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Anonymous wrote:I had to call around and get my own health insurance when I went to college. So I did and chose an Aetna plan. Bfd.

Who paid your $600 premium? Or did you get Obama Care?

Back then my plan was $100/month for myself, and all that happened was I paid $10 copay for BC pills. I needed a finger cut looked at one morning but I sutured it up with a bandaid myself just fine.

This was 2007-2009, pre-ObamaCare and Pre- Make Your Parents pay for it until age 26. That would have made my BC pills free.

And what did this plan actually cover if you had a catastrophic illness? I had insurance like that too, but still would have meant I was SOL if I had a major event. It was also easy to get because I was in my 20s and had no preexisting conditions. Someone who has Type 1 diabetes? They are just screwed? Someone who has a stroke related to BC (I've taken care of a few patients with BC related strokes when I was a stroke RN)? What would we do with them?

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Anonymous wrote:I had to call around and get my own health insurance when I went to college. So I did and chose an Aetna plan. Bfd.

Who paid your $600 premium? Or did you get Obama Care?

Back then my plan was $100/month for myself, and all that happened was I paid $10 copay for BC pills. I needed a finger cut looked at one morning but I sutured it up with a bandaid myself just fine.

This was 2007-2009, pre-ObamaCare and Pre- Make Your Parents pay for it until age 26. That would have made my BC pills free.

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Anonymous wrote:Definitely not a right.

After the COVID disaster the system and expertise is shown to be crappy anyway

I'll take your spot then MAHA. have a safe trip home.

The unvaccinated un- hospitalized Amish outlive the pharma-mRNA zombies

Because they do physical labor all day long and grow all of their own food.

The amount of meat and butter they consume is off the chain.

I’m not convinced meat and butter are that bad for the health. Commonly eaten 50 years ago when there was less disease? I think most of the heart issues seen back then were due to smoking not necessarily saturated fat.

I think seed oils and sugar are worse than meat and butter

There was not necessarily less disease but less diagnosis. You think medical assessment and diagnostics were the same 50 years ago? Don't confuse increased diagnosis with increased disease. The assessment here is complicated. Also, if you died earlier in your 50s or 60s, then sure you wouldn't count in the chronic disease metric.

Meat and butter are far better for you than artificial, chemically-infused food. Obesity didn’t explode the last few decades because of lifestyle.

Your belief in this is why my Cardiologist wife and I were able to upgrade and renovate our beach home this past winter. I bet you also slather everything in coconut oil, don't you? Keep it up. I have my eye on a property in Nice, France to live out my French Rivera summer dreams.

Keep posting BS on DCUM too, it suits you and your cardiologist wife family well!

Anonymous wrote:Ask like every other developed country when it became a right. Even third world countries have right to healthcare.

In civilized countries, yes. But in the failing United States of America, we can’t provide healthcare or education and yet have billions to burn our tax money, doing things like this.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-07-07/immigration-agents-descend-on-macarthur-park

It seems to me that a government would want to provide the basic building blocks for its populace to be productive and successful.

Those basic building blocks would include:

1. security
2. an education
3. some level of basic health care so that people can use the education that was provided.

People can argue about what should be included in "basic" healthcare -- but I believe it IS the role of the government to provide these things b/c the entire country benefits when people know how to read, do math, understand history, and can maintain health so that they can hold jobs and be self-sufficient. We all benefit from that.

Ask like every other developed country when it became a right. Even third world countries have right to healthcare.

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Anonymous wrote:Since healthcare must be performed by others and has to be paid for, how is it a right? If it is a right, what does that look like? Free neighborhood clinics or cancer treatment at MD Anderson?

It's not a right. My thinking is this:

You are put on this earth for a limited time.
Part of your time is spent working and paying the bills.
Part of your time is spent paying taxes. Taxes should be for the legitimate functions of government, no more and no less.
Health insurance is not in the charter of the government as the framers (founders) saw it.
So the government is confiscating part of your time on earth to pay for health care of complete strangers (theft). That is not a legitimate function of government.

Any payment by the citizenry should be completely voluntary. You don't pay, you don't receive health care. End all tax payer subsidies to it.

So disband Medicare? What are you going to do for healthcare when you retire then? Clearly, all elderly retired people have zero right to healthcare unless they can pay exorbitant premiums and/or out-of-pocket.

It’s very shameful that we gutted unions and pensions in the same manner and now Medicaid and soon Medicare will get gutted. They want the elderly to work till they die to make up for the low employment among teens.

Side note: why don’t more teens work? I’m curious. My kids are the only ones I know with summer jobs. None of their friends have ever had summer work.

Because so many adults need work they now take the jobs that used to be considered “teen work”.

I come from one the poorest country in Africa with a GDP per capital far below $1000.

I think the US is wealthy enough to provide descent healthcare to its people. However, it seems to me that some of the politicians are playing with their people's minds by telling them hey looked at the starving kids in Africa with flies all over their head, be Thankful Jonny and Nancy your life is so much better here. In reality Jonny and Nancy while they don't have flies all over their head, they are sick, eat food with less good quality factory, underemployed, under/un-housed, in debt, no retirement, etc. I guess if you point to other people thousands and thousands and miles away from you, you can trick your people that way and keep screwing them in the process to enrich yourself at your expense.

Anonymous wrote:I had to call around and get my own health insurance when I went to college. So I did and chose an Aetna plan. Bfd.

Who paid your $600 premium? Or did you get Obama Care?

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Anonymous wrote:Definitely not a right.

After the COVID disaster the system and expertise is shown to be crappy anyway

I'll take your spot then MAHA. have a safe trip home.

The unvaccinated un- hospitalized Amish outlive the pharma-mRNA zombies

Because they do physical labor all day long and grow all of their own food.

The amount of meat and butter they consume is off the chain.

I’m not convinced meat and butter are that bad for the health. Commonly eaten 50 years ago when there was less disease? I think most of the heart issues seen back then were due to smoking not necessarily saturated fat.

I think seed oils and sugar are worse than meat and butter

There was not necessarily less disease but less diagnosis. You think medical assessment and diagnostics were the same 50 years ago? Don't confuse increased diagnosis with increased disease. The assessment here is complicated. Also, if you died earlier in your 50s or 60s, then sure you wouldn't count in the chronic disease metric.

Meat and butter are far better for you than artificial, chemically-infused food. Obesity didn’t explode the last few decades because of lifestyle.

Your belief in this is why my Cardiologist wife and I were able to upgrade and renovate our beach home this past winter. I bet you also slather everything in coconut oil, don't you? Keep it up. I have my eye on a property in Nice, France to live out my French Rivera summer dreams.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely not a right.

After the COVID disaster the system and expertise is shown to be crappy anyway

I'll take your spot then MAHA. have a safe trip home.

The unvaccinated un- hospitalized Amish outlive the pharma-mRNA zombies

Because they do physical labor all day long and grow all of their own food.

The amount of meat and butter they consume is off the chain.

I’m not convinced meat and butter are that bad for the health. Commonly eaten 50 years ago when there was less disease? I think most of the heart issues seen back then were due to smoking not necessarily saturated fat.

I think seed oils and sugar are worse than meat and butter

There was not necessarily less disease but less diagnosis. You think medical assessment and diagnostics were the same 50 years ago? Don't confuse increased diagnosis with increased disease. The assessment here is complicated. Also, if you died earlier in your 50s or 60s, then sure you wouldn't count in the chronic disease metric.

Meat and butter are far better for you than artificial, chemically-infused food. Obesity didn’t explode the last few decades because of lifestyle.

Lean meat and oil higher in unsaturated fat are better than red meat and butter. The research holds on this. Actually vegetarian diets have even better health outcomes.

DP. Chicken causes, more or less, the same cholesterol levels as red meat. I’m not sure what research you’re referencing. Only a vegan diet provides less cholesterol, as you said.