Anonymous
04/14/2025 18:57
Subject: Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home
No, cutie, he isn't.
DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.
I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.
I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.
Stop parroting bullshit.
It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.
Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any
He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.
He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.
The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.
Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.
As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?
Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.
https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/
Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".
Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not
because he was sent away illegally without due process, so it is incumbent upon the administration to get him back and either release him, or given the the due process he is afforded under the Constitution. Anything short of that voids the Constitution as a guiding principle for our republic.[b]
I agree on all of those points, and always have. My point was (and still is) he is currently in his home country, we do not have the authority to bring him back here. His country can send him if they want, and they are refusing. His country can release him, and they haven't, so at this point, what is the plan?
Do we have the authority to grab a citizen of a country FROM that country (especially if they are not charged with a crime)?
Does Italy have the authority to come to the USA and take Amanda Knox back to Italy? How is this different?
He should not have been deported, but now that he has been, he is under the jurisdiction of El Salvador.
El Salvador is not refusing to send him back. President Trump is refusing to ask them to send him back.
El Salvador’s President confirmed today that he will not return this illegal immigrant gang member. No court can force a foreign government to return their national who was illegally present in this country.
Wow, you got all of the lies and talking points in there in a single post. Are you going to get a treat and a belly rub like a good boy?
At least you admit that Donald is too weak for other leaders to respect his wishes.
The president could actually follow the Supreme Court and tell Bukele to bring him back if he wanted to do so. The DOJ and President were literally in the room with him, the only obstacle to bringing him back is the president and DOJ itself.
The obstacle is Stephen Miller. He is the one who doesn't want to bring him back and is preventing him from being brought back.
Anonymous
04/14/2025 18:39
Subject: Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home
No, cutie, he isn't.
DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.
I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.
I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.
Stop parroting bullshit.
It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.
Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any
He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.
He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.
The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.
Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.
As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?
Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.
https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/
Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".
Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not
because he was sent away illegally without due process, so it is incumbent upon the administration to get him back and either release him, or given the the due process he is afforded under the Constitution. Anything short of that voids the Constitution as a guiding principle for our republic.[b]
I agree on all of those points, and always have. My point was (and still is) he is currently in his home country, we do not have the authority to bring him back here. His country can send him if they want, and they are refusing. His country can release him, and they haven't, so at this point, what is the plan?
Do we have the authority to grab a citizen of a country FROM that country (especially if they are not charged with a crime)?
Does Italy have the authority to come to the USA and take Amanda Knox back to Italy? How is this different?
He should not have been deported, but now that he has been, he is under the jurisdiction of El Salvador.
El Salvador is not refusing to send him back. President Trump is refusing to ask them to send him back.
El Salvador’s President confirmed today that he will not return this illegal immigrant gang member. No court can force a foreign government to return their national who was illegally present in this country.
Wow, you got all of the lies and talking points in there in a single post. Are you going to get a treat and a belly rub like a good boy?
At least you admit that Donald is too weak for other leaders to respect his wishes.
The president could actually follow the Supreme Court and tell Bukele to bring him back if he wanted to do so. The DOJ and President were literally in the room with him, the only obstacle to bringing him back is the president and DOJ itself.
Anonymous
04/14/2025 18:35
Subject: Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home
No, cutie, he isn't.
DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.
I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.
I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.
Stop parroting bullshit.
It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.
Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any
He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.
He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.
The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.
Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.
As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?
Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.
https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/
Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".
Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not
because he was sent away illegally without due process, so it is incumbent upon the administration to get him back and either release him, or given the the due process he is afforded under the Constitution. Anything short of that voids the Constitution as a guiding principle for our republic.[b]
I agree on all of those points, and always have. My point was (and still is) he is currently in his home country, we do not have the authority to bring him back here. His country can send him if they want, and they are refusing. His country can release him, and they haven't, so at this point, what is the plan?
Do we have the authority to grab a citizen of a country FROM that country (especially if they are not charged with a crime)?
Does Italy have the authority to come to the USA and take Amanda Knox back to Italy? How is this different?
He should not have been deported, but now that he has been, he is under the jurisdiction of El Salvador.
El Salvador is not refusing to send him back. President Trump is refusing to ask them to send him back.
El Salvador’s President confirmed today that he will not return this illegal immigrant gang member. No court can force a foreign government to return their national who was illegally present in this country.
Wow, you got all of the lies and talking points in there in a single post. Are you going to get a treat and a belly rub like a good boy?
At least you admit that Donald is too weak for other leaders to respect his wishes.
Anonymous
04/14/2025 18:32
Subject: Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home
No, cutie, he isn't.
DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.
I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.
I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.
Stop parroting bullshit.
It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.
Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any
He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.
He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.
The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.
Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.
As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?
Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.
https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/
Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".
Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not
because he was sent away illegally without due process, so it is incumbent upon the administration to get him back and either release him, or given the the due process he is afforded under the Constitution. Anything short of that voids the Constitution as a guiding principle for our republic.[b]
I agree on all of those points, and always have. My point was (and still is) he is currently in his home country, we do not have the authority to bring him back here. His country can send him if they want, and they are refusing. His country can release him, and they haven't, so at this point, what is the plan?
Do we have the authority to grab a citizen of a country FROM that country (especially if they are not charged with a crime)?
Does Italy have the authority to come to the USA and take Amanda Knox back to Italy? How is this different?
He should not have been deported, but now that he has been, he is under the jurisdiction of El Salvador.
El Salvador is not refusing to send him back. President Trump is refusing to ask them to send him back.
El Salvador’s President confirmed today that he will not return this illegal immigrant gang member. No court can force a foreign government to return their national who was illegally present in this country.
He wasn’t here illegally.
2011 (Age 16): Illegally entered the U.S. from El Salvador. Did not apply for asylum upon arrival, despite being of legal age and allegedly fleeing gang threats.
2011–2019 (Ages 16–23): Lived in Maryland without legal status. Never filed for asylum during this entire period.
March 2019 (Age 23): Arrested in Maryland. Only then did he claim fear of gang persecution, citing threats to his family’s store—a claim not previously mentioned and for which there is no confirmation he was involved in the business at all.
2019: Asylum application denied due to being filed too late. Granted "withholding of removal," which is temporary protection—not legal status or a path to citizenship.
June 2019: Married a U.S. citizen shortly after legal options narrowed—raising concerns about the motive and timing.
March 2022: El Salvador began a nationwide gang crackdown under President Nayib Bukele. Over 85,000 suspected gang members arrested.
2024: El Salvador’s homicide rate dropped to 1.9 per 100,000, making it one of the safest countries in the region. The gang threat cited in his claim is no longer considered a valid basis for asylum.
January 20, 2025: President Trump signed Executive Order 14155 to suspend the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP), effective January 27, 2025—halting refugee admissions and pausing pending cases.
March 12, 2025 (Age 29): Detained by ICE during a traffic stop and told his immigration status had changed.
March 15, 2025: Deported to El Salvador and imprisoned in the CECOT high-security facility.
April 10, 2025: U.S. Supreme Court ruled the deportation was illegal and ordered the administration to "facilitate" his return.
April 14, 2025: El Salvador’s President Nayib Bukele refused to return him, calling him a "terrorist" and asserting that his legal status is now up to El Salvador's laws.
He was old enough to claim asylum in 2011 but waited until after getting caught in 2019.
His persecution claim was based on an unverifiable threat to a business he may not have even been part of.
El Salvador is now safer, and the gang violence cited in his claim has been dismantled.
Anonymous
04/14/2025 18:32
Subject: Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home
No, cutie, he isn't.
DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.
I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.
I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.
Stop parroting bullshit.
It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.
Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any
He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.
He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.
The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.
Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.
As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?
The Supreme Court said 9-0 to get him back here and give him due process.
9-0
If the Supreme Court of El Salvador ruled 9-0 to send a US Citizen to El Salvador, what power does that hold?
Who the eff cares? That is totally irrelevant to this situation.
It's the same exact thing. The Supreme Court of the US ruled 9-0 to send a El Salvador Citizen to the US. The only thing switched was the countries. They have 0 say.
You're totally mixed up. The US Supreme Court is not telling El Salvador to send the man here. The US Supreme Court is telling the US government to fix their mistake and get the man back here, however they deem best (or mid or worst, whichever). The US government made a mistake, now they can fix it. Just like they fix it all the other times they mistakenly remove people. The main reason this time is different is because Stephen Miller doesn't want to. That's it, that's the only difference.
OK, what is your solution to get him back here? The President of his home country said he will not send him back. What do you suggest we do now?
My solution is for the United States to get him back here. The President of the country where he is said he would not spontaneously send him here, rightly so. So let's request that he do so or put him on a plane belonging to us.
Done.
That was requested, he said no. What do you suggest we do now?
It was never requested by our government. A reporter is not our government and a question from a reporter is not an official request.
The President of El Salvador is on video saying he will not return him with our government in the room. It is pretty clear he will not return him.
What is the next move? Ask again?
Blah blah blah.
If you sit on your hands long enough, they go to sleep.
so you have no solution. Why not? Should be easy right?
Just thought of a solution. Instead of a reporter, Trump asks Bukele to release him .
If Bukele says I don't think so , which makes no sense, Trump uses some of his art to make a deal! Boom.
Anonymous
04/14/2025 18:29
Subject: Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant
Bukele isn't a very bright guy. Rather than being at all diplomatic, he has insured that his country (if he is still in power) will not be looked at favorably by subsequent administrations. Both Democratic and Republican (once they can get rid of the MAGA virus and other brain worms infecting the party).
Anonymous
04/14/2025 18:28
Subject: Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home
No, cutie, he isn't.
DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.
I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.
I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.
Stop parroting bullshit.
It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.
Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any
He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.
He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.
The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.
Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.
As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?
The Supreme Court said 9-0 to get him back here and give him due process.
9-0
If the Supreme Court of El Salvador ruled 9-0 to send a US Citizen to El Salvador, what power does that hold?
Who the eff cares? That is totally irrelevant to this situation.
It's the same exact thing. The Supreme Court of the US ruled 9-0 to send a El Salvador Citizen to the US. The only thing switched was the countries. They have 0 say.
You're totally mixed up. The US Supreme Court is not telling El Salvador to send the man here. The US Supreme Court is telling the US government to fix their mistake and get the man back here, however they deem best (or mid or worst, whichever). The US government made a mistake, now they can fix it. Just like they fix it all the other times they mistakenly remove people. The main reason this time is different is because Stephen Miller doesn't want to. That's it, that's the only difference.
OK, what is your solution to get him back here? The President of his home country said he will not send him back. What do you suggest we do now?
My solution is for the United States to get him back here. The President of the country where he is said he would not spontaneously send him here, rightly so. So let's request that he do so or put him on a plane belonging to us.
Done.
That was requested, he said no. What do you suggest we do now?
No it wasn’t. In fact, his statement was some bizarre hypothetical about smuggling him into the US.
“How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States? Of course I’m not going to do it. The question is preposterous.”
Anonymous
04/14/2025 18:26
Subject: Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home
No, cutie, he isn't.
DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.
I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.
I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.
Stop parroting bullshit.
It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.
Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any
He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.
He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.
The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.
Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.
As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?
The Supreme Court said 9-0 to get him back here and give him due process.
9-0
If the Supreme Court of El Salvador ruled 9-0 to send a US Citizen to El Salvador, what power does that hold?
Who the eff cares? That is totally irrelevant to this situation.
It's the same exact thing. The Supreme Court of the US ruled 9-0 to send a El Salvador Citizen to the US. The only thing switched was the countries. They have 0 say.
You're totally mixed up. The US Supreme Court is not telling El Salvador to send the man here. The US Supreme Court is telling the US government to fix their mistake and get the man back here, however they deem best (or mid or worst, whichever). The US government made a mistake, now they can fix it. Just like they fix it all the other times they mistakenly remove people. The main reason this time is different is because Stephen Miller doesn't want to. That's it, that's the only difference.
OK, what is your solution to get him back here? The President of his home country said he will not send him back. What do you suggest we do now?
My solution is for the United States to get him back here. The President of the country where he is said he would not spontaneously send him here, rightly so. So let's request that he do so or put him on a plane belonging to us.
Done.
That was requested, he said no. What do you suggest we do now?
It was never requested by our government. A reporter is not our government and a question from a reporter is not an official request.
The President of El Salvador is on video saying he will not return him with our government in the room. It is pretty clear he will not return him.
What is the next move? Ask again?
Blah blah blah.
If you sit on your hands long enough, they go to sleep.
so you have no solution. Why not? Should be easy right?
Yes, there's a very easy solution. But not if you refuse to do it.
I guess you can go back to the Supreme Court and ask if they really meant it. See how that goes.
Anonymous
04/14/2025 18:25
Subject: Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home
No, cutie, he isn't.
DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.
I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.
I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.
Stop parroting bullshit.
It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.
Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any
He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.
He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.
The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.
Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.
As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?
The Supreme Court said 9-0 to get him back here and give him due process.
9-0
If the Supreme Court of El Salvador ruled 9-0 to send a US Citizen to El Salvador, what power does that hold?
Who the eff cares? That is totally irrelevant to this situation.
It's the same exact thing. The Supreme Court of the US ruled 9-0 to send a El Salvador Citizen to the US. The only thing switched was the countries. They have 0 say.
You're totally mixed up. The US Supreme Court is not telling El Salvador to send the man here. The US Supreme Court is telling the US government to fix their mistake and get the man back here, however they deem best (or mid or worst, whichever). The US government made a mistake, now they can fix it. Just like they fix it all the other times they mistakenly remove people. The main reason this time is different is because Stephen Miller doesn't want to. That's it, that's the only difference.
OK, what is your solution to get him back here? The President of his home country said he will not send him back. What do you suggest we do now?
My solution is for the United States to get him back here. The President of the country where he is said he would not spontaneously send him here, rightly so. So let's request that he do so or put him on a plane belonging to us.
Done.
That was requested, he said no. What do you suggest we do now?
It was never requested by our government. A reporter is not our government and a question from a reporter is not an official request.
The President of El Salvador is on video saying he will not return him with our government in the room. It is pretty clear he will not return him.
What is the next move? Ask again?
Blah blah blah.
If you sit on your hands long enough, they go to sleep.
so you have no solution. Why not? Should be easy right?
Anonymous
04/14/2025 18:24
Subject: Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home
No, cutie, he isn't.
DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.
I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.
I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.
Stop parroting bullshit.
It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.
Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any
He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.
He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.
The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.
Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.
As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?
The Supreme Court said 9-0 to get him back here and give him due process.
9-0
If the Supreme Court of El Salvador ruled 9-0 to send a US Citizen to El Salvador, what power does that hold?
Who the eff cares? That is totally irrelevant to this situation.
It's the same exact thing. The Supreme Court of the US ruled 9-0 to send a El Salvador Citizen to the US. The only thing switched was the countries. They have 0 say.
You're totally mixed up. The US Supreme Court is not telling El Salvador to send the man here. The US Supreme Court is telling the US government to fix their mistake and get the man back here, however they deem best (or mid or worst, whichever). The US government made a mistake, now they can fix it. Just like they fix it all the other times they mistakenly remove people. The main reason this time is different is because Stephen Miller doesn't want to. That's it, that's the only difference.
OK, what is your solution to get him back here? The President of his home country said he will not send him back. What do you suggest we do now?
My solution is for the United States to get him back here. The President of the country where he is said he would not spontaneously send him here, rightly so. So let's request that he do so or put him on a plane belonging to us.
Done.
That was requested, he said no. What do you suggest we do now?
It was never requested by our government. A reporter is not our government and a question from a reporter is not an official request.
The President of El Salvador is on video saying he will not return him with our government in the room. It is pretty clear he will not return him.
What is the next move? Ask again?
Stop paying his country to house the prisoners.
Anonymous
04/14/2025 18:22
Subject: Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home
No, cutie, he isn't.
DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.
I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.
I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.
Stop parroting bullshit.
It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.
Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any
He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.
He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.
The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.
Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.
As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?
Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.
https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/
Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".
Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not
because he was sent away illegally without due process, so it is incumbent upon the administration to get him back and either release him, or given the the due process he is afforded under the Constitution. Anything short of that voids the Constitution as a guiding principle for our republic.[b]
I agree on all of those points, and always have. My point was (and still is) he is currently in his home country, we do not have the authority to bring him back here. His country can send him if they want, and they are refusing. His country can release him, and they haven't, so at this point, what is the plan?
Do we have the authority to grab a citizen of a country FROM that country (especially if they are not charged with a crime)?
Does Italy have the authority to come to the USA and take Amanda Knox back to Italy? How is this different?
He should not have been deported, but now that he has been, he is under the jurisdiction of El Salvador.
El Salvador is not refusing to send him back. President Trump is refusing to ask them to send him back.
El Salvador’s President confirmed today that he will not return this illegal immigrant gang member. No court can force a foreign government to return their national who was illegally present in this country.
He didn't confirm anything. He seemed surprised to be asked, like maybe it was the first time anyone mentioned the idea to him. What he said was that he wouldn't smuggle a person in. Since we are sending a plane, no need for him to smuggle anyone. Done!
Anonymous
04/14/2025 18:22
Subject: Re:Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant
He's an appointee (unconfirmed), used to work for Ken Paxton. Which should tell you everything you need to know about him.
Anonymous
04/14/2025 18:21
Subject: Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home
No, cutie, he isn't.
DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.
I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.
I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.
Stop parroting bullshit.
It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.
Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any
He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.
He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.
The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.
Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.
As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?
The Supreme Court said 9-0 to get him back here and give him due process.
9-0
If the Supreme Court of El Salvador ruled 9-0 to send a US Citizen to El Salvador, what power does that hold?
Who the eff cares? That is totally irrelevant to this situation.
It's the same exact thing. The Supreme Court of the US ruled 9-0 to send a El Salvador Citizen to the US. The only thing switched was the countries. They have 0 say.
You're totally mixed up. The US Supreme Court is not telling El Salvador to send the man here. The US Supreme Court is telling the US government to fix their mistake and get the man back here, however they deem best (or mid or worst, whichever). The US government made a mistake, now they can fix it. Just like they fix it all the other times they mistakenly remove people. The main reason this time is different is because Stephen Miller doesn't want to. That's it, that's the only difference.
OK, what is your solution to get him back here? The President of his home country said he will not send him back. What do you suggest we do now?
My solution is for the United States to get him back here. The President of the country where he is said he would not spontaneously send him here, rightly so. So let's request that he do so or put him on a plane belonging to us.
Done.
That was requested, he said no. What do you suggest we do now?
It was never requested by our government. A reporter is not our government and a question from a reporter is not an official request.
The President of El Salvador is on video saying he will not return him with our government in the room. It is pretty clear he will not return him.
What is the next move? Ask again?
Blah blah blah.
If you sit on your hands long enough, they go to sleep.
Anonymous
04/14/2025 18:21
Subject: Re:Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant
Anonymous
04/14/2025 18:19
Subject: Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home
No, cutie, he isn't.
DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.
I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.
I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.
Stop parroting bullshit.
It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.
Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any
He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.
He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.
The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.
Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.
As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?
The Supreme Court said 9-0 to get him back here and give him due process.
9-0
If the Supreme Court of El Salvador ruled 9-0 to send a US Citizen to El Salvador, what power does that hold?
Who the eff cares? That is totally irrelevant to this situation.
It's the same exact thing. The Supreme Court of the US ruled 9-0 to send a El Salvador Citizen to the US. The only thing switched was the countries. They have 0 say.
You're totally mixed up. The US Supreme Court is not telling El Salvador to send the man here. The US Supreme Court is telling the US government to fix their mistake and get the man back here, however they deem best (or mid or worst, whichever). The US government made a mistake, now they can fix it. Just like they fix it all the other times they mistakenly remove people. The main reason this time is different is because Stephen Miller doesn't want to. That's it, that's the only difference.
OK, what is your solution to get him back here? The President of his home country said he will not send him back. What do you suggest we do now?
My solution is for the United States to get him back here. The President of the country where he is said he would not spontaneously send him here, rightly so. So let's request that he do so or put him on a plane belonging to us.
Done.
That was requested, he said no. What do you suggest we do now?
It was never requested by our government. A reporter is not our government and a question from a reporter is not an official request.
The President of El Salvador is on video saying he will not return him with our government in the room. It is pretty clear he will not return him.
What is the next move? Ask again?