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Anonymous wrote:Also, the red extends up way to far if you only talking about 1300 seats.

What are long-term? 1300 was the relatively short-term need, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Also, the red extends up way to far if you only talking about 1300 seats.

What are long-term? 1300 was the relatively short-term need, right?

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Anonymous wrote:It almost seems like what should be required from the North to succeed in getting the Kenmore 4th Comprehensive High School is an actual commitment from enough parents in high real estate areas to send their kids there.

Would this help keep the HSs balanced?

Would this approx map work for most people? Assuming four full comprehensive HSs.

In theory, it looks fine, however our PU is one of those that would move in this scenario from Yorktown to Kenmore. I'd want to know what the general FARMS % the SB would expect with re-zoning that looked like this hypothetical. I'm not in love with Yorktown, but if my family were moved from a school with a very low FARMS rate to one where it's 40% or more, yeah, I'd be upset not just for the realities of that school environment for my family but for the huge hit to my property value.

For the SB to do Kenmore without totally screwing over the poor kids, they have to make a good faith effort not to just "sacrifice" a handful of well-off kids. There needs to be a real, true effort to balance.

This would be our situation as well. I would lean toward being ok with sending my kids to a Kenmore that looked like this, although I'm not (and never have been) advocating for the Kenmore option. And that's IF Kenmore has facilities that are the same as the other three high schools. But like a PP, I'm trying to be realistic- it's difficult to envision what this could do to property values. There are a whole bunch of houses zoned for Wakefield that are almost as expensive as mine, so maybe the answer is, not much. But yes, we haven't lived here long and it is scary to think about losing what little equity we have.

I was at the Yorktown meeting and heard at least one W-L zoned parent express concern about property values there if W-L becomes at huge school/campus. If Ed Center is picked, W-L people (kind of rightfully) feel that they are bearing the cost of overcrowding, taking the possible financial hit, while everyone else stays the same. But in this rezoning scenario, people on the west side take the brunt. While for people north of Lee Highway, Yorktown gets relatively wealthier and for people in the far south, Wakefield possibly gets poorer. I don't know if that feels right to me either.

stupid map. no SB member would touch it with a 10 feet potl just be happy with your 1300 Ed Ctr.

don't like it? move to Kenmore zone.

When I read these 20 pages of posts it convinces me that what the CB needs to do is put a moratorium on all AH in the Western Pike. If they want to add more AH, do it up along Lee Hwy.

There is no way to solve the inequality without either a drastic change to housing policy or a massive busing project.

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My problem with map is it takes us from walkers at Yorktown to a long bus ride to the new school (after our planning unit was already screwed into McK.) But we have to decide as a county what the priorities are. Is it neighborhood schools? Is it diversity at the expense of all else? I'm not sure anymore.

I think the bolded is an overstatement. How about "a reasonably level playing field even if some kids have to take a bus" -- and I would say "take a bus instead of walking," but I don't think we can say that unless we somehow eliminate parent dropoffs and kids driving to school.

I'd be willing to say that while busing should be a consideration, we shouldn't be worried about bus rides of less than half an hour? 20 minutes? Because high school walkers can be walking about that long, depending on whether they stride or amble (and I like that they walk, but we're juggling a lot of factors, so maybe the walk to school can't be the way your kid gets exercise).

That may be true but I'm going out on a limb to say you don't live in one of those planning units, already screwed over in the elementary school redistricting.

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Anonymous wrote:Those boundaries make Wakefield poorer and Yorktown richer. It's got 22213/22207 written all over it.

The problem is that there doesn't seem to be any way to make contiguous boundaries around four schools, two in mid-county, one north, one south that would NOT make the northern-most overwhelmingly affluent and the southern-most overwhelmingly poor. That's simply how housing has been divided in the county, exacerbated by county AH development priorities. The only way to really balance 4 HS (heck, even the 3 we have now) would be to randomly assign kids to schools and deal with the transportation mess that would be. But I can't imagine Arlington leadership ever having the political will to do that.

Well, we're obviously not going to do that. But if the North can't make Kenmore the same kind of successful mix of kids that allows the possibility of academic success for all at W-L, then it needs to stop trying to shove this down Glen Carlyn's throat over access to extracurriculars.

Also, the red extends up way to far if you only talking about 1300 seats.

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My problem with map is it takes us from walkers at Yorktown to a long bus ride to the new school (after our planning unit was already screwed into McK.) But we have to decide as a county what the priorities are. Is it neighborhood schools? Is it diversity at the expense of all else? I'm not sure anymore.

I think the bolded is an overstatement. How about "a reasonably level playing field even if some kids have to take a bus" -- and I would say "take a bus instead of walking," but I don't think we can say that unless we somehow eliminate parent dropoffs and kids driving to school.

I'd be willing to say that while busing should be a consideration, we shouldn't be worried about bus rides of less than half an hour? 20 minutes? Because high school walkers can be walking about that long, depending on whether they stride or amble (and I like that they walk, but we're juggling a lot of factors, so maybe the walk to school can't be the way your kid gets exercise).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It almost seems like what should be required from the North to succeed in getting the Kenmore 4th Comprehensive High School is an actual commitment from enough parents in high real estate areas to send their kids there.

Would this help keep the HSs balanced?

Would this approx map work for most people? Assuming four full comprehensive HSs.

In theory, it looks fine, however our PU is one of those that would move in this scenario from Yorktown to Kenmore. I'd want to know what the general FARMS % the SB would expect with re-zoning that looked like this hypothetical. I'm not in love with Yorktown, but if my family were moved from a school with a very low FARMS rate to one where it's 40% or more, yeah, I'd be upset not just for the realities of that school environment for my family but for the huge hit to my property value.

For the SB to do Kenmore without totally screwing over the poor kids, they have to make a good faith effort not to just "sacrifice" a handful of well-off kids. There needs to be a real, true effort to balance.

My problem with map is it takes us from walkers at Yorktown to a long bus ride to the new school (after our planning unit was already screwed into McK.) But we have to decide as a county what the priorities are. Is it neighborhood schools? Is it diversity at the expense of all else? I'm not sure anymore.

Anonymous wrote:Those boundaries make Wakefield poorer and Yorktown richer. It's got 22213/22207 written all over it.

The problem is that there doesn't seem to be any way to make contiguous boundaries around four schools, two in mid-county, one north, one south that would NOT make the northern-most overwhelmingly affluent and the southern-most overwhelmingly poor. That's simply how housing has been divided in the county, exacerbated by county AH development priorities. The only way to really balance 4 HS (heck, even the 3 we have now) would be to randomly assign kids to schools and deal with the transportation mess that would be. But I can't imagine Arlington leadership ever having the political will to do that.

That map would make yorktown and WL completely white. And, there is no way those parents on the northern and eastern end of the red zone would agree to sending their kids further away to a kenmore HS when they are so close to the white schools. They know their property values would take a hit, and they would. That Kenmore HS, depending on what side of the street it follows Columbia Pike, would place the entire west end of the Pike and buckingham at the new school. It would take a tremendous number of wealthier students from north arlington to keep it from being majority low income.


One thing I keep hearing is that the SB would have to do the zoning right, put on the adult pants, etc. WHEN HAVE THEY EVER DEMONSTRATED THAT ??? never - certainly not with the new boundary change. Those people cannot get off the "all arlington schools are great" talk.

I have absolutely NO FAITH that they would do the boundaries correctly. Reid is the only one no beholden to north arlington.

If kenmore is the space for a new school, it must be choice otherwise south arlington is screwed once again.

Those boundaries make Wakefield poorer and Yorktown richer. It's got 22213/22207 written all over it.

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't officislly redrawing the boundaries like this to niw and forevermore give Wakefield all of the South officially screw Wakefield over?

Not necessarily, but I worry that the new W-L dip into South Arlington near Patrick Henry is scooping out one of the higher SES parts of South Arlington, which doesn't do much to keep the various high schools' demographics (except Yorktown) within a reasonable range of economic diversity.

Wouldn't officislly redrawing the boundaries like this to niw and forevermore give Wakefield all of the South officially screw Wakefield over?