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Meaning, she knew no Mandarin when she started as the YY Principal, or meaning she did know some, and has learned more since coming on? I get that your assessment is she's not great on the tones, but is she conversational?

(From what I remember) At her previous school in Virginia she worked with the Mandarin program. I was under the impression that she spoke none or very little at that time, but has since picked up some basics. She is not conversational and could not present something like an info night. I speak very little Mandarin myself and can pick up that her tones are as flat as mine are. I'm not troubled by that in terms of how it looks to outsiders. What concerns me is that over half of her staff is Chinese and she can't understand them.

How far has it really reached? As far as I can tell, OP's real agenda was to complain about YY. The title and reference to Tyler are disingenuous--read her posts and you'll see YY was the only immersion program she was considering. It was either that or her IB school. I haven't seen anything particularly substantive about other schools/programs.

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Anonymous wrote:For Christ's sake - there's enough YY vitriolic BS on this board over the last three years to kill a horse. There are 40 of you who give a shit - defenders or attackers. Can you start your own bitching board and give the rest of us a break?

And there are enough threads where people like you bitch about threads that beat dead horses, AS IF you are forced to open them.

Once a thread goes downhill for you, why do you keep opening it? This thread began as and is continuing to be a dialogue/fight about how best to achieve bilingual ed, other priorities, and how ethnic language speakers are recruited. While it has ended up focused on YY issues, it's still basically the same conversation.

If you don't like it, instead of expecting others to stop the conversation and start their own board, be an adult and use your freedom of choice: give yourself a break by not opening threads that are, from the beginning, about a topic that you obviously do not want to hear about anymore.

Hear, hear. PP is typically knee-jerk and only wants to defend YY. This has been a fascinating and far-reaching thread.

Not the PP, but I'm not sure what is either fascinating or far-reaching. Perhaps it's that I have higher standards, because it looks like the same old bitterness. Tall-poppy syndrome at work.

For one thing, the whole examination of whether ethnic speakers are valued in the classroom and in the Administration, how they get to the schools where they are in big numbers, the obstacles to recurting/enrolling ethnic speakers, some people's prejudices to certain groups as students or Administrators, and which schools basically still run dual lotteries... that is ALL interesting and while there may be bitterness behind what some people posted, there is also a lot of interesting things to consider. And for every person who posts in a thread like this, there are many more who just read but don't post. I imagine some of them are like me as well and actually learned a few things from this.

So Tall Poppy Syndrome or not, this has been a very interesting conversation and bitterness aside, I have learned a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:For Christ's sake - there's enough YY vitriolic BS on this board over the last three years to kill a horse. There are 40 of you who give a shit - defenders or attackers. Can you start your own bitching board and give the rest of us a break?

And there are enough threads where people like you bitch about threads that beat dead horses, AS IF you are forced to open them.

Once a thread goes downhill for you, why do you keep opening it? This thread began as and is continuing to be a dialogue/fight about how best to achieve bilingual ed, other priorities, and how ethnic language speakers are recruited. While it has ended up focused on YY issues, it's still basically the same conversation.

If you don't like it, instead of expecting others to stop the conversation and start their own board, be an adult and use your freedom of choice: give yourself a break by not opening threads that are, from the beginning, about a topic that you obviously do not want to hear about anymore.

Hear, hear. PP is typically knee-jerk and only wants to defend YY. This has been a fascinating and far-reaching thread.

Not the PP, but I'm not sure what is either fascinating or far-reaching. Perhaps it's that I have higher standards, because it looks like the same old bitterness. Tall-poppy syndrome at work.

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Anonymous wrote:For Christ's sake - there's enough YY vitriolic BS on this board over the last three years to kill a horse. There are 40 of you who give a shit - defenders or attackers. Can you start your own bitching board and give the rest of us a break?

And there are enough threads where people like you bitch about threads that beat dead horses, AS IF you are forced to open them.

Once a thread goes downhill for you, why do you keep opening it? This thread began as and is continuing to be a dialogue/fight about how best to achieve bilingual ed, other priorities, and how ethnic language speakers are recruited. While it has ended up focused on YY issues, it's still basically the same conversation.

If you don't like it, instead of expecting others to stop the conversation and start their own board, be an adult and use your freedom of choice: give yourself a break by not opening threads that are, from the beginning, about a topic that you obviously do not want to hear about anymore.

Hear, hear. PP is typically knee-jerk and only wants to defend YY. This has been a fascinating and far-reaching thread.