Like I keep saying, the fuckups you keep pointing to are LOCAL. If you are having those problems, then it is LOCAL. You quite likely have braindead administrators along with a lot of other mediocrity and cluelessness going on in your school (probably yourself included), which is not at all the fault of NCLB or CC.

Ah. My favorite Common Core supporter. You are easily identified.

Can you please give an example of a school system that is properly implementing Common Core. Why are all these systems having so much trouble?

New York State has its own set of significant implementation screwups, which are not the fault of NCLB and Common Core. But even that said, I think what that article is trying to say is a gross mischaracterization of the extent of opt-outs, you are basically just talking about a couple of neighborhood schools with some rabid organized activists, whereas there are other accounts that say that statewide in New York State it is still not much more than 1% opting out overall.

And again, I have to scoff at the characterization of how much time they say it's taken away from their kids education. My own kid is taking PARCC exams later this week. Aside from a brief discussion and walkthrough of testing process and mechanics during one study hall, they have spent ZERO, yes ZERO hours on PARCC test prep.

Like I keep saying, the fuckups you keep pointing to are LOCAL. If you are having those problems, then it is LOCAL. You quite likely have braindead administrators along with a lot of other mediocrity and cluelessness going on in your school (probably yourself included), which is not at all the fault of NCLB or CC.

Schools with 50% and 75% opt out rates in New York:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/education/parents-pull-kids-school-dodge-common-core-article-1.1742510


New York is an important state.

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CC has accelerated it.

Wooohooo! We're really zooming and taking off like a rocket now!

(Um, lemme know when you hit 1%, OK?)

Zzzzzz......

CC has accelerated it.

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75%? Riiight. Just like you think you have a massive groundswell of people opting out of NCLB testing when the truth is you haven't even reached a single digit percentage.


Every groundswell starts with a single step.


What is the ETA for that groundswell? NCLB has been in effect since 2001.

The opt out movement is rather recent.

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75%? Riiight. Just like you think you have a massive groundswell of people opting out of NCLB testing when the truth is you haven't even reached a single digit percentage.

Every groundswell starts with a single step.

Now there's a mixed metaphor.

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75%? Riiight. Just like you think you have a massive groundswell of people opting out of NCLB testing when the truth is you haven't even reached a single digit percentage.

Every groundswell starts with a single step.

What is the ETA for that groundswell? NCLB has been in effect since 2001.

75%? Riiight. Just like you think you have a massive groundswell of people opting out of NCLB testing when the truth is you haven't even reached a single digit percentage.

Every groundswell starts with a single step.

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Anonymous wrote:
NCLB did not mandate any changes in teaching styles. Any changes in teaching styles were purely by choice. And it certainly did *not* change how students are able to learn.

Thanks for playing, better luck next time.



You have a lot to learn about the nature of human beings. If everything worked the way you think it does, we would have no need for capitalism. Incentives, disincentives, and competition are clearly part of NCLB and they don't work very well when the "manager" of them is faceless and clueless. All kinds of weird things happen. You have to see it to believe it. Obviously you haven't seen it. You can't say that teachers have power and then give them a whole lot of standards and a test designed outside of their system. You can't say they can do this or that and then tell them that if they don't do x or y they could lose their jobs. Very mixed signals. It doesn't work.


You'd maybe have more luck presenting that as a valid point if that were going on in every school. But it isn't. Your problem is local.

Do we need to wait until it's going on in EVERY school? Is 75% of schools enough?

75%? Riiight. Just like you think you have a massive groundswell of people opting out of NCLB testing when the truth is you haven't even reached a single digit percentage.

Your problem is local.

Then, why are so many states and local boards complaining about it?

Anonymous wrote:
NCLB did not mandate any changes in teaching styles. Any changes in teaching styles were purely by choice. And it certainly did *not* change how students are able to learn.

Thanks for playing, better luck next time.



You have a lot to learn about the nature of human beings. If everything worked the way you think it does, we would have no need for capitalism. Incentives, disincentives, and competition are clearly part of NCLB and they don't work very well when the "manager" of them is faceless and clueless. All kinds of weird things happen. You have to see it to believe it. Obviously you haven't seen it. You can't say that teachers have power and then give them a whole lot of standards and a test designed outside of their system. You can't say they can do this or that and then tell them that if they don't do x or y they could lose their jobs. Very mixed signals. It doesn't work.


You'd maybe have more luck presenting that as a valid point if that were going on in every school. But it isn't. Your problem is local.

Do we need to wait until it's going on in EVERY school? Is 75% of schools enough?

Anonymous wrote:

NCLB did not mandate any changes in teaching styles. Any changes in teaching styles were purely by choice. And it certainly did *not* change how students are able to learn.

Thanks for playing, better luck next time.

You have a lot to learn about the nature of human beings. If everything worked the way you think it does, we would have no need for capitalism. Incentives, disincentives, and competition are clearly part of NCLB and they don't work very well when the "manager" of them is faceless and clueless. All kinds of weird things happen. You have to see it to believe it. Obviously you haven't seen it. You can't say that teachers have power and then give them a whole lot of standards and a test designed outside of their system. You can't say they can do this or that and then tell them that if they don't do x or y they could lose their jobs. Very mixed signals. It doesn't work.

You'd maybe have more luck presenting that as a valid point if that were going on in every school. But it isn't. Your problem is local.

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Anonymous wrote:

NCLB did not mandate any changes in teaching styles. Any changes in teaching styles were purely by choice. And it certainly did *not* change how students are able to learn.

Thanks for playing, better luck next time.

No. But, when tests are tied to evaluation (teacher or school), fear sets in. Drill begins.

Those are decisions being made entirely at the LOCAL level.

They're being made entirely at the local level, in response to federal requirements. Have you read this book? http://www.amazon.com/Tested-American-School-Struggles-Grade/dp/0805088024 I think you might find it interesting.

By the way, it talks a lot about BCRs (brief constructed responses), which were a writing format demanded by Maryland's previous NCLB tests, the MSAs. Even if I hated the Common Core standards, which I don't, I would be grateful to the Common Core standards for getting rid of the MSAs, which got rid of the BCRs. In second grade, almost the only writing my pre-2.0 MCPS child did was BCRs. My 2.0 MCPS child gets to do much more, and much more interesting, writing.

NCLB did not mandate any changes in teaching styles. Any changes in teaching styles were purely by choice. And it certainly did *not* change how students are able to learn.

Thanks for playing, better luck next time.

You have a lot to learn about the nature of human beings. If everything worked the way you think it does, we would have no need for capitalism. Incentives, disincentives, and competition are clearly part of NCLB and they don't work very well when the "manager" of them is faceless and clueless. All kinds of weird things happen. You have to see it to believe it. Obviously you haven't seen it. You can't say that teachers have power and then give them a whole lot of standards and a test designed outside of their system. You can't say they can do this or that and then tell them that if they don't do x or y they could lose their jobs. Very mixed signals. It doesn't work.