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Honestly, it's just hard to have much sympathy for the CC parents on this issue (especially when presented with such dramatics). These same parents would probably say that their schools are better than the vast majority of the other schools in the county, and assuming that is true, you're doing pretty darn well.

CCES parent here. I would agree that the Triad is better than the vast majority of schools in the county. However, just because its seen by many as better does not make it an acceptable reason to screw over kids. Is it so wrong that I am not satisfied with being above average or even better than "the vast majority" of the county as PP put it, or that I want the absolute best for my children? I don't care what the county-wide FARMS rate, or racial makeup is, or capacity. I care about the school my kids go to. And if they're getting screwed over, as I believe option 7 is doing, then why would I not voice my concerns?

Ultimately, I think its a fair point being made by many PP - localization matters or diversity matters. With option 7 the super is talking out of both sides of his mouth. If they want to keep things local, readjust the ass-backward districting at RHES / CC / NCC and stop the bussing from CC to SS and vice versa. If they want to keep diversity, then move RCF to Westland.

Its not voicing your opinion that's the problem. Its the fact that A) your outrage/reaction is overblown B) you don't seem to get that there are other opinions and/or others who would be "screwed over" if things went a different way. C) you also don't seem to get that the BCC MS#2 boundary study is a separate issue from the Triad set up. Further, we could've discussed breaking up the Triad prior to this decision as many people pointed out but its only after things didn't go your way that you are considering it.

There are multiple CCES parents posting here. And we are outraged and have every right to be. It's only overblown in your eyes because it isn't your community, your kids aren't getting screwed. We wanted to discuss breaking up the Triad prior because it made sense and we were told NO by the head of the boundary committee that they would not visit the boundary issue and the Triad issue at the same time. So we fought to keep the kids together rather than letting the Rosemary Hills neighborhood families get bused off and used as tokens to diversify Westland in a sea of strangers. In hindsight, it seems fighting to keep those kids with us was a mistake and created to unequal institutions, a return to Segregation in Westland's case. So you can just take a hike. I'll take my resources and go private with the other familes because I can.

There are also many CCES families that are FINE with option #7 because we got the number one priority which is to not split our kids again. I am so sad about how many posts here are saying they will take their kids to private school because god forbid there is a 15% farms rate-- and I call BS on the continued argument that you are all really concerned about overcrowding-- our kids are now at Westland and BCC which are overcrowded. Say what you mean. You don't want your kids at school with lower income kids. And I am so disgusted by how many people are on this board feeling this way. Many CCES parents and families are fine with this option-- that was apparent as soon as the PTS told parents it was against the Superintendent's decision-- quite a few parents immediately wrote back and said they saw nothing wrong with the option. I bet that view is held by many parents.

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Under the option selected, RCF is being split up (despite the success the school has had with integrating the two programs). Under the option you want, the RCF families would "get bused off and used as tokens to diversity Westland in a sea of strangers."

I'm not sure that's accurate. I believe, but am not positive, that the Spanish Immersion program is not full of ESOLs, and would guess not as high on the FARMS list. Therefore the ESOL / FARMS are going to MS#2 and the Spanish Immersion are going to Westland. No token kids being moved to lilly-white Westland under option 7.

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Honestly, it's just hard to have much sympathy for the CC parents on this issue (especially when presented with such dramatics). These same parents would probably say that their schools are better than the vast majority of the other schools in the county, and assuming that is true, you're doing pretty darn well.

CCES parent here. I would agree that the Triad is better than the vast majority of schools in the county. However, just because its seen by many as better does not make it an acceptable reason to screw over kids. Is it so wrong that I am not satisfied with being above average or even better than "the vast majority" of the county as PP put it, or that I want the absolute best for my children? I don't care what the county-wide FARMS rate, or racial makeup is, or capacity. I care about the school my kids go to. And if they're getting screwed over, as I believe option 7 is doing, then why would I not voice my concerns?

Ultimately, I think its a fair point being made by many PP - localization matters or diversity matters. With option 7 the super is talking out of both sides of his mouth. If they want to keep things local, readjust the ass-backward districting at RHES / CC / NCC and stop the bussing from CC to SS and vice versa. If they want to keep diversity, then move RCF to Westland.

Its not voicing your opinion that's the problem. Its the fact that A) your outrage/reaction is overblown B) you don't seem to get that there are other opinions and/or others who would be "screwed over" if things went a different way. C) you also don't seem to get that the BCC MS#2 boundary study is a separate issue from the Triad set up. Further, we could've discussed breaking up the Triad prior to this decision as many people pointed out but its only after things didn't go your way that you are considering it.

There are multiple CCES parents posting here. And we are outraged and have every right to be. It's only overblown in your eyes because it isn't your community, your kids aren't getting screwed. We wanted to discuss breaking up the Triad prior because it made sense and we were told NO by the head of the boundary committee that they would not visit the boundary issue and the Triad issue at the same time. So we fought to keep the kids together rather than letting the Rosemary Hills neighborhood families get bused off and used as tokens to diversify Westland in a sea of strangers. In hindsight, it seems fighting to keep those kids with us was a mistake and created to unequal institutions, a return to Segregation in Westland's case. So you can just take a hike. I'll take my resources and go private with the other familes because I can.

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Under the option selected, RCF is being split up (despite the success the school has had with integrating the two programs). Under the option you want, the RCF families would "get bused off and used as tokens to diversity Westland in a sea of strangers."

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Honestly, it's just hard to have much sympathy for the CC parents on this issue (especially when presented with such dramatics). These same parents would probably say that their schools are better than the vast majority of the other schools in the county, and assuming that is true, you're doing pretty darn well.

CCES parent here. I would agree that the Triad is better than the vast majority of schools in the county. However, just because its seen by many as better does not make it an acceptable reason to screw over kids. Is it so wrong that I am not satisfied with being above average or even better than "the vast majority" of the county as PP put it, or that I want the absolute best for my children? I don't care what the county-wide FARMS rate, or racial makeup is, or capacity. I care about the school my kids go to. And if they're getting screwed over, as I believe option 7 is doing, then why would I not voice my concerns?

Ultimately, I think its a fair point being made by many PP - localization matters or diversity matters. With option 7 the super is talking out of both sides of his mouth. If they want to keep things local, readjust the ass-backward districting at RHES / CC / NCC and stop the bussing from CC to SS and vice versa. If they want to keep diversity, then move RCF to Westland.

Its not voicing your opinion that's the problem. Its the fact that A) your outrage/reaction is overblown B) you don't seem to get that there are other opinions and/or others who would be "screwed over" if things went a different way. C) you also don't seem to get that the BCC MS#2 boundary study is a separate issue from the Triad set up. Further, we could've discussed breaking up the Triad prior to this decision as many people pointed out but its only after things didn't go your way that you are considering it.

There are multiple CCES parents posting here. And we are outraged and have every right to be. It's only overblown in your eyes because it isn't your community, your kids aren't getting screwed. We wanted to discuss breaking up the Triad prior because it made sense and we were told NO by the head of the boundary committee that they would not visit the boundary issue and the Triad issue at the same time. So we fought to keep the kids together rather than letting the Rosemary Hills neighborhood families get bused off and used as tokens to diversify Westland in a sea of strangers. In hindsight, it seems fighting to keep those kids with us was a mistake and created to unequal institutions, a return to Segregation in Westland's case. So you can just take a hike. I'll take my resources and go private with the other familes because I can.

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Honestly, it's just hard to have much sympathy for the CC parents on this issue (especially when presented with such dramatics). These same parents would probably say that their schools are better than the vast majority of the other schools in the county, and assuming that is true, you're doing pretty darn well.

CCES parent here. I would agree that the Triad is better than the vast majority of schools in the county. However, just because its seen by many as better does not make it an acceptable reason to screw over kids. Is it so wrong that I am not satisfied with being above average or even better than "the vast majority" of the county as PP put it, or that I want the absolute best for my children? I don't care what the county-wide FARMS rate, or racial makeup is, or capacity. I care about the school my kids go to. And if they're getting screwed over, as I believe option 7 is doing, then why would I not voice my concerns?

Ultimately, I think its a fair point being made by many PP - localization matters or diversity matters. With option 7 the super is talking out of both sides of his mouth. If they want to keep things local, readjust the ass-backward districting at RHES / CC / NCC and stop the bussing from CC to SS and vice versa. If they want to keep diversity, then move RCF to Westland.

Its not voicing your opinion that's the problem. Its the fact that A) your outrage/reaction is overblown B) you don't seem to get that there are other opinions and/or others who would be "screwed over" if things went a different way. C) you also don't seem to get that the BCC MS#2 boundary study is a separate issue from the Triad set up. Further, we could've discussed breaking up the Triad prior to this decision as many people pointed out but its only after things didn't go your way that you are considering it.

There are multiple CCES parents posting here. And we are outraged and have every right to be. It's only overblown in your eyes because it isn't your community, your kids aren't getting screwed. We wanted to discuss breaking up the Triad prior because it made sense and we were told NO by the head of the boundary committee that they would not visit the boundary issue and the Triad issue at the same time. So we fought to keep the kids together rather than letting the Rosemary Hills neighborhood families get bused off and used as tokens to diversify Westland in a sea of strangers. In hindsight, it seems fighting to keep those kids with us was a mistake and created to unequal institutions, a return to Segregation in Westland's case. So you can just take a hike. I'll take my resources and go private with the other familes because I can.

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Honestly, it's just hard to have much sympathy for the CC parents on this issue (especially when presented with such dramatics). These same parents would probably say that their schools are better than the vast majority of the other schools in the county, and assuming that is true, you're doing pretty darn well.

CCES parent here. I would agree that the Triad is better than the vast majority of schools in the county. However, just because its seen by many as better does not make it an acceptable reason to screw over kids. Is it so wrong that I am not satisfied with being above average or even better than "the vast majority" of the county as PP put it, or that I want the absolute best for my children? I don't care what the county-wide FARMS rate, or racial makeup is, or capacity. I care about the school my kids go to. And if they're getting screwed over, as I believe option 7 is doing, then why would I not voice my concerns?

Ultimately, I think its a fair point being made by many PP - localization matters or diversity matters. With option 7 the super is talking out of both sides of his mouth. If they want to keep things local, readjust the ass-backward districting at RHES / CC / NCC and stop the bussing from CC to SS and vice versa. If they want to keep diversity, then move RCF to Westland.

Its not voicing your opinion that's the problem. Its the fact that A) your outrage/reaction is overblown B) you don't seem to get that there are other opinions and/or others who would be "screwed over" if things went a different way. C) you also don't seem to get that the BCC MS#2 boundary study is a separate issue from the Triad set up. Further, we could've discussed breaking up the Triad prior to this decision as many people pointed out but its only after things didn't go your way that you are considering it.

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Honestly, it's just hard to have much sympathy for the CC parents on this issue (especially when presented with such dramatics). These same parents would probably say that their schools are better than the vast majority of the other schools in the county, and assuming that is true, you're doing pretty darn well.

CCES parent here. I would agree that the Triad is better than the vast majority of schools in the county. However, just because its seen by many as better does not make it an acceptable reason to screw over kids. Is it so wrong that I am not satisfied with being above average or even better than "the vast majority" of the county as PP put it, or that I want the absolute best for my children? I don't care what the county-wide FARMS rate, or racial makeup is, or capacity. I care about the school my kids go to. And if they're getting screwed over, as I believe option 7 is doing, then why would I not voice my concerns?

Ultimately, I think its a fair point being made by many PP - localization matters or diversity matters. With option 7 the super is talking out of both sides of his mouth. If they want to keep things local, readjust the ass-backward districting at RHES / CC / NCC and stop the bussing from CC to SS and vice versa. If they want to keep diversity, then move RCF to Westland.

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Honestly, it's just hard to have much sympathy for the CC parents on this issue (especially when presented with such dramatics). These same parents would probably say that their schools are better than the vast majority of the other schools in the county, and assuming that is true, you're doing pretty darn well.

CCES parent here. I would agree that the Triad is better than the vast majority of schools in the county. However, just because its seen by many as better does not make it an acceptable reason to screw over kids. Is it so wrong that I am not satisfied with being above average or even better than "the vast majority" of the county as PP put it, or that I want the absolute best for my children? I don't care what the county-wide FARMS rate, or racial makeup is, or capacity. I care about the school my kids go to. And if they're getting screwed over, as I believe option 7 is doing, then why would I not voice my concerns?

Ultimately, I think its a fair point being made by many PP - localization matters or diversity matters. With option 7 the super is talking out of both sides of his mouth. If they want to keep things local, readjust the ass-backward districting at RHES / CC / NCC and stop the bussing from CC to SS and vice versa. If they want to keep diversity, then move RCF to Westland.

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Honestly, it's just hard to have much sympathy for the CC parents on this issue (especially when presented with such dramatics). These same parents would probably say that their schools are better than the vast majority of the other schools in the county, and assuming that is true, you're doing pretty darn well.

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Anonymous wrote:This is all so crazy. Both schools are going to be great and successful and majority wealthy (and white). The vast majority of the county would love to go to either one. It's stunning that people think they're somehow burdened by having something like 15% poor kids. Grow up and see how fortunate you all are.

Exactly.

Amen (from a CC parent)

Wait until the flight begins. You are taking it for granted these parents won't go private. It is already beginning. I know of several parents, involved PTA members who have been instrumental in RHPS's successful PTA are already touring private schools since the decision came down. Hope RCF is ready to pick up the slack. I know it is going to make some people mad to hear this, especially those who want everyone to see everything their way but parents who have the means will look out for their own children first.

The good news is this is a solid case to break up the RHPS Triad. If equity and diversity doesn't matter and proximity does, then that should be the rule everywhere and the children of Chevy Chase should not be unfairly burdened when no one else in the county has this arrangement. I am already encouraging parents with babies and small children in my neighborhood to start sowing the seeds and campaign to end RHPS busing and revert to neighborhood schools since this ruling came down. MCPS shouldn't be able to have it both ways at the expense of small children.

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Oh the drama!! If people are leaving for private then great...less crowded! Maybe that was all part of the evil plan.... But I love the hyperbole here, and in many other posts on this thread, like "if equity and diversity doesn't matter and proximity does..." - people, it is a balancing act! Everyone puts slightly different weight on the various considerations. It doesn't mean other factors don't matter. And honestly the two schools won't be all that different, really, in the scheme of things.

Keep telling yourself that! It's not a balancing act when one community is consistently railroaded because their name happens to be "Chevy Chase" even though we have as much, if not more, diversity and Farms than RCF. And do I need to point out the people leaving are the ones that put the time money and effort into the schools to make them better. You can't be that naive.

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Anonymous wrote:So what is the best way to express concern about the superintendent's decision?

Can someone address this question? thanks

Send an email to the individual Board Members, or boe@mcpsmd.org. Conveniently for the Board, their vote on this issue is after the November 8th election so don't have to hear backlash at the polls in two weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:This is all so crazy. Both schools are going to be great and successful and majority wealthy (and white). The vast majority of the county would love to go to either one. It's stunning that people think they're somehow burdened by having something like 15% poor kids. Grow up and see how fortunate you all are.

Exactly.

Amen (from a CC parent)

Wait until the flight begins. You are taking it for granted these parents won't go private. It is already beginning. I know of several parents, involved PTA members who have been instrumental in RHPS's successful PTA are already touring private schools since the decision came down. Hope RCF is ready to pick up the slack. I know it is going to make some people mad to hear this, especially those who want everyone to see everything their way but parents who have the means will look out for their own children first.

The good news is this is a solid case to break up the RHPS Triad. If equity and diversity doesn't matter and proximity does, then that should be the rule everywhere and the children of Chevy Chase should not be unfairly burdened when no one else in the county has this arrangement. I am already encouraging parents with babies and small children in my neighborhood to start sowing the seeds and campaign to end RHPS busing and revert to neighborhood schools since this ruling came down. MCPS shouldn't be able to have it both ways at the expense of small children.

RHPS Parent