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Anonymous wrote:Sooooooo agreed D3 is not an accomplishment. But congrats on having a smart kid.

Purely soccer related in terms of quality of soccer player

1. P4
2. High end Mid Majors
3. High end D3
4. Mid mid majors
5. Lower level D1/Top level D2
6. Lower level D2/Almost any NAIA
7. Lower level D3

Best blend of academics and athletics

1. P4 elite schools (Duke, Stanford, Vandy, etc)
2. Upper half of Ivy
3. P4 very good schools (North Carolina, Texas, Michigan, UVA)/Bottom Ivys (Brown, Cornell)
4. D3 elite schools (MIT, WashU, Hopkins)
5. Mid Major elite schools (Purdue, Boston College VT)
6. All other major state schools (Illinois, UCSD)
7-10. Lower level D1, Any D2 or NAIA or lower level D3)

lol that list. UVA Michigan UT.. 3… nope. Anything blended with sports you drip IVY. A Top public school.. and 2 top 10 engineering schools. Sorry D3 is going to be comparable to no name D1 schools.

So you think "blended" Ivy schools are better than Duke/Stanford/Northwestern? Guess it depends on your x/y axis. If you put SAT on one and final college poll on the other one Ivy nowhere near upper right in women's soccer. Not even close

no UVA UT UNC Mich are all above your IVY flex if you are a elite soccer player. Keep trying.

Anonymous wrote:Stop feeding the troll that tries to tell you who is best, what your DD should do, nothing matters but what he says. Everybody wants different things, and has different values. Except this troll that thinks he can dictate it for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Sooooooo agreed D3 is not an accomplishment. But congrats on having a smart kid.

Purely soccer related in terms of quality of soccer player

1. P4
2. High end Mid Majors
3. High end D3
4. Mid mid majors
5. Lower level D1/Top level D2
6. Lower level D2/Almost any NAIA
7. Lower level D3

Best blend of academics and athletics

1. P4 elite schools (Duke, Stanford, Vandy, etc)
2. Upper half of Ivy
3. P4 very good schools (North Carolina, Texas, Michigan, UVA)/Bottom Ivys (Brown, Cornell)
4. D3 elite schools (MIT, WashU, Hopkins)
5. Mid Major elite schools (Purdue, Boston College VT)
6. All other major state schools (Illinois, UCSD)
7-10. Lower level D1, Any D2 or NAIA or lower level D3)

lol that list. UVA Michigan UT.. 3… nope. Anything blended with sports you drip IVY. A Top public school.. and 2 top 10 engineering schools. Sorry D3 is going to be comparable to no name D1 schools.

So you think "blended" Ivy schools are better than Duke/Stanford/Northwestern? Guess it depends on your x/y axis. If you put SAT on one and final college poll on the other one Ivy nowhere near upper right in women's soccer. Not even close

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Anonymous wrote:Sooooooo agreed D3 is not an accomplishment. But congrats on having a smart kid.

Purely soccer related in terms of quality of soccer player

1. P4
2. High end Mid Majors
3. High end D3
4. Mid mid majors
5. Lower level D1/Top level D2
6. Lower level D2/Almost any NAIA
7. Lower level D3

Best blend of academics and athletics

1. P4 elite schools (Duke, Stanford, Vandy, etc)
2. Upper half of Ivy
3. P4 very good schools (North Carolina, Texas, Michigan, UVA)/Bottom Ivys (Brown, Cornell)
4. D3 elite schools (MIT, WashU, Hopkins)
5. Mid Major elite schools (Purdue, Boston College VT)
6. All other major state schools (Illinois, UCSD)
7-10. Lower level D1, Any D2 or NAIA or lower level D3)

lol that list. UVA Michigan UT.. 3… nope. Anything blended with sports you drip IVY. A Top public school.. and 2 top 10 engineering schools. Sorry D3 is going to be comparable to no name D1 schools.

Mid major means a non-P4 conference. BC, Purdue, VT, Illinois are all P4’s.

Yep. But I get the point. University of Chicago significantly higher academic than VT and not that far behind in terms of soccer talent. VT 0-8-2 in the ACC this year. Doesnt scream soccer elite.

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Anonymous wrote:Sooooooo agreed D3 is not an accomplishment. But congrats on having a smart kid.

Purely soccer related in terms of quality of soccer player

1. P4
2. High end Mid Majors
3. High end D3
4. Mid mid majors
5. Lower level D1/Top level D2
6. Lower level D2/Almost any NAIA
7. Lower level D3

Best blend of academics and athletics

1. P4 elite schools (Duke, Stanford, Vandy, etc)
2. Upper half of Ivy
3. P4 very good schools (North Carolina, Texas, Michigan, UVA)/Bottom Ivys (Brown, Cornell)
4. D3 elite schools (MIT, WashU, Hopkins)
5. Mid Major elite schools (Purdue, Boston College VT)
6. All other major state schools (Illinois, UCSD)
7-10. Lower level D1, Any D2 or NAIA or lower level D3)

lol that list. UVA Michigan UT.. 3… nope. Anything blended with sports you drip IVY. A Top public school.. and 2 top 10 engineering schools. Sorry D3 is going to be comparable to no name D1 schools.

Mid major means a non-P4 conference. BC, Purdue, VT, Illinois are all P4’s.

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Anonymous wrote:Sooooooo agreed D3 is not an accomplishment. But congrats on having a smart kid.

Purely soccer related in terms of quality of soccer player

1. P4
2. High end Mid Majors
3. High end D3
4. Mid mid majors
5. Lower level D1/Top level D2
6. Lower level D2/Almost any NAIA
7. Lower level D3

Best blend of academics and athletics

1. P4 elite schools (Duke, Stanford, Vandy, etc)
2. Upper half of Ivy
3. P4 very good schools (North Carolina, Texas, Michigan, UVA)/Bottom Ivys (Brown, Cornell)
4. D3 elite schools (MIT, WashU, Hopkins)
5. Mid Major elite schools (Purdue, Boston College VT)
6. All other major state schools (Illinois, UCSD)
7-10. Lower level D1, Any D2 or NAIA or lower level D3)

lol that list. UVA Michigan UT.. 3… nope. Anything blended with sports you drip IVY. A Top public school.. and 2 top 10 engineering schools. Sorry D3 is going to be comparable to no name D1 schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Sooooooo agreed D3 is not an accomplishment. But congrats on having a smart kid.

Purely soccer related in terms of quality of soccer player

1. P4
2. High end Mid Majors
3. High end D3
4. Mid mid majors
5. Lower level D1/Top level D2
6. Lower level D2/Almost any NAIA
7. Lower level D3

Best blend of academics and athletics

1. P4 elite schools (Duke, Stanford, Vandy, etc)
2. Upper half of Ivy
3. P4 very good schools (North Carolina, Texas, Michigan, UVA)/Bottom Ivys (Brown, Cornell)
4. D3 elite schools (MIT, WashU, Hopkins)
5. Mid Major elite schools (Purdue, Boston College VT)
6. All other major state schools (Illinois, UCSD)
7-10. Lower level D1, Any D2 or NAIA or lower level D3)

lol that list. UVA Michigan UT.. 3… nope. Anything blended with sports you drip IVY. A Top public school.. and 2 top 10 engineering schools. Sorry D3 is going to be comparable to no name D1 schools.

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- The d1 vs d3 thing was all 😳

- This is a soccer thread & why we all come here. What this sub forum is not is one discussing education.

- With that said if you are playing at Arlington, Bethesda, Fairfax Union, MD United, NVA, Richmond United, VDA or VRSC it’s your goal & dream to play d1. Anything beneath that soccer wise is a bust. Players playing & spending less on ECNL RL, EDP, GA Aspire or NCSL are making d3 rosters without spending as much & traveling.

- One doesn’t get treated the same playing d1 as they d2 or d3.

- Strictly talking soccer and not academics.

Sorry but you strike me as Al Bundy/Uncle Rico type. Sports is life. Der.

Some of us are looking to optimize sports and academics. I also seriously doubt you actually know much about D3, but why would you I guess. Wash U roster is loaded. GA and ECNL members that could have played almost anywhere. One was on the Canadian National team for u17. But you wouldn't have a clue about that.

I dont get why people get so hung up on D1. A third of freshmen girls entered the portal. Want to guess how many did in D3?

But you enjoy the job prospects of a Coppin State or Arkansas Pine Bluff degree while the Canadian National Team member majors in data science at Wash U 🤣

As Judge Smails so appropriately put it, the world needs ditch diggers too.............

4 years vs 40 my friends.........

this is a soccer forum dummy. You are just deflecting. If your kid is smart enough to get into a academic school they are obviously going there for education and soccer is a bonus. Sorry D3 soccer isnt an accomplishment or flex. And likely you are paying for that expensive education.

??? You don't think playing D3 college soccer is an accomplishment? This is an absolutely asinine take.

d3 is absolutely an accomplishment

no its not. Anyone with club experience can make a D3 team somewhere in the country. But same poster keeps making this about academics. At that point its not about soccer its about education. So i would expect you are picking schools based off and not basing it off where you can play meaningless D3 soccer.

I would argue that all soccer levels are meaningless if they dont somehow funnel into playing professionally.

From there I would argue that playing professionally for a league with salary caps (like mls + nwsl) is meaningless.

You don’t see any benefit to playing college sports?

They are replying to the post earlier where PP said anything outside of D1 is meaningless. Whether D1, DII, DIII, it all means the students have a great work ethic if and only if they graduate with good grades. A kid who graduates from Washington and Lee with a 4.0 while playing soccer is going to get into a Ivy League graduate school over the kid from Syracuse with a 3.0. Law School and Med School don't care about soccer accomplishments. They care about the Academic level of the school and the GPA only.

On a soccer level however, all of it doesn't mean anything unless going to Pro level, which is your highly successful D1 players, meaning All-Conference and All-American. On that level, you are a talking a maximum of maybe five players per age group from the entire DMV including Baltimore and Richmond that make the cut. Perhaps those 5 can play in NWSL or over seas and make minimum pay. I think that is roughly a fair number based on the current Freshman, maybe a couple more. One could argue anything outside that is "meaningless" soccer. I mean really think about that. Just because your kid plays for VDA does not mean your kid is one of the top 10 in VA, MD, DE, and WV. If your child is on the USYNT, than sure, but what, we have 4 or four of them at most, and not all at the same camps. Your DD is not Trinity Rodman, Rose Lavelle, Sophia Smith, etc. On top of that the players I just mentioned are from different age groups.

Look, to be clear, I get P4. Have no gripes with P4. Most P4s have high Academic standards. Getting the percs that come along with it. I get it. But your standard Towson, UMBC, Duquesne, and many many mid-majors that are not well known for Academics, that is what I am talking about vs. the DIII Johns Hopkins type schools vs the previously mentioned D1 schools.

Accomplishment in my POV- Duke, Stanford, FSU, and almost all P4s...however, some players are going to learn the hard way that they did not belong on this level and end up transferring to mediocre mid majors. Their parents were P4 or bust, ignoring what really mattered. These are usually players that don't start on good ECNL teams and are recruited for just being on that good ECNL team, surrounded by players that make them look better than what they are. Meanwhile, schools like VT recruit them, put them through hell where they end up quitting all together or transferring. Now, on the brightside, it is an accomplishment as they got into to VT for soccer and benefit from the VT Academics moving forward.

No legs to stand on, putting DIII players and families down - Any D1s accepting more than 50% of its applicants including Big East Schools like St. John's and Seton Hall. Your kid is not special. Schools like these are not even in the same discussion as Johns Hopkins. The top players at WashU or Emory could just as easily play in the Big East if they wanted to. I've seen so many coach interviews saying exactly that over the years. Top DIIIs can compete with mid majors day in and day out. If you are a parent trying to justify a mid major D1 experience over top of an Ivy level education, your priorities are wrong. if your kid doesn't have perfect grades or maybe not as intelligent as others, than going to a Towson or Seton Hall might make sense. Also, if your college tuition is mostly paid for, 100% nothing wrong about going to one of those mid major schools. In the end however, a player going to a Johns Hopkins and playing soccer is going to have a MAJOR advantage over a player coming out of Appalachian State or Butler University. Don't hate the player, hate the complete well rounded athletic and academic game.

Your crapping on the big east? That’s not even good enough for you? Who can afford Johns Hopkins?

You’re a loser. Your nanny and your landscaper told me. Your wife is probably sleeping with both of them.

At least the Hopkins kid knows the difference between your and you're. But I admire that you threw both of them in there just to cover your bases.

Poster makes a pretty good post and this mouth breather can only come up with "Der, your (note the correct usage, the more you know) wife probably sleeps around".

I was multitasking and voice texted so I didn’t read it. I’m so sorry for that.

Pretty good post? It’s an idiotic post. Typical though. Somebody doesn’t have the means to pay for Johns Hopkins and doesn’t make a low enough income to qualify for aid so you trash them. Have to love that.

The top division threes are not as good as the division ones. Believe me, you can’t just talk it into existence. It’s a different level of athleticism required.

Why are you compensating so hard?

Voice text my ass. Siri knows the difference in usage based on context. 🤡

But to address your point. EVERYONE can afford any school in the nation. Literally. If you had to pay for Hopkins through loans and got a free ride to VCU your lifetime ROI is STILL better at Hopkins.

And I dont have to guess, like you are, I have been in the youth soccer game for a very long time. Wash U and UofC would beat half the d1 schools out there. They literally play friendlies against D1 schools all the time. Could WashU beat Duke? Of course not. But there are 300+ D1 schools. Many of them absolutely suck.

As for the quality of D3, I picked UofC randomly and just started going down the roster from top to bottom:

MVA-ECNL
Pride-ECNL (2nd team AC)
World Class-ECNL
Not disclosed
PDA-ECNL
MVA-ECNL
PDA-ECNL
Not disclosed but said 3X ECNL conference champion
MVA
Not disclosed
Rush USYS
UWSL as highschooler

I am not going to go through the entire roster but anyone that thinks high level D3 stinks you are just wrong, on many levels.

Just Google D1 women's soccer programs. I wont name names but you can see a ton of these schools are unimpressive as hell

Nobody said high-level D3 stinks. Taking it too far. Stop trying to compare them to high division one programs. They’re not. Because if those players could play at high-level division, one programs, they would!

Actually several people have said D3 stinks. Not an accomplishment, if you had any D1 offers you wouldn't be considering D3, etc etc

While actually nobody said D3 compared to high division one programs. Not a single person. In fact they said specifically high division one programs were better.

Seriously reading comprehension is not that tough.

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Anonymous wrote:Sooooooo agreed D3 is not an accomplishment. But congrats on having a smart kid.

Purely soccer related in terms of quality of soccer player

1. P4
2. High end Mid Majors
3. High end D3
4. Mid mid majors
5. Lower level D1/Top level D2
6. Lower level D2/Almost any NAIA
7. Lower level D3

Best blend of academics and athletics

1. P4 elite schools (Duke, Stanford, Vandy, etc)
2. Upper half of Ivy
3. P4 very good schools (North Carolina, Texas, Michigan, UVA)/Bottom Ivys (Brown, Cornell)
4. D3 elite schools (MIT, WashU, Hopkins)
5. Mid Major elite schools (Purdue, Boston College VT)
6. All other major state schools (Illinois, UCSD)
7-10. Lower level D1, Any D2 or NAIA or lower level D3)

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- The d1 vs d3 thing was all 😳

- This is a soccer thread & why we all come here. What this sub forum is not is one discussing education.

- With that said if you are playing at Arlington, Bethesda, Fairfax Union, MD United, NVA, Richmond United, VDA or VRSC it’s your goal & dream to play d1. Anything beneath that soccer wise is a bust. Players playing & spending less on ECNL RL, EDP, GA Aspire or NCSL are making d3 rosters without spending as much & traveling.

- One doesn’t get treated the same playing d1 as they d2 or d3.

- Strictly talking soccer and not academics.

Sorry but you strike me as Al Bundy/Uncle Rico type. Sports is life. Der.

Some of us are looking to optimize sports and academics. I also seriously doubt you actually know much about D3, but why would you I guess. Wash U roster is loaded. GA and ECNL members that could have played almost anywhere. One was on the Canadian National team for u17. But you wouldn't have a clue about that.

I dont get why people get so hung up on D1. A third of freshmen girls entered the portal. Want to guess how many did in D3?

But you enjoy the job prospects of a Coppin State or Arkansas Pine Bluff degree while the Canadian National Team member majors in data science at Wash U 🤣

As Judge Smails so appropriately put it, the world needs ditch diggers too.............

4 years vs 40 my friends.........

this is a soccer forum dummy. You are just deflecting. If your kid is smart enough to get into a academic school they are obviously going there for education and soccer is a bonus. Sorry D3 soccer isnt an accomplishment or flex. And likely you are paying for that expensive education.

??? You don't think playing D3 college soccer is an accomplishment? This is an absolutely asinine take.

d3 is absolutely an accomplishment

no its not. Anyone with club experience can make a D3 team somewhere in the country. But same poster keeps making this about academics. At that point its not about soccer its about education. So i would expect you are picking schools based off and not basing it off where you can play meaningless D3 soccer.

I would argue that all soccer levels are meaningless if they dont somehow funnel into playing professionally.

From there I would argue that playing professionally for a league with salary caps (like mls + nwsl) is meaningless.

You don’t see any benefit to playing college sports?

They are replying to the post earlier where PP said anything outside of D1 is meaningless. Whether D1, DII, DIII, it all means the students have a great work ethic if and only if they graduate with good grades. A kid who graduates from Washington and Lee with a 4.0 while playing soccer is going to get into a Ivy League graduate school over the kid from Syracuse with a 3.0. Law School and Med School don't care about soccer accomplishments. They care about the Academic level of the school and the GPA only.

On a soccer level however, all of it doesn't mean anything unless going to Pro level, which is your highly successful D1 players, meaning All-Conference and All-American. On that level, you are a talking a maximum of maybe five players per age group from the entire DMV including Baltimore and Richmond that make the cut. Perhaps those 5 can play in NWSL or over seas and make minimum pay. I think that is roughly a fair number based on the current Freshman, maybe a couple more. One could argue anything outside that is "meaningless" soccer. I mean really think about that. Just because your kid plays for VDA does not mean your kid is one of the top 10 in VA, MD, DE, and WV. If your child is on the USYNT, than sure, but what, we have 4 or four of them at most, and not all at the same camps. Your DD is not Trinity Rodman, Rose Lavelle, Sophia Smith, etc. On top of that the players I just mentioned are from different age groups.

Look, to be clear, I get P4. Have no gripes with P4. Most P4s have high Academic standards. Getting the percs that come along with it. I get it. But your standard Towson, UMBC, Duquesne, and many many mid-majors that are not well known for Academics, that is what I am talking about vs. the DIII Johns Hopkins type schools vs the previously mentioned D1 schools.

Accomplishment in my POV- Duke, Stanford, FSU, and almost all P4s...however, some players are going to learn the hard way that they did not belong on this level and end up transferring to mediocre mid majors. Their parents were P4 or bust, ignoring what really mattered. These are usually players that don't start on good ECNL teams and are recruited for just being on that good ECNL team, surrounded by players that make them look better than what they are. Meanwhile, schools like VT recruit them, put them through hell where they end up quitting all together or transferring. Now, on the brightside, it is an accomplishment as they got into to VT for soccer and benefit from the VT Academics moving forward.

No legs to stand on, putting DIII players and families down - Any D1s accepting more than 50% of its applicants including Big East Schools like St. John's and Seton Hall. Your kid is not special. Schools like these are not even in the same discussion as Johns Hopkins. The top players at WashU or Emory could just as easily play in the Big East if they wanted to. I've seen so many coach interviews saying exactly that over the years. Top DIIIs can compete with mid majors day in and day out. If you are a parent trying to justify a mid major D1 experience over top of an Ivy level education, your priorities are wrong. if your kid doesn't have perfect grades or maybe not as intelligent as others, than going to a Towson or Seton Hall might make sense. Also, if your college tuition is mostly paid for, 100% nothing wrong about going to one of those mid major schools. In the end however, a player going to a Johns Hopkins and playing soccer is going to have a MAJOR advantage over a player coming out of Appalachian State or Butler University. Don't hate the player, hate the complete well rounded athletic and academic game.

Your crapping on the big east? That’s not even good enough for you? Who can afford Johns Hopkins?

You’re a loser. Your nanny and your landscaper told me. Your wife is probably sleeping with both of them.

At least the Hopkins kid knows the difference between your and you're. But I admire that you threw both of them in there just to cover your bases.

Poster makes a pretty good post and this mouth breather can only come up with "Der, your (note the correct usage, the more you know) wife probably sleeps around".

I was multitasking and voice texted so I didn’t read it. I’m so sorry for that.

Pretty good post? It’s an idiotic post. Typical though. Somebody doesn’t have the means to pay for Johns Hopkins and doesn’t make a low enough income to qualify for aid so you trash them. Have to love that.

The top division threes are not as good as the division ones. Believe me, you can’t just talk it into existence. It’s a different level of athleticism required.

Why are you compensating so hard?

Voice text my ass. Siri knows the difference in usage based on context. 🤡

But to address your point. EVERYONE can afford any school in the nation. Literally. If you had to pay for Hopkins through loans and got a free ride to VCU your lifetime ROI is STILL better at Hopkins.

And I dont have to guess, like you are, I have been in the youth soccer game for a very long time. Wash U and UofC would beat half the d1 schools out there. They literally play friendlies against D1 schools all the time. Could WashU beat Duke? Of course not. But there are 300+ D1 schools. Many of them absolutely suck.

As for the quality of D3, I picked UofC randomly and just started going down the roster from top to bottom:

MVA-ECNL
Pride-ECNL (2nd team AC)
World Class-ECNL
Not disclosed
PDA-ECNL
MVA-ECNL
PDA-ECNL
Not disclosed but said 3X ECNL conference champion
MVA
Not disclosed
Rush USYS
UWSL as highschooler

I am not going to go through the entire roster but anyone that thinks high level D3 stinks you are just wrong, on many levels.

Just Google D1 women's soccer programs. I wont name names but you can see a ton of these schools are unimpressive as hell

Nobody said high-level D3 stinks. Taking it too far. Stop trying to compare them to high division one programs. They’re not. Because if those players could play at high-level division, one programs, they would!