Anonymous wrote:We really should stop throwing the word treason around. It has a very specific definition in the US which you may want to look up what it means.

All right, I take it back. His comments weren't treasonous.

What word describes them?

"Sleeping with the enemy?"

Anonymous wrote:Trump's love is not about him, but about:

1) Nationalism
2) Isolationism/Protectionism
3) Nativism (the "birthers")
3) WASP-ism (Make America WASP again)

Hillary's love is not about her either, it is about:

1) Pro-Globalization: we are citizens of the world, that means (relatively) open borders and (relatively) open economy)
2) Diversity-gay-black-muslim come on board
3) Spiritual but non-religious-ism

The Bernie people are not on board with Hillary because they like 2 and 3 about Hillary but not 1. And they like 2 of Trump but not the rest of his agenda.

It comes down to what issues you feel most strongly about.

I have a good life and globalization has benefited me so I don't feel bad about it; but if your skills are such that your job can be outsourced to China, then I can see why you will feel differently.

I feel strongly about the SCOTUS appointmnets and thus will vote accordingly.

this a great summary, and I, too, benefited from globalization in that the multinational high tech company I work for makes $.

I'm voting for the least offensive person to my kids, and that would be HRC.

We really should stop throwing the word treason around. It has a very specific definition in the US which you may want to look up what it means.

For the umpteenth time, one cannot hack a non-existent server. If the Russians or anyone else did hack the server before it was removed from operation and wiped clean, they have the information already. If the emails are private there are no national security implications. If they do contain non-private emails that are classified that she deleted she obviously lied.

IMO, and it is pure conjecture, I think there were communications about the Clinton Foundation.

I suspect there are Republicans who believe that she deleted compromising emails. I have no idea whether she did or not. But the Clinton campaign seems to be concerned.

Leon Panetta, former head of the CIA, apparently is going to talk about Trump's remarks. IMO, it will play into Trumps's hands and the media and Trump will be talking about Panetta's remarks non-stop about this tomorrow.

Trump's supporters and most Republicans will not be detracted by Panetta or anyone else. For them, even those who don't really like Trump, the greater evil by far is Clinton. It is the polar opposite of what some Democrats who don't care for Hillary feel - Trump is the greater evil.

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But Trump managed to get the focus on him - almost totally for several hours - and in the process he reminded those not converted to his candidacy about the 30000 emails that were deleted, the DNC's bias and given the reaction of the Clinton campaign to this whole thing he has them worried about what may be forthcoming.

Trump got the upper hand because he told them to release her PRIVATE emails. What are the national security implications in releasing private deleted emails about her yoga lessons and plans to be a grandmother - unless there were emails improperly deleted?

No he didn't ask Russia to hack her "private emails about yoga".

Clearly *he* thinks there was something nefarious in the emails or why would he care about them? She's been scolded for being "careless". If the emails are just about yoga, and he believes that, time to move on.

BUt he doesn't believe that. He thinks there was something far worse there -- and he specifically spoke to the Russian intelligence agency that would be capable of carrying this out:

"“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,”

So he's telling spies in Russia, please hack into Clinton's private server (presumably remotely) and find deleted emails somehow.

*I* don't think there are likely national security issues in those deleted emails. But Trump very publicly does think so. That makes his comments treasonous.

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Anonymous wrote:He also said Tim Kaine was the governor of New Jersey??? What about his BFF Christie?

He did? That's hilarious

yes, he did.

https://youtu.be/nFXf_KrBXlU

Go back to the beginning of this thread. This topic has been discussed ad nauseam.
Compare it to Obama’s statement of “visiting 57 states.”
The discussion begins at 12:17 today. Page 3 of the discussion.

You should chill. I wonder what Christie has to say about that.

There's no way this guy is playing with a full deck, and let alone be President of anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump managed to shift the attention for much of the day to him and his remarks!

The DNC convention stopped being discussed. And all that Trump said was that Russia or any other country should release those PRIVATE emails that were deleted.

So what are the national security implications of Hillary's private communications being revealed ......... unless the emails deleted went beyond purely private communications.

I don't support Trump but the guy is nothing short of a genius in shifting media attention to himself.

You know what else Trump did? He took the attention off the content of the DNC emails and the attention squarely on the source of the hack. He won't take a minute of attention from Biden or Obama this evening, but there was a lot less talk about pissed off Berniebros and a lot more talk about Trump and Putin playing kissy face. Maybe that benefits Trump, but I don't see how.

The content of the DNC hack has been covered and DWS ended up being a casualty. Berniebros may come back into the spotlight depending on what transpires this evening.

But Trump managed to get the focus on him - almost totally for several hours - and in the process he reminded those not converted to his candidacy about the 30000 emails that were deleted, the DNC's bias and given the reaction of the Clinton campaign to this whole thing he has them worried about what may be forthcoming.

Trump got the upper hand because he told them to release her PRIVATE emails. What are the national security implications in releasing private deleted emails about her yoga lessons and plans to be a grandmother - unless there were emails improperly deleted?

Now if Obama or Biden bring up Trump's comments from this morning, the discussion tomorrow will be back to Trump and I am sure he will capitalize on it.

About the only downside for Trump is that given he got a decent bounce based on some polls is it wise to say something controversial at this juncture?

Yeah, he got lots of great headlines like these:
"Trump urges Russia to meddle in 2016 race by hacking Clinton emails"

"Ex-CIA chief: Trump 'beyond the pale,' 'truly not qualified'"

"Trump calls for Russians to find deleted Clinton emails: Mike Pence warns of 'consequences' if Russia hacked DNC emails"

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Anonymous wrote:Trump managed to shift the attention for much of the day to him and his remarks!

The DNC convention stopped being discussed. And all that Trump said was that Russia or any other country should release those PRIVATE emails that were deleted.

So what are the national security implications of Hillary's private communications being revealed ......... unless the emails deleted went beyond purely private communications.

I don't support Trump but the guy is nothing short of a genius in shifting media attention to himself.

You know what else Trump did? He took the attention off the content of the DNC emails and the attention squarely on the source of the hack. He won't take a minute of attention from Biden or Obama this evening, but there was a lot less talk about pissed off Berniebros and a lot more talk about Trump and Putin playing kissy face. Maybe that benefits Trump, but I don't see how.

The content of the DNC hack has been covered and DWS ended up being a casualty. Berniebros may come back into the spotlight depending on what transpires this evening.

But Trump managed to get the focus on him - almost totally for several hours - and in the process he reminded those not converted to his candidacy about the 30000 emails that were deleted, the DNC's bias and given the reaction of the Clinton campaign to this whole thing he has them worried about what may be forthcoming.

Trump got the upper hand because he told them to release her PRIVATE emails. What are the national security implications in releasing private deleted emails about her yoga lessons and plans to be a grandmother - unless there were emails improperly deleted?

Now if Obama or Biden bring up Trump's comments from this morning, the discussion tomorrow will be back to Trump and I am sure he will capitalize on it.

About the only downside for Trump is that given he got a decent bounce based on some polls is it wise to say something controversial at this juncture?

About his potentialally treasonous behavior!

And there may not be any national security risks in hacking her personal emails, but just to be clear: you're okay with a candidate asking a foreign power to hack an American politician and candidate for presidency if they're "just" personal emails?

Trump's love is not about him, but about:

1) Nationalism
2) Isolationism/Protectionism
3) Nativism (the "birthers")
3) WASP-ism (Make America WASP again)

Hillary's love is not about her either, it is about:

1) Pro-Globalization: we are citizens of the world, that means (relatively) open borders and (relatively) open economy)
2) Diversity-gay-black-muslim come on board
3) Spiritual but non-religious-ism

The Bernie people are not on board with Hillary because they like 2 and 3 about Hillary but not 1. And they like 2 of Trump but not the rest of his agenda.

It comes down to what issues you feel most strongly about.

I have a good life and globalization has benefited me so I don't feel bad about it; but if your skills are such that your job can be outsourced to China, then I can see why you will feel differently.

I feel strongly about the SCOTUS appointmnets and thus will vote accordingly.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump managed to shift the attention for much of the day to him and his remarks!

The DNC convention stopped being discussed. And all that Trump said was that Russia or any other country should release those PRIVATE emails that were deleted.

So what are the national security implications of Hillary's private communications being revealed ......... unless the emails deleted went beyond purely private communications.

I don't support Trump but the guy is nothing short of a genius in shifting media attention to himself.

You know what else Trump did? He took the attention off the content of the DNC emails and the attention squarely on the source of the hack. He won't take a minute of attention from Biden or Obama this evening, but there was a lot less talk about pissed off Berniebros and a lot more talk about Trump and Putin playing kissy face. Maybe that benefits Trump, but I don't see how.

The content of the DNC hack has been covered and DWS ended up being a casualty. Berniebros may come back into the spotlight depending on what transpires this evening.

But Trump managed to get the focus on him - almost totally for several hours - and in the process he reminded those not converted to his candidacy about the 30000 emails that were deleted, the DNC's bias and given the reaction of the Clinton campaign to this whole thing he has them worried about what may be forthcoming.

Trump got the upper hand because he told them to release her PRIVATE emails. What are the national security implications in releasing private deleted emails about her yoga lessons and plans to be a grandmother - unless there were emails improperly deleted?

Now if Obama or Biden bring up Trump's comments from this morning, the discussion tomorrow will be back to Trump and I am sure he will capitalize on it.

About the only downside for Trump is that given he got a decent bounce based on some polls is it wise to say something controversial at this juncture?

Anonymous wrote:Trump managed to shift the attention for much of the day to him and his remarks!

The DNC convention stopped being discussed. And all that Trump said was that Russia or any other country should release those PRIVATE emails that were deleted.

So what are the national security implications of Hillary's private communications being revealed ......... unless the emails deleted went beyond purely private communications.

I don't support Trump but the guy is nothing short of a genius in shifting media attention to himself.

You know what else Trump did? He took the attention off the content of the DNC emails and the attention squarely on the source of the hack. He won't take a minute of attention from Biden or Obama this evening, but there was a lot less talk about pissed off Berniebros and a lot more talk about Trump and Putin playing kissy face. Maybe that benefits Trump, but I don't see how.

Trump managed to shift the attention for much of the day to him and his remarks!

The DNC convention stopped being discussed. And all that Trump said was that Russia or any other country should release those PRIVATE emails that were deleted.

So what are the national security implications of Hillary's private communications being revealed ......... unless the emails deleted went beyond purely private communications.

I don't support Trump but the guy is nothing short of a genius in shifting media attention to himself.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is now trying to walk back his lies about having met Putin and having face-to-face discussions with him. His dishonesty is compulsive and pathological.

Change that to HRC's dishonesty is compulsive and pathological and you would be accurate.

Face it we have two candidates who both lie - Hillary does it intentionally and Trump, for the most part, does it because he has no filter between his mouth and his brain.

You give him too much credit. He is also plain dumb when it comes to political matters. I think a POTUS needs a filter, don't you? Isn't that why Biden kind of gets made fun of.. because he also sort of shoots his mouth off without thinking.

I agree with most of what you say. The issue is why he appeals so much to millions of Americans. And if you think it is racism, you are just plain wrong though I am sure that there are some who are racists. I say this because I know people who are voting for Trump and they are not racist by any stretch of the imagination. They are just disgusted with Hillary Clinton and the establishment and feel that something must be done to shake things up and they know that Hillary sure as hell will not do it.

A couple of them actually voted for Obama.

Until there is an an attempt to understand why these people find Trump appealing without attributing it to pat answers like uninformed voters and bigots, you and others will continue to be frustrated by his popularity.

But don't you think voting for someone who is not competent for the position simply for the purpose of change is dangerous? Some of his supporters are hoping that his advisers and other seasoned Repubs will reign him in, but as a POTUS, what he says on national TV and how he says it matters.

Again, I agree with you that having an uninformed person as president is unwise. I also think that having an individual like Hillary who is well informed but has terrible judgement and is dishonest to boot is also very troublesome.

I really don't know what the answer is because IMO we have two very flawed candidates. FYI, I am a Bernie supporter who has voted for Democrats forever and a day but I will not vote for Hillary.

If Trump becomes president, it will be because we presented the country with an unacceptable alternative to Trump. It is not because of racism or uninformed voters or any such thing although I am sure that Hillary supporters will blame it on those factors and on the liberals who refused to vote for her.

Umm, you mean if liberals refuse to vote for her, I shouldn't blame her loss on liberals who refuse to vote for her

You can blame me and others like me as much as you wish. I will blame those who insisted on supporting a seriously flawed candidate who 70% of the country thinks is dishonest and untrustworthy.

You Bernie Busters get to have it both ways - you get blame other people for the country's problems and retain your moral purity at the same time.

Here's a picture you should love.

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Anonymous wrote:fine, if you're for transparency no matter what, have at it.

Assange and Snowden are both hiding out, though. Snowden was taken in by....russia. Hmmm

The majority of Americans think that Snowden did the right thing. I certainly feel that way. An act of singular courage by Snowden.

Daniel Ellsberg disclosed the Pentagon Papers relating to the Vietnam war - he was tried for it and was finally acquitted by the Supreme Court. Another courageous person.

Without transparency, we are in jeopardy.

NP, and an American who thinks what he did put us in greater jeopardy. And there's nothing courageous about running from his deed.

Anonymous wrote:fine, if you're for transparency no matter what, have at it.

Assange and Snowden are both hiding out, though. Snowden was taken in by....russia. Hmmm

The majority of Americans think that Snowden did the right thing. I certainly feel that way. An act of singular courage by Snowden.

Daniel Ellsberg disclosed the Pentagon Papers relating to the Vietnam war - he was tried for it and was finally acquitted by the Supreme Court. Another courageous person.

Without transparency, we are in jeopardy.