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🚨Report: Democrats are trying to create a plan that will overturn the Virginia Supreme Court ruling that overturned their map

The plan would include lowering the mandatory retirement age for justices from 75 to 54 (or less). Therefore, that would remove every current justice on the court. Then the Democrat majority the state legislature would appoint 7 new justices and they would redraw the map to a 10D-1R map

Via: The New York Times

Wait until you hear what republicans did in Utah when they lost a redistricting case. The increased the number of judges of the court and created an entirely new court just for hearing redistricting cases while stripping the state Supreme Court of jurisdiction. And then for good measure, they launched a BS investigation of one of the judges who ruled against them, forcing her to resign.

Seems as if the Utah judge who resigned did so because of a HUGE conflict of interest. How did republicans “force” her to resign?

🚨New: The Utah Supreme Court Justice Diana Hagen has now resigned

She voted for the new Utah congressional map that gave Democrats an extra seat

The reason for her resignation is she allegedly had a romantic relationship with an attorney involved in the redistricting case

Interesting that this tweet doesn’t mention the fact that she recused herself from the case where he was the attorney. The complaint so obviously BS that the judicial conduct commission dismissed it, but the Utah legislature saw an opportunity to air all the dirty laundry around her divorce.

Meanwhile republicans do not care at all about Clarence Thomas accepting houses, RVs, private jet trips, vacations, etc. from parties in front of him. The also don’t care that Roberta wife gets paid millions as “consultant” to law firms appearing before him.

Exactly! All courts should be as corrupt as the SCOTUS.

Or as corrupt as the VA SC.

The author of the majority VA SC is a Democrat who was appointed by Democrat Mark Warner and approved by the Democrat majority in VA. Your assertion is that democrats are corrupt?

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Anonymous wrote:The part about the Utah story that's so interesting to me is not the resignation, but that the legislature has created an entirely new court to hear constitutional disputes (including redistricting). Democrats should be learning from all of this.

Republicans are not shy in using their power. Slightly different context, but the legislatures in both Wisconsin and NC stripped the governor of power in lame duck sessions right after a democrat won the governorship in those states. Both Arizona and Georgia republicans expanded and packed their supreme courts when it became clear those states were going purple. And of course there was the attempt to keep Allison Riggs from taking her seat on the NC Supreme Court after she won the 2024 election. When the Iowa Supreme Court ruled abortion was a right protected by the state constitution, Iowa republicans passed a bunch of bills removing powers from the Chief Justice and giving them to the republican governor so he could pack the courts. The list goes on.

No kings, amirght?

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🚨Report: Democrats are trying to create a plan that will overturn the Virginia Supreme Court ruling that overturned their map

The plan would include lowering the mandatory retirement age for justices from 75 to 54 (or less). Therefore, that would remove every current justice on the court. Then the Democrat majority the state legislature would appoint 7 new justices and they would redraw the map to a 10D-1R map

Via: The New York Times

Wait until you hear what republicans did in Utah when they lost a redistricting case. The increased the number of judges of the court and created an entirely new court just for hearing redistricting cases while stripping the state Supreme Court of jurisdiction. And then for good measure, they launched a BS investigation of one of the judges who ruled against them, forcing her to resign.

Seems as if the Utah judge who resigned did so because of a HUGE conflict of interest. How did republicans “force” her to resign?

🚨New: The Utah Supreme Court Justice Diana Hagen has now resigned

She voted for the new Utah congressional map that gave Democrats an extra seat

The reason for her resignation is she allegedly had a romantic relationship with an attorney involved in the redistricting case

Interesting that this tweet doesn’t mention the fact that she recused herself from the case where he was the attorney. The complaint so obviously BS that the judicial conduct commission dismissed it, but the Utah legislature saw an opportunity to air all the dirty laundry around her divorce.

Meanwhile republicans do not care at all about Clarence Thomas accepting houses, RVs, private jet trips, vacations, etc. from parties in front of him. The also don’t care that Roberta wife gets paid millions as “consultant” to law firms appearing before him.

Exactly! All courts should be as corrupt as the SCOTUS.

Or as corrupt as the VA SC.

The author of the majority VA SC is a Democrat who was appointed by Democrat Mark Warner and approved by the Democrat majority in VA. Your assertion is that democrats are corrupt?

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Anonymous wrote:The part about the Utah story that's so interesting to me is not the resignation, but that the legislature has created an entirely new court to hear constitutional disputes (including redistricting). Democrats should be learning from all of this.

Republicans are not shy in using their power. Slightly different context, but the legislatures in both Wisconsin and NC stripped the governor of power in lame duck sessions right after a democrat won the governorship in those states. Both Arizona and Georgia republicans expanded and packed their supreme courts when it became clear those states were going purple. And of course there was the attempt to keep Allison Riggs from taking her seat on the NC Supreme Court after she won the 2024 election. When the Iowa Supreme Court ruled abortion was a right protected by the state constitution, Iowa republicans passed a bunch of bills removing powers from the Chief Justice and giving them to the republican governor so he could pack the courts. The list goes on.

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Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS won’t take the case, more time and money wasted by VA democrats.

I can’t even with this lawyer brain. This was a decision by republican politicians to help out other republican politicians. So now they want to appeal to yet another group of republican politicians? Gee guys, I wonder what they’ll do? They might as well appeal to a committee of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and John Thune.

Seriously. I thought democrats were starting to get it, but this move just shows they still don’t. Apparently even after Calais, Virginia democrats still think SCOTUS is some neutral forum that will fairly apply the law.

I’m not sure what it’s going to take to get it through their thick skulls. How about they take a page from how republicans have reacted to court losses?

They could look at Ohio republicans and just ignore their state Supreme Court.

Or they could look at Utah republicans, who launched a bad faith investigation of a justice who ruled against them and forced her to resign.

Or they want a veneer of legality around it, they could get creative and lower the retirement age for Supreme Court justices to 70, forcing one of the justices who ruled against them off the bench, immediately appoint a replacement, and get the case reheard.

Okay. Say the Supremes overturn the referendum ruling.
You do know that the Dems appealed to the VASC to delay the ruling (prior to the election) because of the Virginia law--you know, the law they are NOW complaining about with the timing of the election.

GOP has also filed against the referendum results on the basis of the lack of "neutral language" in it. VA Supremes did not rule on that because they already overruled the referendum.
I don't understand how this all works, but if the US Supremes rule in favor of the Dems, does that case still get considered?

Why are you wasting time thinking about things that won’t happen. The Supreme Court is controlled by republicans and will vote for republican interests. Why can’t democrats understand that? It’s like you guys just can’t let go of this fairy tale that the Supreme Court has anything to do with law or justice. They are politicians in robes. Accept that and act accordingly.

So make them do it. Don't pre-surrender. Make them do what we all know they are going to do. Hem them in and expose the partisan bs for the partisan bs it is.

Whether State Constitutions, State Courts, State Electorates, and State Governors even have any say in federal elections is something this partisan SCOTUS (and the GOP) has been flirting with and was the legal cover for what they were trying to do on Jan 6th.

Louisiana is talking about cancelling an election that is ongoing right now in order to redistrict after the VRA decision.

Make SCOTUS either rule against those shenanigans or overturn the Virginia Courts decision. There are broader implications involved. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. Not making them choose is a flight of idiocy.

And on what ground would they overturn the VA Supreme Court's ruling on what the Virginia Constitution says? SCOTUS has no say, unless there was some sort of due process issue which there is not. You seem to think you will make them go on record but that is not what would happen. They would just deny cert without comment. There is nothing partisan in this one.

According to their theory neither the VA Supreme Court or the Virginia Constitution has any relevence. The only thing that matters, according to their theory, is what the Legislature says.

Don't assume anything or pre-surrender. Use their own arguments.

Didn't the VA legislature propose the original amendment to have non-partisan redistricting? I think it passed with well over 60%.

The irony is that in the court case, it was the AG who requested that the election go forward and wait until after the election to rule.

And the legislature proposed this one as well. According to MAGA theory the legislature has absolute unchecked power to do whatever they want without regard to state constitutions, state courts or even the results of a vote.

Re all the dishonest liberal pundits spouting off numbers about the Virginia vote total on redistricting:

1.605 million -- YES
1.499 million -- NO

2.771 million -- YES
1.447 million -- NO

The first vote was on the 10-1 map.

The second vote was on the Amendment to the Virginia Constitution in 2020 banning partisan gerrymandering in the drawing of congressional maps.

Where was democracy most ignored?

Ironically, most of the people who voted yes in 2020 were the same people voting yes again this year. Dems have been pushing to ban gerrymandering for years.

Republicans are perfectly fine with gerrymandering as long as it helps them.

Doesn't that show Democrats are also perfectly fine with gerrymandering as long as it helps them?

Democrats are OK with no gerrymandering.

If Republicans are going to gerrymander the shit out of red states then Democrats will try to limit the damage.

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Anonymous wrote:So who do you think came up with this insane idea????

🚨Report: Democrats are trying to create a plan that will overturn the Virginia Supreme Court ruling that overturned their map

The plan would include lowering the mandatory retirement age for justices from 75 to 54 (or less). Therefore, that would remove every current justice on the court. Then the Democrat majority the state legislature would appoint 7 new justices and they would redraw the map to a 10D-1R map

Via: The New York Times

Wait until you hear what republicans did in Utah when they lost a redistricting case. The increased the number of judges of the court and created an entirely new court just for hearing redistricting cases while stripping the state Supreme Court of jurisdiction. And then for good measure, they launched a BS investigation of one of the judges who ruled against them, forcing her to resign.

Seems as if the Utah judge who resigned did so because of a HUGE conflict of interest. How did republicans “force” her to resign?

🚨New: The Utah Supreme Court Justice Diana Hagen has now resigned

She voted for the new Utah congressional map that gave Democrats an extra seat

The reason for her resignation is she allegedly had a romantic relationship with an attorney involved in the redistricting case

Interesting that this tweet doesn’t mention the fact that she recused herself from the case where he was the attorney. The complaint so obviously BS that the judicial conduct commission dismissed it, but the Utah legislature saw an opportunity to air all the dirty laundry around her divorce.

Meanwhile republicans do not care at all about Clarence Thomas accepting houses, RVs, private jet trips, vacations, etc. from parties in front of him. The also don’t care that Roberta wife gets paid millions as “consultant” to law firms appearing before him.

Exactly! All courts should be as corrupt as the SCOTUS.

Or as corrupt as the VA SC.

Anonymous wrote:The part about the Utah story that's so interesting to me is not the resignation, but that the legislature has created an entirely new court to hear constitutional disputes (including redistricting). Democrats should be learning from all of this.

Anonymous wrote:The part about the Utah story that's so interesting to me is not the resignation, but that the legislature has created an entirely new court to hear constitutional disputes (including redistricting). Democrats should be learning from all of this.

Anonymous wrote:The part about the Utah story that's so interesting to me is not the resignation, but that the legislature has created an entirely new court to hear constitutional disputes (including redistricting). Democrats should be learning from all of this.

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Anonymous wrote:So who do you think came up with this insane idea????

🚨Report: Democrats are trying to create a plan that will overturn the Virginia Supreme Court ruling that overturned their map

The plan would include lowering the mandatory retirement age for justices from 75 to 54 (or less). Therefore, that would remove every current justice on the court. Then the Democrat majority the state legislature would appoint 7 new justices and they would redraw the map to a 10D-1R map

Via: The New York Times

Wait until you hear what republicans did in Utah when they lost a redistricting case. The increased the number of judges of the court and created an entirely new court just for hearing redistricting cases while stripping the state Supreme Court of jurisdiction. And then for good measure, they launched a BS investigation of one of the judges who ruled against them, forcing her to resign.

Seems as if the Utah judge who resigned did so because of a HUGE conflict of interest. How did republicans “force” her to resign?

🚨New: The Utah Supreme Court Justice Diana Hagen has now resigned

She voted for the new Utah congressional map that gave Democrats an extra seat

The reason for her resignation is she allegedly had a romantic relationship with an attorney involved in the redistricting case

Interesting that this tweet doesn’t mention the fact that she recused herself from the case where he was the attorney. The complaint so obviously BS that the judicial conduct commission dismissed it, but the Utah legislature saw an opportunity to air all the dirty laundry around her divorce.

Meanwhile republicans do not care at all about Clarence Thomas accepting houses, RVs, private jet trips, vacations, etc. from parties in front of him. The also don’t care that Roberta wife gets paid millions as “consultant” to law firms appearing before him.

Exactly! All courts should be as corrupt as the SCOTUS.

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Anonymous wrote:So who do you think came up with this insane idea????

🚨Report: Democrats are trying to create a plan that will overturn the Virginia Supreme Court ruling that overturned their map

The plan would include lowering the mandatory retirement age for justices from 75 to 54 (or less). Therefore, that would remove every current justice on the court. Then the Democrat majority the state legislature would appoint 7 new justices and they would redraw the map to a 10D-1R map

Via: The New York Times

Wait until you hear what republicans did in Utah when they lost a redistricting case. The increased the number of judges of the court and created an entirely new court just for hearing redistricting cases while stripping the state Supreme Court of jurisdiction. And then for good measure, they launched a BS investigation of one of the judges who ruled against them, forcing her to resign.

Seems as if the Utah judge who resigned did so because of a HUGE conflict of interest. How did republicans “force” her to resign?

🚨New: The Utah Supreme Court Justice Diana Hagen has now resigned

She voted for the new Utah congressional map that gave Democrats an extra seat

The reason for her resignation is she allegedly had a romantic relationship with an attorney involved in the redistricting case

Interesting that this tweet doesn’t mention the fact that she recused herself from the case where he was the attorney. The complaint so obviously BS that the judicial conduct commission dismissed it, but the Utah legislature saw an opportunity to air all the dirty laundry around her divorce.

Meanwhile republicans do not care at all about Clarence Thomas accepting houses, RVs, private jet trips, vacations, etc. from parties in front of him. The also don’t care that Robert's wife gets paid millions as “consultant” to law firms appearing before him.

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Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS won’t take the case, more time and money wasted by VA democrats.

I can’t even with this lawyer brain. This was a decision by republican politicians to help out other republican politicians. So now they want to appeal to yet another group of republican politicians? Gee guys, I wonder what they’ll do? They might as well appeal to a committee of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and John Thune.

Seriously. I thought democrats were starting to get it, but this move just shows they still don’t. Apparently even after Calais, Virginia democrats still think SCOTUS is some neutral forum that will fairly apply the law.

I’m not sure what it’s going to take to get it through their thick skulls. How about they take a page from how republicans have reacted to court losses?

They could look at Ohio republicans and just ignore their state Supreme Court.

Or they could look at Utah republicans, who launched a bad faith investigation of a justice who ruled against them and forced her to resign.

Or they want a veneer of legality around it, they could get creative and lower the retirement age for Supreme Court justices to 70, forcing one of the justices who ruled against them off the bench, immediately appoint a replacement, and get the case reheard.

Okay. Say the Supremes overturn the referendum ruling.
You do know that the Dems appealed to the VASC to delay the ruling (prior to the election) because of the Virginia law--you know, the law they are NOW complaining about with the timing of the election.

GOP has also filed against the referendum results on the basis of the lack of "neutral language" in it. VA Supremes did not rule on that because they already overruled the referendum.
I don't understand how this all works, but if the US Supremes rule in favor of the Dems, does that case still get considered?

Why are you wasting time thinking about things that won’t happen. The Supreme Court is controlled by republicans and will vote for republican interests. Why can’t democrats understand that? It’s like you guys just can’t let go of this fairy tale that the Supreme Court has anything to do with law or justice. They are politicians in robes. Accept that and act accordingly.

So make them do it. Don't pre-surrender. Make them do what we all know they are going to do. Hem them in and expose the partisan bs for the partisan bs it is.

Whether State Constitutions, State Courts, State Electorates, and State Governors even have any say in federal elections is something this partisan SCOTUS (and the GOP) has been flirting with and was the legal cover for what they were trying to do on Jan 6th.

Louisiana is talking about cancelling an election that is ongoing right now in order to redistrict after the VRA decision.

Make SCOTUS either rule against those shenanigans or overturn the Virginia Courts decision. There are broader implications involved. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. Not making them choose is a flight of idiocy.

And on what ground would they overturn the VA Supreme Court's ruling on what the Virginia Constitution says? SCOTUS has no say, unless there was some sort of due process issue which there is not. You seem to think you will make them go on record but that is not what would happen. They would just deny cert without comment. There is nothing partisan in this one.

According to their theory neither the VA Supreme Court or the Virginia Constitution has any relevence. The only thing that matters, according to their theory, is what the Legislature says.

Don't assume anything or pre-surrender. Use their own arguments.

Didn't the VA legislature propose the original amendment to have non-partisan redistricting? I think it passed with well over 60%.

The irony is that in the court case, it was the AG who requested that the election go forward and wait until after the election to rule.

And the legislature proposed this one as well. According to MAGA theory the legislature has absolute unchecked power to do whatever they want without regard to state constitutions, state courts or even the results of a vote.

Re all the dishonest liberal pundits spouting off numbers about the Virginia vote total on redistricting:

1.605 million -- YES
1.499 million -- NO

2.771 million -- YES
1.447 million -- NO

The first vote was on the 10-1 map.

The second vote was on the Amendment to the Virginia Constitution in 2020 banning partisan gerrymandering in the drawing of congressional maps.

Where was democracy most ignored?

Ironically, most of the people who voted yes in 2020 were the same people voting yes again this year. Dems have been pushing to ban gerrymandering for years.

Republicans are perfectly fine with gerrymandering as long as it helps them.

Doesn't that show Democrats are also perfectly fine with gerrymandering as long as it helps them?

This is really simple:

Democrats: We oppose gerrymandering by all parties, but if Republicans do it, we will follow suit.
Republicans: We are in favor of gerrymandering, but only when we do it.

THIS

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Democrats: We oppose gerrymandering by all parties, but if Republicans do it, we will follow suit.
Republicans: We are in favor of gerrymandering, but only when we do it.


You all are hypocrites. I don't know how you can sleep at night. Rules for thee but not for me, right?

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Anonymous wrote:So who do you think came up with this insane idea????

🚨Report: Democrats are trying to create a plan that will overturn the Virginia Supreme Court ruling that overturned their map

The plan would include lowering the mandatory retirement age for justices from 75 to 54 (or less). Therefore, that would remove every current justice on the court. Then the Democrat majority the state legislature would appoint 7 new justices and they would redraw the map to a 10D-1R map

Via: The New York Times

Wait until you hear what republicans did in Utah when they lost a redistricting case. The increased the number of judges of the court and created an entirely new court just for hearing redistricting cases while stripping the state Supreme Court of jurisdiction. And then for good measure, they launched a BS investigation of one of the judges who ruled against them, forcing her to resign.

Seems as if the Utah judge who resigned did so because of a HUGE conflict of interest. How did republicans “force” her to resign?

🚨New: The Utah Supreme Court Justice Diana Hagen has now resigned

She voted for the new Utah congressional map that gave Democrats an extra seat

The reason for her resignation is she allegedly had a romantic relationship with an attorney involved in the redistricting case

Interesting that this tweet doesn’t mention the fact that she recused herself from the case where he was the attorney. The complaint so obviously BS that the judicial conduct commission dismissed it, but the Utah legislature saw an opportunity to air all the dirty laundry around her divorce.

Meanwhile republicans do not care at all about Clarence Thomas accepting houses, RVs, private jet trips, vacations, etc. from parties in front of him. The also don’t care that Roberta wife gets paid millions as “consultant” to law firms appearing before him.

Exactly! All courts should be as corrupt as the SCOTUS.

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Anonymous wrote:So who do you think came up with this insane idea????

🚨Report: Democrats are trying to create a plan that will overturn the Virginia Supreme Court ruling that overturned their map

The plan would include lowering the mandatory retirement age for justices from 75 to 54 (or less). Therefore, that would remove every current justice on the court. Then the Democrat majority the state legislature would appoint 7 new justices and they would redraw the map to a 10D-1R map

Via: The New York Times

Wait until you hear what republicans did in Utah when they lost a redistricting case. The increased the number of judges of the court and created an entirely new court just for hearing redistricting cases while stripping the state Supreme Court of jurisdiction. And then for good measure, they launched a BS investigation of one of the judges who ruled against them, forcing her to resign.

Seems as if the Utah judge who resigned did so because of a HUGE conflict of interest. How did republicans “force” her to resign?

🚨New: The Utah Supreme Court Justice Diana Hagen has now resigned

She voted for the new Utah congressional map that gave Democrats an extra seat

The reason for her resignation is she allegedly had a romantic relationship with an attorney involved in the redistricting case

Interesting that this tweet doesn’t mention the fact that she recused herself from the case where he was the attorney. The complaint so obviously BS that the judicial conduct commission dismissed it, but the Utah legislature saw an opportunity to air all the dirty laundry around her divorce.

Meanwhile republicans do not care at all about Clarence Thomas accepting houses, RVs, private jet trips, vacations, etc. from parties in front of him. The also don’t care that Roberta wife gets paid millions as “consultant” to law firms appearing before him.