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Anonymous wrote:For all the naysayers, we will see what the BOE says (it could adopt another option) and then if any appeal or litigation gets filed. You may not agree with Wootton families, but they have the right to pursue such avenues.

Go ahead but you are just wasting our taxes.

Just like MCPS did in building Crown, but you’re okay with that….

Crown was a good choice.

To spend $400M when it wasn’t needed in order to not lose land with a 20-year expiration?

Even Taylor admitted building Crown was a mistake.

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Anonymous wrote:For all the naysayers, we will see what the BOE says (it could adopt another option) and then if any appeal or litigation gets filed. You may not agree with Wootton families, but they have the right to pursue such avenues.

I have an anecdotal opinion. Don't think that just because a handful of crackpots got TV airtime that they represent the majority of Wootton parents. There were many more parents who, once they understood the details, withdrew their support from the "save wootton" litigation/protest/movement. Of the three individuals who I know remained "hardcore", I dug a little into their motivation. In one case the person was a non-native-English-speaker who really didn't understand the specifics. In two other cases, the individuals seemed to have unspoken reasons for resisting a move to Crown. Once the full set of facts and details are exposed in court on cross-examination, I believe their lawsuit will collapse, but that's an opinion based on personal interactions.

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Anonymous wrote:For all the naysayers, we will see what the BOE says (it could adopt another option) and then if any appeal or litigation gets filed. You may not agree with Wootton families, but they have the right to pursue such avenues.

Go ahead but you are just wasting our taxes.

Just like MCPS did in building Crown, but you’re okay with that….

Crown was a good choice.

To spend $400M when it wasn’t needed in order to not lose land with a 20-year expiration?

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Anonymous wrote:For all the naysayers, we will see what the BOE says (it could adopt another option) and then if any appeal or litigation gets filed. You may not agree with Wootton families, but they have the right to pursue such avenues.

Go ahead but you are just wasting our taxes.

Just like MCPS did in building Crown, but you’re okay with that….

Crown was a good choice.

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Anonymous wrote:For all the naysayers, we will see what the BOE says (it could adopt another option) and then if any appeal or litigation gets filed. You may not agree with Wootton families, but they have the right to pursue such avenues.

Go ahead but you are just wasting our taxes.

Just like MCPS did in building Crown, but you’re okay with that….

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Anonymous wrote:At a minimum, Crown should be used as a holding school for Magruder. It would allow the Magruder repairs to be completed much quicker than if they have to wait to fix Wootton before they can use that as their holding school.

And if Taylor wants to use Wootton as a holding school, then there is no reason to move Wootton to Crown unless it is declared unfit for human habitation - which means that MCPS is officially closing Wootton. In that case, MCPS must comply with COMAR regulations, which it hasn’t. Taylor is trying to get around this failure by moving the boundary at the same time he moves Wootton’s kids over to Crown (but not all Wootton kids).

This isn't true. No evidence that a rebuild is a closure. And in fact buildings have been rebuilt on several occasions without it triggering closure requirements.

If Wootton is going to be used as a holding school, there is no reason to close it, move the Wootton boundary to encompass Crown, and transplant the Wootton kids into Crown.

If Taylor officially condemns Wootton’s building, slates it for demolition, and agrees NEVER to use the current building as a holding school, then Option H would make a bit more sense. If he won’t, then this is all a charade to cover up his incompetence or intentional plan to avoid using Crown as a holding school.

Option H does make sense given timing. The Crown building is slated to open in 2027, the need for a holding school will be sometime in the future after 2027, and current enrollment doesn't require a 27th high school.

The current Wootton site is probably going to sit empty for a couple years after Wootton moves to Crown until the holding school is needed.

The point is that if Wootton will be used as the holding school, then it can be operated where it is right now. Crown can be used as a holding school because that gives MCPS the flexibility it needs - just like Woodward is today. Instead, Option H closes a high performing school.

Option H moves Wootton; 5 out of 6 of the elementary schools are staying in the boundary, all the administrators and teachers are moving to the new location. If it was a closure, the admins and teachers would be dispersed among other schools in MCPS.

The current Wootton site as a holding school is the most flexible, since MCPS doesn't have plans to use a holding school by 2027. The needed renovations for Wootton can be delayed until money is budgeted and a holding school is actually needed.

The Crown site will be ready for students by 2027, so either it sits empty waiting for MCPS to need a holding school or it's used for its intended purpose as a high school. Moving Wootton to Crown just makes the most sense given the situation.

FACTS. But Wootton families don't deal in those.

Nope. It closes it. If it were a move, the. Taylor wouldn’t have to move the boundaries to make it happen. He also wouldn’t need to carve up Wootton’s student body. But he’s doing both.

Just admit it. Taylor is trying to fille a school that shouldn’t have been built, but he wants to use Wootton as a holding school - both of which help MCPS cover up its poor planning, with Wootton kids treated as playing cards.

Wootton families are saying that their facility is unsafe. If its unsafe the most logical things given what is available is to move them to crown. Every school is getting redistricted, not just Wootton. All our kids are being move around. There also needs to be a holding school as there are many schools that need serious repairs or replacements. Wootton families won by getting a new school.

Just use Crown as a holding school like Woodward, and spend a little money to repair Wootton. This makes sense if Wootton will be repaired in order to use it as a holding school that you claim is desperately needed right now. That makes even more sense because it’s less disruptive than Option H.

Because fixing Wootton would be very expensive and it’s not budgeted for a while out and parents are saying Wootton is unsafe.

Define very expensive. Also, how is it that MCPS doesn’t have money to fix Wootton before transplanting its kids to Crown, but does have the money to fix it after they’re transplanted. What you’re really saying is that MCPS doesn’t want to find the money now, but will absolutely find the money when it needs Wootton as a holding school.

By the way, why should we believe anything that MCPS says anymore? It built Crown and spent $300-$400 million using pre-COVID enrollment projections, conveniently right before it was going to lose the free land that Crown sits on due to a 20-year reversion clause when it was given to MCPS in 2006.

MCPS used bad data to build Crown and is using bad data to close Wootton.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fDMQDtzI7hY

My understanding is that only minor, less costly changes are needed to make it suitable as a holding school that students and teachers are in and out of in a couple years, but that Wootton families won't tolerate only the small repairs and want much bigger more expensive renovations or replacement if they stay there. Is that not correct?

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Go ahead but you are just wasting our taxes.

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Anonymous wrote:At a minimum, Crown should be used as a holding school for Magruder. It would allow the Magruder repairs to be completed much quicker than if they have to wait to fix Wootton before they can use that as their holding school.

And if Taylor wants to use Wootton as a holding school, then there is no reason to move Wootton to Crown unless it is declared unfit for human habitation - which means that MCPS is officially closing Wootton. In that case, MCPS must comply with COMAR regulations, which it hasn’t. Taylor is trying to get around this failure by moving the boundary at the same time he moves Wootton’s kids over to Crown (but not all Wootton kids).

This isn't true. No evidence that a rebuild is a closure. And in fact buildings have been rebuilt on several occasions without it triggering closure requirements.

If Wootton is going to be used as a holding school, there is no reason to close it, move the Wootton boundary to encompass Crown, and transplant the Wootton kids into Crown.

If Taylor officially condemns Wootton’s building, slates it for demolition, and agrees NEVER to use the current building as a holding school, then Option H would make a bit more sense. If he won’t, then this is all a charade to cover up his incompetence or intentional plan to avoid using Crown as a holding school.

Option H does make sense given timing. The Crown building is slated to open in 2027, the need for a holding school will be sometime in the future after 2027, and current enrollment doesn't require a 27th high school.

The current Wootton site is probably going to sit empty for a couple years after Wootton moves to Crown until the holding school is needed.

The point is that if Wootton will be used as the holding school, then it can be operated where it is right now. Crown can be used as a holding school because that gives MCPS the flexibility it needs - just like Woodward is today. Instead, Option H closes a high performing school.

Option H moves Wootton; 5 out of 6 of the elementary schools are staying in the boundary, all the administrators and teachers are moving to the new location. If it was a closure, the admins and teachers would be dispersed among other schools in MCPS.

The current Wootton site as a holding school is the most flexible, since MCPS doesn't have plans to use a holding school by 2027. The needed renovations for Wootton can be delayed until money is budgeted and a holding school is actually needed.

The Crown site will be ready for students by 2027, so either it sits empty waiting for MCPS to need a holding school or it's used for its intended purpose as a high school. Moving Wootton to Crown just makes the most sense given the situation.

FACTS. But Wootton families don't deal in those.

Nope. It closes it. If it were a move, the. Taylor wouldn’t have to move the boundaries to make it happen. He also wouldn’t need to carve up Wootton’s student body. But he’s doing both.

Just admit it. Taylor is trying to fille a school that shouldn’t have been built, but he wants to use Wootton as a holding school - both of which help MCPS cover up its poor planning, with Wootton kids treated as playing cards.

He *doesn't* need to move the boundaries to make it happen. But using the proposed boundaries makes much more sense and is much fairer than simply moving Wootton over as-is. And we are in the midst of a boundary study so it's the appropriate time to make sensible boundary changes to Wootton, and there's no good reason not to (except that some Wootton parents will gripe about it.)

Is the Crown building under construction within Wootton’s boundaries? I thought it was outside Wootton’s boundaries, which is why Taylor had to propose boundary changes in order to avoid Wootton being deemed a closure under Maryland law? If it’s within Wootton’s boundaries, what right to Gaithersburg families have to claim it was built solely for them?

The apartments across the street from Crown at Rio are districted to Wootton, the Crown neighborhood is districted to Gaithersburg.

The DuFief, Stone Mill, and Travilah ES are currently districted to Wootton and they're closer to Crown than the current Wootton building.

A boundary study was always going to need to be done when Crown opens because its surrounding area is currently districted to other schools.

The City of Gaithersburg's concerns were addressed when the Fields Road community got moved in along with the Crown neighborhood to Wootton @ Crown in the modified H recommendation.

+1 this. My neighorhood goes to RM but our neighborhood is closer to current Wootton than most of the kids currently in boundsry for Wootton. The majority of Wootton kids live in North Potomac which is closer to Crown and some kids currently at Fallsmead in Wootton cluster can walk to Crown. Its no different than now - some Fallsmead kids can walk to current Wootton, so with the location change other current Fallsmead atudents can walk. Wootton is getting very upset about change for *them* but in a boundary study many students shift schools and boundaries. That is literally the purpose of the study ...

North Potomac is a fancy word for Gaithersburg.

As a resident of actual Gaithersburg city proper, yes and no.

The sections that call themselves North Potomac aren't actually in the city limits of Gaithersburg; they're sandwiched between the boundaries of Gaithersburg and Rockville. For awhile, the zip code read as "Gaithersburg", but they got their own name now.

But, I've been around long enough that I still roll my eyes at "North Potomac" and "North Bethesda".

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Anonymous wrote:At a minimum, Crown should be used as a holding school for Magruder. It would allow the Magruder repairs to be completed much quicker than if they have to wait to fix Wootton before they can use that as their holding school.

And if Taylor wants to use Wootton as a holding school, then there is no reason to move Wootton to Crown unless it is declared unfit for human habitation - which means that MCPS is officially closing Wootton. In that case, MCPS must comply with COMAR regulations, which it hasn’t. Taylor is trying to get around this failure by moving the boundary at the same time he moves Wootton’s kids over to Crown (but not all Wootton kids).

This isn't true. No evidence that a rebuild is a closure. And in fact buildings have been rebuilt on several occasions without it triggering closure requirements.

If Wootton is going to be used as a holding school, there is no reason to close it, move the Wootton boundary to encompass Crown, and transplant the Wootton kids into Crown.

If Taylor officially condemns Wootton’s building, slates it for demolition, and agrees NEVER to use the current building as a holding school, then Option H would make a bit more sense. If he won’t, then this is all a charade to cover up his incompetence or intentional plan to avoid using Crown as a holding school.

Option H does make sense given timing. The Crown building is slated to open in 2027, the need for a holding school will be sometime in the future after 2027, and current enrollment doesn't require a 27th high school.

The current Wootton site is probably going to sit empty for a couple years after Wootton moves to Crown until the holding school is needed.

The point is that if Wootton will be used as the holding school, then it can be operated where it is right now. Crown can be used as a holding school because that gives MCPS the flexibility it needs - just like Woodward is today. Instead, Option H closes a high performing school.

Option H moves Wootton; 5 out of 6 of the elementary schools are staying in the boundary, all the administrators and teachers are moving to the new location. If it was a closure, the admins and teachers would be dispersed among other schools in MCPS.

The current Wootton site as a holding school is the most flexible, since MCPS doesn't have plans to use a holding school by 2027. The needed renovations for Wootton can be delayed until money is budgeted and a holding school is actually needed.

The Crown site will be ready for students by 2027, so either it sits empty waiting for MCPS to need a holding school or it's used for its intended purpose as a high school. Moving Wootton to Crown just makes the most sense given the situation.

FACTS. But Wootton families don't deal in those.

Nope. It closes it. If it were a move, the. Taylor wouldn’t have to move the boundaries to make it happen. He also wouldn’t need to carve up Wootton’s student body. But he’s doing both.

Just admit it. Taylor is trying to fille a school that shouldn’t have been built, but he wants to use Wootton as a holding school - both of which help MCPS cover up its poor planning, with Wootton kids treated as playing cards.

Wootton families are saying that their facility is unsafe. If its unsafe the most logical things given what is available is to move them to crown. Every school is getting redistricted, not just Wootton. All our kids are being move around. There also needs to be a holding school as there are many schools that need serious repairs or replacements. Wootton families won by getting a new school.

Just use Crown as a holding school like Woodward, and spend a little money to repair Wootton. This makes sense if Wootton will be repaired in order to use it as a holding school that you claim is desperately needed right now. That makes even more sense because it’s less disruptive than Option H.

It's not a "just". We don't need an additional HS given the declining enrollment.

Crown will be a brand new HS; Wootton still needs a ton of repairs. Wootton can have the bare minimum repairs done to make it a temporary holding school. It makes zero sense to have a brand new HS be a temporary holding school. Once the other schools are repaired, what would Crown, a brand new school, be used for ?

In 5 to 10 years, the enrollment is due to decline significantly. Neighboring HS won't be as over capacity as it is now. So, if Crown HS opens up as a regular HS, and boundaries are redrawn for Crown HS, then the other HS will be < 80% capacity. That's a complete waste of money.

Woodward was like a Wootton. It was already a school but needed a lot of repairs. They repaired it enough to be a holding school. So, as you pointed out, Wootton, like Woodward, should be a holding school, not Crown.

Agree. And it is Wootton community who is proposing an additional high school by advocating for this "hybrid" school. So which is it? We don't need it or we should have it for funsies?

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Anonymous wrote:At a minimum, Crown should be used as a holding school for Magruder. It would allow the Magruder repairs to be completed much quicker than if they have to wait to fix Wootton before they can use that as their holding school.

And if Taylor wants to use Wootton as a holding school, then there is no reason to move Wootton to Crown unless it is declared unfit for human habitation - which means that MCPS is officially closing Wootton. In that case, MCPS must comply with COMAR regulations, which it hasn’t. Taylor is trying to get around this failure by moving the boundary at the same time he moves Wootton’s kids over to Crown (but not all Wootton kids).

This isn't true. No evidence that a rebuild is a closure. And in fact buildings have been rebuilt on several occasions without it triggering closure requirements.

If Wootton is going to be used as a holding school, there is no reason to close it, move the Wootton boundary to encompass Crown, and transplant the Wootton kids into Crown.

If Taylor officially condemns Wootton’s building, slates it for demolition, and agrees NEVER to use the current building as a holding school, then Option H would make a bit more sense. If he won’t, then this is all a charade to cover up his incompetence or intentional plan to avoid using Crown as a holding school.

Option H does make sense given timing. The Crown building is slated to open in 2027, the need for a holding school will be sometime in the future after 2027, and current enrollment doesn't require a 27th high school.

The current Wootton site is probably going to sit empty for a couple years after Wootton moves to Crown until the holding school is needed.

The point is that if Wootton will be used as the holding school, then it can be operated where it is right now. Crown can be used as a holding school because that gives MCPS the flexibility it needs - just like Woodward is today. Instead, Option H closes a high performing school.

Option H moves Wootton; 5 out of 6 of the elementary schools are staying in the boundary, all the administrators and teachers are moving to the new location. If it was a closure, the admins and teachers would be dispersed among other schools in MCPS.

The current Wootton site as a holding school is the most flexible, since MCPS doesn't have plans to use a holding school by 2027. The needed renovations for Wootton can be delayed until money is budgeted and a holding school is actually needed.

The Crown site will be ready for students by 2027, so either it sits empty waiting for MCPS to need a holding school or it's used for its intended purpose as a high school. Moving Wootton to Crown just makes the most sense given the situation.

FACTS. But Wootton families don't deal in those.

Nope. It closes it. If it were a move, the. Taylor wouldn’t have to move the boundaries to make it happen. He also wouldn’t need to carve up Wootton’s student body. But he’s doing both.

Just admit it. Taylor is trying to fille a school that shouldn’t have been built, but he wants to use Wootton as a holding school - both of which help MCPS cover up its poor planning, with Wootton kids treated as playing cards.

Wootton families are saying that their facility is unsafe. If its unsafe the most logical things given what is available is to move them to crown. Every school is getting redistricted, not just Wootton. All our kids are being move around. There also needs to be a holding school as there are many schools that need serious repairs or replacements. Wootton families won by getting a new school.

Just use Crown as a holding school like Woodward, and spend a little money to repair Wootton. This makes sense if Wootton will be repaired in order to use it as a holding school that you claim is desperately needed right now. That makes even more sense because it’s less disruptive than Option H.

It's not a "just". We don't need an additional HS given the declining enrollment.

Crown will be a brand new HS; Wootton still needs a ton of repairs. Wootton can have the bare minimum repairs done to make it a temporary holding school. It makes zero sense to have a brand new HS be a temporary holding school. Once the other schools are repaired, what would Crown, a brand new school, be used for ?

In 5 to 10 years, the enrollment is due to decline significantly. Neighboring HS won't be as over capacity as it is now. So, if Crown HS opens up as a regular HS, and boundaries are redrawn for Crown HS, then the other HS will be < 80% capacity. That's a complete waste of money.

Woodward was like a Wootton. It was already a school but needed a lot of repairs. They repaired it enough to be a holding school. So, as you pointed out, Wootton, like Woodward, should be a holding school, not Crown.

You do know that WJ will be at 77% capacity and very low FARMS when the dust settles, right?

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Anonymous wrote:At a minimum, Crown should be used as a holding school for Magruder. It would allow the Magruder repairs to be completed much quicker than if they have to wait to fix Wootton before they can use that as their holding school.

And if Taylor wants to use Wootton as a holding school, then there is no reason to move Wootton to Crown unless it is declared unfit for human habitation - which means that MCPS is officially closing Wootton. In that case, MCPS must comply with COMAR regulations, which it hasn’t. Taylor is trying to get around this failure by moving the boundary at the same time he moves Wootton’s kids over to Crown (but not all Wootton kids).

This isn't true. No evidence that a rebuild is a closure. And in fact buildings have been rebuilt on several occasions without it triggering closure requirements.

If Wootton is going to be used as a holding school, there is no reason to close it, move the Wootton boundary to encompass Crown, and transplant the Wootton kids into Crown.

If Taylor officially condemns Wootton’s building, slates it for demolition, and agrees NEVER to use the current building as a holding school, then Option H would make a bit more sense. If he won’t, then this is all a charade to cover up his incompetence or intentional plan to avoid using Crown as a holding school.

Option H does make sense given timing. The Crown building is slated to open in 2027, the need for a holding school will be sometime in the future after 2027, and current enrollment doesn't require a 27th high school.

The current Wootton site is probably going to sit empty for a couple years after Wootton moves to Crown until the holding school is needed.

The point is that if Wootton will be used as the holding school, then it can be operated where it is right now. Crown can be used as a holding school because that gives MCPS the flexibility it needs - just like Woodward is today. Instead, Option H closes a high performing school.

Option H moves Wootton; 5 out of 6 of the elementary schools are staying in the boundary, all the administrators and teachers are moving to the new location. If it was a closure, the admins and teachers would be dispersed among other schools in MCPS.

The current Wootton site as a holding school is the most flexible, since MCPS doesn't have plans to use a holding school by 2027. The needed renovations for Wootton can be delayed until money is budgeted and a holding school is actually needed.

The Crown site will be ready for students by 2027, so either it sits empty waiting for MCPS to need a holding school or it's used for its intended purpose as a high school. Moving Wootton to Crown just makes the most sense given the situation.

FACTS. But Wootton families don't deal in those.

Nope. It closes it. If it were a move, the. Taylor wouldn’t have to move the boundaries to make it happen. He also wouldn’t need to carve up Wootton’s student body. But he’s doing both.

Just admit it. Taylor is trying to fille a school that shouldn’t have been built, but he wants to use Wootton as a holding school - both of which help MCPS cover up its poor planning, with Wootton kids treated as playing cards.

He *doesn't* need to move the boundaries to make it happen. But using the proposed boundaries makes much more sense and is much fairer than simply moving Wootton over as-is. And we are in the midst of a boundary study so it's the appropriate time to make sensible boundary changes to Wootton, and there's no good reason not to (except that some Wootton parents will gripe about it.)

Is the Crown building under construction within Wootton’s boundaries? I thought it was outside Wootton’s boundaries, which is why Taylor had to propose boundary changes in order to avoid Wootton being deemed a closure under Maryland law? If it’s within Wootton’s boundaries, what right to Gaithersburg families have to claim it was built solely for them?

The apartments across the street from Crown at Rio are districted to Wootton, the Crown neighborhood is districted to Gaithersburg.

The DuFief, Stone Mill, and Travilah ES are currently districted to Wootton and they're closer to Crown than the current Wootton building.

A boundary study was always going to need to be done when Crown opens because its surrounding area is currently districted to other schools.

The City of Gaithersburg's concerns were addressed when the Fields Road community got moved in along with the Crown neighborhood to Wootton @ Crown in the modified H recommendation.

+1 this. My neighorhood goes to RM but our neighborhood is closer to current Wootton than most of the kids currently in boundsry for Wootton. The majority of Wootton kids live in North Potomac which is closer to Crown and some kids currently at Fallsmead in Wootton cluster can walk to Crown. Its no different than now - some Fallsmead kids can walk to current Wootton, so with the location change other current Fallsmead atudents can walk. Wootton is getting very upset about change for *them* but in a boundary study many students shift schools and boundaries. That is literally the purpose of the study ...

North Potomac is a fancy word for Gaithersburg.