 is on - 3pm for 2004-2006s; 4:30-6 for 2000-2003s. The tryout on 2/17 was canceled - teams/coaching staff will be at Penn Fusion Winter Showcase.
Torres said player ID process will continue into the spring. Parents whose kids have already participated in tryouts will get some sort of email either letting them know they'd be getting an offer or inviting the player back for more looks. I'm pretty sure he said no offers would be extended right away.

thank you very much. have you gone to any of the other DA tryout sessions, and do you sense that the DAs are in any rush to lock-up girls, or taking a more measured approach and going to take their time to really look this Spring? there is so much going on right now for girls and if you ask around at our club, no one tells you anything but rumors they've heard.

Yes, I have. I don't get the sense at all that the Spirit is in a rush to lock up rosters now, although I think they will let top players they like know that they're interested and will be making an offer; for players who are more mid-pack, they'll buy some time by inviting them to come back out for more looks in the spring. I think they want to leave themselves the flexibility to add girls later in the spring. Now that they have a year of experience under their belts and a base of players in the 04-00 age groups, they can afford to take their time and be selective. I also think this gives interested players the opportunity to get through some of the spring and find out what their current club has planned for next year. I know our existing club hasn't announced coaches or team structure for next year yet. And from reading this board, it sounds like there could be some new developments in the youth soccer landscape in the coming weeks.

i was told us soccer will be making decisions/announcements about the new girls DA clubs this month, but doesn't that sound a little too soon? good luck this weekend!

I wouldn’t get ones hope up over any new full DAs in NoVA. I could see a full GDA in Richmond. I think if rumors of Arlington and BRYC applying are true that US Soccer would just tell them “sorry, you missed your chance but we are encouraging mergers so go talk to those DAs”

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Anonymous wrote:getting back to girl's soccer, is anyone planning to go to WS DA two tryouts coming up? what have they told parents about timing of offers?

Tryout this Saturday 2/10 is on - 3pm for 2004-2006s; 4:30-6 for 2000-2003s. The tryout on 2/17 was canceled - teams/coaching staff will be at Penn Fusion Winter Showcase.
Torres said player ID process will continue into the spring. Parents whose kids have already participated in tryouts will get some sort of email either letting them know they'd be getting an offer or inviting the player back for more looks. I'm pretty sure he said no offers would be extended right away.

thank you very much. have you gone to any of the other DA tryout sessions, and do you sense that the DAs are in any rush to lock-up girls, or taking a more measured approach and going to take their time to really look this Spring? there is so much going on right now for girls and if you ask around at our club, no one tells you anything but rumors they've heard.

Yes, I have. I don't get the sense at all that the Spirit is in a rush to lock up rosters now, although I think they will let top players they like know that they're interested and will be making an offer; for players who are more mid-pack, they'll buy some time by inviting them to come back out for more looks in the spring. I think they want to leave themselves the flexibility to add girls later in the spring. Now that they have a year of experience under their belts and a base of players in the 04-00 age groups, they can afford to take their time and be selective. I also think this gives interested players the opportunity to get through some of the spring and find out what their current club has planned for next year. I know our existing club hasn't announced coaches or team structure for next year yet. And from reading this board, it sounds like there could be some new developments in the youth soccer landscape in the coming weeks.

i was told us soccer will be making decisions/announcements about the new girls DA clubs this month, but doesn't that sound a little too soon? good luck this weekend!

But, given a good environment and far more playing time the B team starter can easily pass the A team Bench player.

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Anonymous wrote:getting back to girl's soccer, is anyone planning to go to WS DA two tryouts coming up? what have they told parents about timing of offers?

Tryout this Saturday 2/10 is on - 3pm for 2004-2006s; 4:30-6 for 2000-2003s. The tryout on 2/17 was canceled - teams/coaching staff will be at Penn Fusion Winter Showcase.
Torres said player ID process will continue into the spring. Parents whose kids have already participated in tryouts will get some sort of email either letting them know they'd be getting an offer or inviting the player back for more looks. I'm pretty sure he said no offers would be extended right away.

thank you very much. have you gone to any of the other DA tryout sessions, and do you sense that the DAs are in any rush to lock-up girls, or taking a more measured approach and going to take their time to really look this Spring? there is so much going on right now for girls and if you ask around at our club, no one tells you anything but rumors they've heard.

Yes, I have. I don't get the sense at all that the Spirit is in a rush to lock up rosters now, although I think they will let top players they like know that they're interested and will be making an offer; for players who are more mid-pack, they'll buy some time by inviting them to come back out for more looks in the spring. I think they want to leave themselves the flexibility to add girls later in the spring. Now that they have a year of experience under their belts and a base of players in the 04-00 age groups, they can afford to take their time and be selective. I also think this gives interested players the opportunity to get through some of the spring and find out what their current club has planned for next year. I know our existing club hasn't announced coaches or team structure for next year yet. And from reading this board, it sounds like there could be some new developments in the youth soccer landscape in the coming weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:getting back to girl's soccer, is anyone planning to go to WS DA two tryouts coming up? what have they told parents about timing of offers?

Tryout this Saturday 2/10 is on - 3pm for 2004-2006s; 4:30-6 for 2000-2003s. The tryout on 2/17 was canceled - teams/coaching staff will be at Penn Fusion Winter Showcase.
Torres said player ID process will continue into the spring. Parents whose kids have already participated in tryouts will get some sort of email either letting them know they'd be getting an offer or inviting the player back for more looks. I'm pretty sure he said no offers would be extended right away.

thank you very much. have you gone to any of the other DA tryout sessions, and do you sense that the DAs are in any rush to lock-up girls, or taking a more measured approach and going to take their time to really look this Spring? there is so much going on right now for girls and if you ask around at our club, no one tells you anything but rumors they've heard.

Yes, I have. I don't get the sense at all that the Spirit is in a rush to lock up rosters now, although I think they will let top players they like know that they're interested and will be making an offer; for players who are more mid-pack, they'll buy some time by inviting them to come back out for more looks in the spring. I think they want to leave themselves the flexibility to add girls later in the spring. Now that they have a year of experience under their belts and a base of players in the 04-00 age groups, they can afford to take their time and be selective. I also think this gives interested players the opportunity to get through some of the spring and find out what their current club has planned for next year. I know our existing club hasn't announced coaches or team structure for next year yet. And from reading this board, it sounds like there could be some new developments in the youth soccer landscape in the coming weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:So basically you’re both saying its not skills development for the Bs, it’s more physical and roster increase.

Sadly, i also think there is a ceiling in what foot skills can do without adequate speed/strength in development, especially for girls. I dont know how you overcome that, realistically.

No, that is not what I implied at all. What I implied is that a B team starter is more likely to actually develop in soccer ways over the A team bench player. While training with the A team in theory should help the A team bench player the reality is there is likely very little that separates the A team kid form the B team kid. But, given a good environment and far more playing time the B team starter can easily pass the A team Bench player. Keep in mind that rosters are small at the young ages. If you look at a U9 A/B team as a eventual 11v11 player pool good training and playing is more important than which group of kids your kid is paired with.

The back end of A teams are filled with squeaky wheels who are no better than their B team counterparts. Most player pools are similar to a Bell Curve. Out of 20 kids you have your top 5, your bottom 5 and everyone else is packed in the middle, separated only by a coaches early hunch. The line that separates kid 10 from 11 is razor thin.

At that age u9-u11, there should not be much difference in playing time. Most places are playing everyone the same amount and rotating all players through all positions. Now in the later years when everyone has a position and has to fight for playing time, it more important to get playing time.

I did see your comment before it was taken down. Sorry, but there is a difference in playing time, even at U9. That difference only increases as the kids get older. But that is one of reasons why B and C teams exist, to ensure that kids have an opportunity to play as much as possible. But A team parents are generally loath to take the "demotion" for the benefit of their kid and in return their kid gets to sit more and more each year while the top couple of kids on the B team are playing and improving. The A team is often over rostered in many clubs simply to retain kids who are still good but would certainly leave if placed properly on a B team. But a 7v7 U9/10 team with a roster of 12 kids does not spell either equal or meaningful playing time. If your 7v7 U9/U10 team has 10 kids then yes, playing time is generally equal.

NP. I guess no one took the hint. Move on or take it to a different thread. This one is specific to girls soccer. We get both of your points! Enough.

+1 . . . . i agree with this too

So on a girls soccer team there is a A and B team comprised of girls. Some of these girls are very similar in skill to their girl soccer teammates who all play soccer together with and as girls. Sometimes the girls on the girls soccer B team (the "B" does not stand for "b**" but means the second team of the girls soccer team.)

If you have 20 girls on this girls soccer team, that we are speaking of in a thread dedicated to Girls Soccer, about 5 girls are really good and 5 girls are clearly not as good. That leaves about ten girls, on this all girls soccer team, to be of similar talent. This is of course very different than soccer played by the other gender which shall not be named here.

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Anonymous wrote:getting back to girl's soccer, is anyone planning to go to WS DA two tryouts coming up? what have they told parents about timing of offers?

Tryout this Saturday 2/10 is on - 3pm for 2004-2006s; 4:30-6 for 2000-2003s. The tryout on 2/17 was canceled - teams/coaching staff will be at Penn Fusion Winter Showcase.
Torres said player ID process will continue into the spring. Parents whose kids have already participated in tryouts will get some sort of email either letting them know they'd be getting an offer or inviting the player back for more looks. I'm pretty sure he said no offers would be extended right away.

thank you very much. have you gone to any of the other DA tryout sessions, and do you sense that the DAs are in any rush to lock-up girls, or taking a more measured approach and going to take their time to really look this Spring? there is so much going on right now for girls and if you ask around at our club, no one tells you anything but rumors they've heard.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD recently went through summer league Super Y tryouts. It almost seemed reflexive with no real discussion of why she was doing this yet again with teammates. It got me thinking about ODP, which I know has tryouts this summer.

If your DD is one of those that wants soccer training 24-7-365, then I get ODP as some supplement to satiate that desire.

But if you are like most, trying to find a balance and picking and choosing among options based on value of dollars/time spent, then what is the current (not past) relevance of girls ODP in the DMV area for an elite player? . . . and I am not talking about the "casual," A team, bread & butter player who repeatedly can make district pool but does not otherwise advance . . .

ODP is expensive, and I am told that if you make it past the relatively costly district plus state pools, then the cost really grows.

So, with this discussion of ECNL vs. US Girls DA, is all the cost and driving time of ODP something elite players are still choosing to do, year after year?

Or is ODP something that U13 girls in the DMV usually try (if they do not make or decide to do ECNL or Girls DA) simply because they do not know better? I meet many families who have no idea what ODP really is.

Wondering about current experiences of girls doing ECNL or DA. Not interested in what ODP used to be back in the day when mom or dad played college ball in this area . . .

So question for anyone: do elite players do ODP anymore in the DMV, which we know from PPs discussions is not some rural area without options?

Here is a good overview from last year, but not from the DMV area:
https://www.collegecommitted.com/free-resources/odp-should-i-do-it/

My daughter is a U14 who is DA/ECNL player. Between trying Super Y twice(U11 and U12), summer training, in season training, and fitness training we (with her approval) did not try ODP at either U12 or U13. I have looked at the U13 and 14 ODP lists, and while some kids are from the ECNL clubs, the majority are not. As stated by other posters, you wont see DA kids at all as that is not allowed. While I do believe that it gives kids a chance to be seen outside their club, an opportunity to learn from other coaches, and an opportunity to train with other quality players, ODP was not one of the extras that we chose to do.

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Anonymous wrote:So basically you’re both saying its not skills development for the Bs, it’s more physical and roster increase.

Sadly, i also think there is a ceiling in what foot skills can do without adequate speed/strength in development, especially for girls. I dont know how you overcome that, realistically.

No, that is not what I implied at all. What I implied is that a B team starter is more likely to actually develop in soccer ways over the A team bench player. While training with the A team in theory should help the A team bench player the reality is there is likely very little that separates the A team kid form the B team kid. But, given a good environment and far more playing time the B team starter can easily pass the A team Bench player. Keep in mind that rosters are small at the young ages. If you look at a U9 A/B team as a eventual 11v11 player pool good training and playing is more important than which group of kids your kid is paired with.

The back end of A teams are filled with squeaky wheels who are no better than their B team counterparts. Most player pools are similar to a Bell Curve. Out of 20 kids you have your top 5, your bottom 5 and everyone else is packed in the middle, separated only by a coaches early hunch. The line that separates kid 10 from 11 is razor thin.

At that age u9-u11, there should not be much difference in playing time. Most places are playing everyone the same amount and rotating all players through all positions. Now in the later years when everyone has a position and has to fight for playing time, it more important to get playing time.

I did see your comment before it was taken down. Sorry, but there is a difference in playing time, even at U9. That difference only increases as the kids get older. But that is one of reasons why B and C teams exist, to ensure that kids have an opportunity to play as much as possible. But A team parents are generally loath to take the "demotion" for the benefit of their kid and in return their kid gets to sit more and more each year while the top couple of kids on the B team are playing and improving. The A team is often over rostered in many clubs simply to retain kids who are still good but would certainly leave if placed properly on a B team. But a 7v7 U9/10 team with a roster of 12 kids does not spell either equal or meaningful playing time. If your 7v7 U9/U10 team has 10 kids then yes, playing time is generally equal.

NP. I guess no one took the hint. Move on or take it to a different thread. This one is specific to girls soccer. We get both of your points! Enough.

+1 . . . . i agree with this too

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Anonymous wrote:So basically you’re both saying its not skills development for the Bs, it’s more physical and roster increase.

Sadly, i also think there is a ceiling in what foot skills can do without adequate speed/strength in development, especially for girls. I dont know how you overcome that, realistically.

No, that is not what I implied at all. What I implied is that a B team starter is more likely to actually develop in soccer ways over the A team bench player. While training with the A team in theory should help the A team bench player the reality is there is likely very little that separates the A team kid form the B team kid. But, given a good environment and far more playing time the B team starter can easily pass the A team Bench player. Keep in mind that rosters are small at the young ages. If you look at a U9 A/B team as a eventual 11v11 player pool good training and playing is more important than which group of kids your kid is paired with.

The back end of A teams are filled with squeaky wheels who are no better than their B team counterparts. Most player pools are similar to a Bell Curve. Out of 20 kids you have your top 5, your bottom 5 and everyone else is packed in the middle, separated only by a coaches early hunch. The line that separates kid 10 from 11 is razor thin.

At that age u9-u11, there should not be much difference in playing time. Most places are playing everyone the same amount and rotating all players through all positions. Now in the later years when everyone has a position and has to fight for playing time, it more important to get playing time.

I did see your comment before it was taken down. Sorry, but there is a difference in playing time, even at U9. That difference only increases as the kids get older. But that is one of reasons why B and C teams exist, to ensure that kids have an opportunity to play as much as possible. But A team parents are generally loath to take the "demotion" for the benefit of their kid and in return their kid gets to sit more and more each year while the top couple of kids on the B team are playing and improving. The A team is often over rostered in many clubs simply to retain kids who are still good but would certainly leave if placed properly on a B team. But a 7v7 U9/10 team with a roster of 12 kids does not spell either equal or meaningful playing time. If your 7v7 U9/U10 team has 10 kids then yes, playing time is generally equal.

NP. I guess no one took the hint. Move on or take it to a different thread. This one is specific to girls soccer. We get both of your points! Enough.

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Anonymous wrote:getting back to girl's soccer, is anyone planning to go to WS DA two tryouts coming up? what have they told parents about timing of offers?

Tryout this Saturday 2/10 is on - 3pm for 2004-2006s; 4:30-6 for 2000-2003s. The tryout on 2/17 was canceled - teams/coaching staff will be at Penn Fusion Winter Showcase.
Torres said player ID process will continue into the spring. Parents whose kids have already participated in tryouts will get some sort of email either letting them know they'd be getting an offer or inviting the player back for more looks. I'm pretty sure he said no offers would be extended right away.

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Anonymous wrote:So basically you’re both saying its not skills development for the Bs, it’s more physical and roster increase.

Sadly, i also think there is a ceiling in what foot skills can do without adequate speed/strength in development, especially for girls. I dont know how you overcome that, realistically.

No, that is not what I implied at all. What I implied is that a B team starter is more likely to actually develop in soccer ways over the A team bench player. While training with the A team in theory should help the A team bench player the reality is there is likely very little that separates the A team kid form the B team kid. But, given a good environment and far more playing time the B team starter can easily pass the A team Bench player. Keep in mind that rosters are small at the young ages. If you look at a U9 A/B team as a eventual 11v11 player pool good training and playing is more important than which group of kids your kid is paired with.

The back end of A teams are filled with squeaky wheels who are no better than their B team counterparts. Most player pools are similar to a Bell Curve. Out of 20 kids you have your top 5, your bottom 5 and everyone else is packed in the middle, separated only by a coaches early hunch. The line that separates kid 10 from 11 is razor thin.

At that age u9-u11, there should not be much difference in playing time. Most places are playing everyone the same amount and rotating all players through all positions. Now in the later years when everyone has a position and has to fight for playing time, it more important to get playing time.

I did see your comment before it was taken down. Sorry, but there is a difference in playing time, even at U9. That difference only increases as the kids get older. But that is one of reasons why B and C teams exist, to ensure that kids have an opportunity to play as much as possible. But A team parents are generally loath to take the "demotion" for the benefit of their kid and in return their kid gets to sit more and more each year while the top couple of kids on the B team are playing and improving. The A team is often over rostered in many clubs simply to retain kids who are still good but would certainly leave if placed properly on a B team. But a 7v7 U9/10 team with a roster of 12 kids does not spell either equal or meaningful playing time. If your 7v7 U9/U10 team has 10 kids then yes, playing time is generally equal.

NP. I guess no one took the hint. Move on or take it to a different thread. This one is specific to girls soccer. We get both of your points! Enough.