Anonymous
05/06/2017 15:17
Subject: Re:Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
Anonymous wrote:To the 2 posters debating the "if only our best athletes played soccer" topic: please get off this thread. This is supposed to be about travel tryouts coming up this Spring, not a place for general soccer-related discussion. Please consider starting a new thread if you want to continue that converation.
Thanks.
Actually, it turns out there already is a thread on this, so you don't even need to start a new one.
Here you go, enjoy: http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/395170.page
Anonymous
05/06/2017 15:12
Subject: Re:Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
To the 2 posters debating the "if only our best athletes played soccer" topic: please get off this thread. This is supposed to be about travel tryouts coming up this Spring, not a place for general soccer-related discussion. Please consider starting a new thread if you want to continue that discussion.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Anonymous
05/06/2017 08:23
Subject: Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:McLean tryouts: http://www.mcleansoccer.org/Travel_Tryouts
Girls tryouts start Sunday and the club hasn't even told us the coaching list. How can that be? They require 24 hour advance registration, but they should at least tell us the coach list when we are less then 48 hrs away!
Nutso. Is this because of the coming departure of the TD?
List of coaches is here:
http://www.mcleansoccer.org/travel_staff_2017
Those are only ECNL coaches, which already have had tryouts start. They don't have any other coaches for all the other age groups and tryouts start tomorrow. Completely disorganized.
Anonymous
05/06/2017 07:52
Subject: Re:Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:asksoccernova wrote:There's a reason I didn't try to go play their sport... because it doesn't cross over. That's my point here - athleticism does not mean you are good at another sport. With all the athleticism that a soccer player has, you still can't dribble a basketball well or shoot accurately.
My point here is that the motor skills required to play soccer and other team sports do not cross over very well. The closest thing out there is NFL kickers.
This is why the American audience doesn't appreciate or understand the sport as much, the thought process behind it is different - it's a totally different game than the sports most people have grown up with.
If you don't think the skills required to play football, basketball, hockey, etc. Translate to soccer directly then I'm sorry to say that you simply are not a top level athlete and you have apparently never had the chance to spend time with one to discuss how sports work in their world. There's a reason Alexi Lalas was great at hockey, Steve Nash started as a serious soccer player, Rafael Nadal could have played pro soccer and Odell Beckham Junior could have played national team soccer. There's even a reason Tim Tebow is making a legit run at baseball. Great athletes are great athletes! They choose to train at a select sport because of interests, body types, family pressures, environment, opportunities and future aspirations. But apart from the bobby Hurley/Michael Bradley types who worked tirelessly and had a serious coach dad, I can almost guarantee that most world classs athletes at some point had to chose what they wanted to work toward dominating.
To put it another way. If Allen iverson or Dion Sanders grew with Bob Bradley as a dad, I'm 100% confident they would have been the best soccer players the US has ever produced- even while playing other sports.
The problem is you are still using a stopwatch, a ruler and a scale as your metrics. Would the US have spotted Messi or Cryuff? Because our sports require size and speed we tend to apply that to soccer when it doesn't. Until Jordan grew he was relegated to JV at his High School. That says all you need to know about how we select our athletes.
But, lets play along. Even if Dion Sanders picked up soccer at 13 today there is no chance that he becomes a world class talent. Even Dion Sanders would have had to start playing soccer at 5 like Messi did. Athleticism cannot overcome the thousands and thousands of touches required to have world class technical skill.
Do you think Messi is not fast and quick? Messi is one of the fastest and quickest players playing. Messi is an elite athlete. If Dion Sanders grow up in Argentina? The point is soccer in the US does not get the Messi. Anyways back to tryouts.
No, the point is Messi started playing at 5 years old. Messi was also considered to be to small and underwent hormone treatments just to get to his current small size that he is now. Messi would not have been given a second look in the U.S.
The most popular American sports kids can pick up later in adolescents and succeed because of "athleticism". Unfortunately we correlate "the ease" at which many kids grow and become the star wide receiver in high school to an innate ability and single handedly discount the hours and thousands of cumulative touches that soccer requires to become elite. A NFL players off season is spent in the gym getting better while a soccer player is still playing some form of soccer to maintain their touch.
Anonymous
05/06/2017 07:49
Subject: Re:Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
PP here. Just occurred to me you must be looking on the boys' side. Sorry. Yes, I can see where that would be frustrating.
Anonymous
05/06/2017 07:47
Subject: Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
Anonymous wrote:McLean tryouts: http://www.mcleansoccer.org/Travel_Tryouts
Girls tryouts start Sunday and the club hasn't even told us the coaching list. How can that be? They require 24 hour advance registration, but they should at least tell us the coach list when we are less then 48 hrs away!
Nutso. Is this because of the coming departure of the TD?
List of coaches is here:
http://www.mcleansoccer.org/travel_staff_2017
Anonymous
05/06/2017 07:14
Subject: Re:Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:asksoccernova wrote:There's a reason I didn't try to go play their sport... because it doesn't cross over. That's my point here - athleticism does not mean you are good at another sport. With all the athleticism that a soccer player has, you still can't dribble a basketball well or shoot accurately.
My point here is that the motor skills required to play soccer and other team sports do not cross over very well. The closest thing out there is NFL kickers.
This is why the American audience doesn't appreciate or understand the sport as much, the thought process behind it is different - it's a totally different game than the sports most people have grown up with.
If you don't think the skills required to play football, basketball, hockey, etc. Translate to soccer directly then I'm sorry to say that you simply are not a top level athlete and you have apparently never had the chance to spend time with one to discuss how sports work in their world. There's a reason Alexi Lalas was great at hockey, Steve Nash started as a serious soccer player, Rafael Nadal could have played pro soccer and Odell Beckham Junior could have played national team soccer. There's even a reason Tim Tebow is making a legit run at baseball. Great athletes are great athletes! They choose to train at a select sport because of interests, body types, family pressures, environment, opportunities and future aspirations. But apart from the bobby Hurley/Michael Bradley types who worked tirelessly and had a serious coach dad, I can almost guarantee that most world classs athletes at some point had to chose what they wanted to work toward dominating.
To put it another way. If Allen iverson or Dion Sanders grew with Bob Bradley as a dad, I'm 100% confident they would have been the best soccer players the US has ever produced- even while playing other sports.
The problem is you are still using a stopwatch, a ruler and a scale as your metrics. Would the US have spotted Messi or Cryuff? Because our sports require size and speed we tend to apply that to soccer when it doesn't. Until Jordan grew he was relegated to JV at his High School. That says all you need to know about how we select our athletes.
But, lets play along. Even if Dion Sanders picked up soccer at 13 today there is no chance that he becomes a world class talent. Even Dion Sanders would have had to start playing soccer at 5 like Messi did. Athleticism cannot overcome the thousands and thousands of touches required to have world class technical skill.
Do you think Messi is not fast and quick? Messi is one of the fastest and quickest players playing. Messi is an elite athlete. If Dion Sanders grow up in Argentina? The point is soccer in the US does not get the Messi. Anyways back to tryouts.
Anonymous
05/05/2017 21:12
Subject: Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
McLean tryouts: http://www.mcleansoccer.org/Travel_Tryouts
Girls tryouts start Sunday and the club hasn't even told us the coaching list. How can that be? They require 24 hour advance registration, but they should at least tell us the coach list when we are less then 48 hrs away!
Nutso. Is this because of the coming departure of the TD?
Girls tryouts start Sunday and the club hasn't even told us the coaching list. How can that be? They require 24 hour advance registration, but they should at least tell us the coach list when we are less then 48 hrs away!
Nutso. Is this because of the coming departure of the TD?
Anonymous
05/05/2017 19:15
Subject: Re:Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Any feedback on the boys side for FPYC. Thinking about checking it out for a U9
It's really hit or miss right now with FPYC. Totally dependent on the age group and individual coaches involved. They used to have a great pre-travel program and for a few years they were regularly turning out U9 teams that could compete with the best clubs in the area, but it has gone downhill in recent years. The current group of u8 boys have been a complete mess in the cross-over league, but with the right coach, who knows?
FPYC's "pre-travel" program is still in place. Interest has been low the last two years. Not sure why. FPYC offers year round pick up soccer on Sundays, and they add Friday nights in the summer and winter. They offer Academy training starting at U6, which is where the entire age group trains together (U6Bs, U6Gs, U7Bs, U7Gs, etc) once a week where professional trainers from UK Elite run the sessions and the parents volunteer coaches assist. This provides all the kids with at least one day of professional training a week and provides the parent volunteer coaches a way to learn some different training techniques, etc. One day a week is with their parent volunteer coach. FPYC also offers three GK session per season for all rec players. FPYC also offers a program called Advanced Development Academy, which is an additional cost. It's eight to ten 90-minutes sessions. 30 minutes footskills/dribbling; 30 minutes passing/receiving/possession, 30 minutes small sided scrimmages. $75! At most that's $6.25 an hour. Weather permitting, they get 10 sessions in and it comes down to $5/hr. Compare that to VYS who just advertised some skills clinic to their rec players for $20/hr! FPYC also enter two teams (depends on interest) in the LMVSC crossover league at no additional cost. If you take advantage of all of FPYC's programs at U8, you get about 7.5 hours of training, pick up, and games per week for about $180 a season. $105 for rec and $75 for ADA. In the past, back when the 2004s, 2005s, 2006s, and 2007s were U8s, the boys had about 25 kids per age group in ADA and crossover. They all had very strong U9, U10, travel teams. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to keep strong teams together in this area because parents are always looking for something better. Looking for bigger clubs, etc. With that said, attendance at pick up and ADA has tanked over the last two years. Not sure why. There was even someone on these boards welcoming anyone to come to pick up over the winter at Draper and no additional kids came.
As to the current U8s being a mess in crossover? Holy crap...if FPYC is a mess, what is IFC? There has only been one game this season and to prevent running up the score, most of the game was played 4v6 with FPYC having 4 players on the field. Last season in crossover, DCA was strong and outplayed FPYC and everyone else for that matter.
Above is all on the boys side. The girls have also produced some very strong players and teams over the same time period. Although a previous poster disagrees, I think the current crop of U8, although not taking advantage of all the programs, will be competitive and the head coach has been named already and it will be Tom Holland, FPYC's technical director. Good to see top coaching going to the youngest groups.
Good luck to everyone at tryouts this spring. I hope you find the perfect fit for your kid.
IFC's U8 team isn't keeping up at crossover? Big change from when I dealt with it 3-4 years ago. I don't think IFC had a rec league, so they basically had a U8 travel team in every sense. And they dominated. Not sure any of those players actually developed, but they were certainly running everyone else off the field back then.
Anonymous
05/05/2017 18:23
Subject: Re:Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
Any feedback on the boys side for FPYC. Thinking about checking it out for a U9
It's really hit or miss right now with FPYC. Totally dependent on the age group and individual coaches involved. They used to have a great pre-travel program and for a few years they were regularly turning out U9 teams that could compete with the best clubs in the area, but it has gone downhill in recent years. The current group of u8 boys have been a complete mess in the cross-over league, but with the right coach, who knows?
FPYC's "pre-travel" program is still in place. Interest has been low the last two years. Not sure why. FPYC offers year round pick up soccer on Sundays, and they add Friday nights in the summer and winter. They offer Academy training starting at U6, which is where the entire age group trains together (U6Bs, U6Gs, U7Bs, U7Gs, etc) once a week where professional trainers from UK Elite run the sessions and the parents volunteer coaches assist. This provides all the kids with at least one day of professional training a week and provides the parent volunteer coaches a way to learn some different training techniques, etc. One day a week is with their parent volunteer coach. FPYC also offers three GK session per season for all rec players. FPYC also offers a program called Advanced Development Academy, which is an additional cost. It's eight to ten 90-minutes sessions. 30 minutes footskills/dribbling; 30 minutes passing/receiving/possession, 30 minutes small sided scrimmages. $75! At most that's $6.25 an hour. Weather permitting, they get 10 sessions in and it comes down to $5/hr. Compare that to VYS who just advertised some skills clinic to their rec players for $20/hr! FPYC also enter two teams (depends on interest) in the LMVSC crossover league at no additional cost. If you take advantage of all of FPYC's programs at U8, you get about 7.5 hours of training, pick up, and games per week for about $180 a season. $105 for rec and $75 for ADA. In the past, back when the 2004s, 2005s, 2006s, and 2007s were U8s, the boys had about 25 kids per age group in ADA and crossover. They all had very strong U9, U10, travel teams. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to keep strong teams together in this area because parents are always looking for something better. Looking for bigger clubs, etc. With that said, attendance at pick up and ADA has tanked over the last two years. Not sure why. There was even someone on these boards welcoming anyone to come to pick up over the winter at Draper and no additional kids came.
As to the current U8s being a mess in crossover? Holy crap...if FPYC is a mess, what is IFC? There has only been one game this season and to prevent running up the score, most of the game was played 4v6 with FPYC having 4 players on the field. Last season in crossover, DCA was strong and outplayed FPYC and everyone else for that matter.
Above is all on the boys side. The girls have also produced some very strong players and teams over the same time period. Although a previous poster disagrees, I think the current crop of U8, although not taking advantage of all the programs, will be competitive and the head coach has been named already and it will be Tom Holland, FPYC's technical director. Good to see top coaching going to the youngest groups.
Good luck to everyone at tryouts this spring. I hope you find the perfect fit for your kid.