Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?
There is not enough compassion and too much judgment by posters on all sides on this forum. Moments of genuine conversation are quickly interrupted by name calling and snark. So, no, the forum hasn't influenced my beliefs at all.
Characterizing the forum as snarky doesn't mean it couldn't influence your beliefs. In fact, it seems somewhat snarky to even say that in this context.
How is it snarky to say that the forum is often snarky and judgmental? I think that if only the atheists or only the religious posters were being judgmental, that might influence me, but I see it from all sides.
DP. Others judgments are snarky, but your judgments are not? "Snarky" is subjective of course. Many theists here see people saying "there is insufficient evidence for your god belief" as snarky.
Right, theists could see statements of fact as snarky if they don't like the statements, and/or are insulted by them, as in "How dare you say that there is insufficient evidence for my god belief" not realizing, or not thinking at the time, that beliefs do not require evidence.
DP
Justified true beliefs require evidence.
I think above is a misrepresentation of religious posters. Most are not up in arms about being asked for evidence of proof of God, which cannot be done. Rather they appear in o object to crude negative generalizations and over simplifications.
No one appreciates being talked to disrespectful ways .
+1
Correct. And I think you would agree that it's not disrespectful to say that there is insufficient evidence for believing in God. Belief in God is a matter of faith.
Yes I agree that the existence of God cannot be proven via scientific methods.
I don’t think that is rude at all but there were earlier posts in this thread and others that (may have been deleted) that denounced all religion as evil, all believers as fools, and the root cause of all problems. Etc.
I am fine with rational arguments as long as they are respectful and non reductive.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?
There is not enough compassion and too much judgment by posters on all sides on this forum. Moments of genuine conversation are quickly interrupted by name calling and snark. So, no, the forum hasn't influenced my beliefs at all.
Characterizing the forum as snarky doesn't mean it couldn't influence your beliefs. In fact, it seems somewhat snarky to even say that in this context.
How is it snarky to say that the forum is often snarky and judgmental? I think that if only the atheists or only the religious posters were being judgmental, that might influence me, but I see it from all sides.
DP. Others judgments are snarky, but your judgments are not? "Snarky" is subjective of course. Many theists here see people saying "there is insufficient evidence for your god belief" as snarky.
Right, theists could see statements of fact as snarky if they don't like the statements, and/or are insulted by them, as in "How dare you say that there is insufficient evidence for my god belief" not realizing, or not thinking at the time, that beliefs do not require evidence.
DP
Justified true beliefs require evidence.
I think above is a misrepresentation of religious posters. Most are not up in arms about being asked for evidence of proof of God, which cannot be done. Rather they appear in o object to crude negative generalizations and over simplifications.
No one appreciates being talked to disrespectful ways .
+1
Correct. And I think you would agree that it's not disrespectful to say that there is insufficient evidence for believing in God. Belief in God is a matter of faith.
Yes I agree that the existence of God cannot be proven via scientific methods.
I don’t think that is rude at all but there were earlier posts in this thread and others that (may have been deleted) that denounced all religion as evil, all believers as fools, and the root cause of all problems. Etc.
I am fine with rational arguments as long as they are respectful and non reductive.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why is sky daddy offensive when people literally call god "father"? Lol make up your minds!
"Our father who art in heaven". People say it all the time without being offended. But "Our daddy who art in the sky" sounds odd, even though the words father/daddy and heaven/sky are used interchangeably all the time.
Sounds odd =/= offensive
I say “my mother and father in heaven” and refer to God as you or they and sometimes even she - not him
I love hearing people refer to god as a she/her.
How about "my Mommy and Daddy in the sky" for kids?
My kids would tell you that God is everywhere, not just in the sky.
Anonymous wrote:Why is sky daddy offensive when people literally call god "father"? Lol make up your minds!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why is sky daddy offensive when people literally call god "father"? Lol make up your minds!
"Our father who art in heaven". People say it all the time without being offended. But "Our daddy who art in the sky" sounds odd, even though the words father/daddy and heaven/sky are used interchangeably all the time.
Sounds odd =/= offensive
I say “my mother and father in heaven” and refer to God as you or they and sometimes even she - not him
I love hearing people refer to god as a she/her.
How about "my Mommy and Daddy in the sky" for kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why is sky daddy offensive when people literally call god "father"? Lol make up your minds!
"Our father who art in heaven". People say it all the time without being offended. But "Our daddy who art in the sky" sounds odd, even though the words father/daddy and heaven/sky are used interchangeably all the time.
Sounds odd =/= offensive
I say “my mother and father in heaven” and refer to God as you or they and sometimes even she - not him
I love hearing people refer to god as a she/her.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why is sky daddy offensive when people literally call god "father"? Lol make up your minds!
"Our father who art in heaven". People say it all the time without being offended. But "Our daddy who art in the sky" sounds odd, even though the words father/daddy and heaven/sky are used interchangeably all the time.
Sounds odd =/= offensive
I say “my mother and father in heaven” and refer to God as you or they and sometimes even she - not him
I love hearing people refer to god as a she/her.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think this only happens through lived experiences, not on forums. Except for those who get radicalized.
ITA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?
There is not enough compassion and too much judgment by posters on all sides on this forum. Moments of genuine conversation are quickly interrupted by name calling and snark. So, no, the forum hasn't influenced my beliefs at all.
Characterizing the forum as snarky doesn't mean it couldn't influence your beliefs. In fact, it seems somewhat snarky to even say that in this context.
How is it snarky to say that the forum is often snarky and judgmental? I think that if only the atheists or only the religious posters were being judgmental, that might influence me, but I see it from all sides.
DP. Others judgments are snarky, but your judgments are not? "Snarky" is subjective of course. Many theists here see people saying "there is insufficient evidence for your god belief" as snarky.
Right, theists could see statements of fact as snarky if they don't like the statements, and/or are insulted by them, as in "How dare you say that there is insufficient evidence for my god belief" not realizing, or not thinking at the time, that beliefs do not require evidence.
DP
Justified true beliefs require evidence.
I think above is a misrepresentation of religious posters. Most are not up in arms about being asked for evidence of proof of God, which cannot be done. Rather they appear in o object to crude negative generalizations and over simplifications.
No one appreciates being talked to disrespectful ways .
+1
Correct. And I think you would agree that it's not disrespectful to say that there is insufficient evidence for believing in God. Belief in God is a matter of faith.
Yes I agree that the existence of God cannot be proven via scientific methods.
I don’t think that is rude at all but there were earlier posts in this thread and others that (may have been deleted) that denounced all religion as evil, all believers as fools, and the root cause of all problems. Etc.
I am fine with rational arguments as long as they are respectful and non reductive.
And the respect goes both ways, right? Keep in mind that an atheist would say that there is not a rational argument for religion. Even religious people will say that religion is a matter of faith.
Yes respect always goes both ways and requires humility on both sides since the existence of God cannot be proven or disproven through scientific method.
Nor can the existence of leprechauns. Yet none of us are going to believe those exist until we see evidence, right?
Do you find that snarky?
More like Facetious …
See that’s the point. It’s not it’s a totally legitimate comparison and they’re in lies the difficulty.
Why not?
You read the bolded part wrong I think, and I definitely could have worded it better so mu bad.
So what did you really mean to say?
It’s not [Facetious] it’s a totally legitimate comparison [between mythical beings there is little evidence of existence like leprechauns and gods]
What?? and who are you? -- you don't sound like the religious pp who was asked: "So what did you really mean to say?"
Because I am not the religious PP and said the opposite, but left out the parenthetical parts and shouldn't have because the conversation gets truncated in this forum. But I am the one you asked. Note the second "it's" in my original which said "it’s a totally legitimate comparison". Problem is I voice dictated this to my phone so that being said in conversation would be more sensible than it looks written. A comma would have helped immensely.
Anonymous wrote:I think this only happens through lived experiences, not on forums. Except for those who get radicalized.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?
There is not enough compassion and too much judgment by posters on all sides on this forum. Moments of genuine conversation are quickly interrupted by name calling and snark. So, no, the forum hasn't influenced my beliefs at all.
Characterizing the forum as snarky doesn't mean it couldn't influence your beliefs. In fact, it seems somewhat snarky to even say that in this context.
How is it snarky to say that the forum is often snarky and judgmental? I think that if only the atheists or only the religious posters were being judgmental, that might influence me, but I see it from all sides.
DP. Others judgments are snarky, but your judgments are not? "Snarky" is subjective of course. Many theists here see people saying "there is insufficient evidence for your god belief" as snarky.
Right, theists could see statements of fact as snarky if they don't like the statements, and/or are insulted by them, as in "How dare you say that there is insufficient evidence for my god belief" not realizing, or not thinking at the time, that beliefs do not require evidence.
DP
Justified true beliefs require evidence.
I think above is a misrepresentation of religious posters. Most are not up in arms about being asked for evidence of proof of God, which cannot be done. Rather they appear in o object to crude negative generalizations and over simplifications.
No one appreciates being talked to disrespectful ways .
+1
Correct. And I think you would agree that it's not disrespectful to say that there is insufficient evidence for believing in God. Belief in God is a matter of faith.
Yes I agree that the existence of God cannot be proven via scientific methods.
I don’t think that is rude at all but there were earlier posts in this thread and others that (may have been deleted) that denounced all religion as evil, all believers as fools, and the root cause of all problems. Etc.
I am fine with rational arguments as long as they are respectful and non reductive.
And the respect goes both ways, right? Keep in mind that an atheist would say that there is not a rational argument for religion. Even religious people will say that religion is a matter of faith.
Yes respect always goes both ways and requires humility on both sides since the existence of God cannot be proven or disproven through scientific method.
Nor can the existence of leprechauns. Yet none of us are going to believe those exist until we see evidence, right?
Do you find that snarky?
More like Facetious …
See that’s the point. It’s not it’s a totally legitimate comparison and they’re in lies the difficulty.
Why not?
You read the bolded part wrong I think, and I definitely could have worded it better so mu bad.
So what did you really mean to say?
It’s not [Facetious] it’s a totally legitimate comparison [between mythical beings there is little evidence of existence like leprechauns and gods]
What?? and who are you? -- you don't sound like the religious pp who was asked: "So what did you really mean to say?"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?
There is not enough compassion and too much judgment by posters on all sides on this forum. Moments of genuine conversation are quickly interrupted by name calling and snark. So, no, the forum hasn't influenced my beliefs at all.
Characterizing the forum as snarky doesn't mean it couldn't influence your beliefs. In fact, it seems somewhat snarky to even say that in this context.
How is it snarky to say that the forum is often snarky and judgmental? I think that if only the atheists or only the religious posters were being judgmental, that might influence me, but I see it from all sides.
DP. Others judgments are snarky, but your judgments are not? "Snarky" is subjective of course. Many theists here see people saying "there is insufficient evidence for your god belief" as snarky.
Right, theists could see statements of fact as snarky if they don't like the statements, and/or are insulted by them, as in "How dare you say that there is insufficient evidence for my god belief" not realizing, or not thinking at the time, that beliefs do not require evidence.
DP
Justified true beliefs require evidence.
I think above is a misrepresentation of religious posters. Most are not up in arms about being asked for evidence of proof of God, which cannot be done. Rather they appear in o object to crude negative generalizations and over simplifications.
No one appreciates being talked to disrespectful ways .
+1
Correct. And I think you would agree that it's not disrespectful to say that there is insufficient evidence for believing in God. Belief in God is a matter of faith.
Yes I agree that the existence of God cannot be proven via scientific methods.
I don’t think that is rude at all but there were earlier posts in this thread and others that (may have been deleted) that denounced all religion as evil, all believers as fools, and the root cause of all problems. Etc.
I am fine with rational arguments as long as they are respectful and non reductive.
And the respect goes both ways, right? Keep in mind that an atheist would say that there is not a rational argument for religion. Even religious people will say that religion is a matter of faith.
Yes respect always goes both ways and requires humility on both sides since the existence of God cannot be proven or disproven through scientific method.
Nor can the existence of leprechauns. Yet none of us are going to believe those exist until we see evidence, right?
Do you find that snarky?
More like Facetious …
See that’s the point. It’s not it’s a totally legitimate comparison and they’re in lies the difficulty.
Why not?
You read the bolded part wrong I think, and I definitely could have worded it better so mu bad.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?
There is not enough compassion and too much judgment by posters on all sides on this forum. Moments of genuine conversation are quickly interrupted by name calling and snark. So, no, the forum hasn't influenced my beliefs at all.
Characterizing the forum as snarky doesn't mean it couldn't influence your beliefs. In fact, it seems somewhat snarky to even say that in this context.
How is it snarky to say that the forum is often snarky and judgmental? I think that if only the atheists or only the religious posters were being judgmental, that might influence me, but I see it from all sides.
DP. Others judgments are snarky, but your judgments are not? "Snarky" is subjective of course. Many theists here see people saying "there is insufficient evidence for your god belief" as snarky.
Right, theists could see statements of fact as snarky if they don't like the statements, and/or are insulted by them, as in "How dare you say that there is insufficient evidence for my god belief" not realizing, or not thinking at the time, that beliefs do not require evidence.
DP
Justified true beliefs require evidence.
I think above is a misrepresentation of religious posters. Most are not up in arms about being asked for evidence of proof of God, which cannot be done. Rather they appear in o object to crude negative generalizations and over simplifications.
No one appreciates being talked to disrespectful ways .
+1
Correct. And I think you would agree that it's not disrespectful to say that there is insufficient evidence for believing in God. Belief in God is a matter of faith.
Yes I agree that the existence of God cannot be proven via scientific methods.
I don’t think that is rude at all but there were earlier posts in this thread and others that (may have been deleted) that denounced all religion as evil, all believers as fools, and the root cause of all problems. Etc.
I am fine with rational arguments as long as they are respectful and non reductive.
And the respect goes both ways, right? Keep in mind that an atheist would say that there is not a rational argument for religion. Even religious people will say that religion is a matter of faith.
Yes respect always goes both ways and requires humility on both sides since the existence of God cannot be proven or disproven through scientific method.
Nor can the existence of leprechauns. Yet none of us are going to believe those exist until we see evidence, right?
Do you find that snarky?
More like Facetious …
See that’s the point. It’s not it’s a totally legitimate comparison and they’re in lies the difficulty.
Why not?
You read the bolded part wrong I think, and I definitely could have worded it better so mu bad.
So what did you really mean to say?
It’s not [Facetious] it’s a totally legitimate comparison [between mythical beings there is little evidence of existence like leprechauns and gods]
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?
There is not enough compassion and too much judgment by posters on all sides on this forum. Moments of genuine conversation are quickly interrupted by name calling and snark. So, no, the forum hasn't influenced my beliefs at all.
Characterizing the forum as snarky doesn't mean it couldn't influence your beliefs. In fact, it seems somewhat snarky to even say that in this context.
How is it snarky to say that the forum is often snarky and judgmental? I think that if only the atheists or only the religious posters were being judgmental, that might influence me, but I see it from all sides.
DP. Others judgments are snarky, but your judgments are not? "Snarky" is subjective of course. Many theists here see people saying "there is insufficient evidence for your god belief" as snarky.
Right, theists could see statements of fact as snarky if they don't like the statements, and/or are insulted by them, as in "How dare you say that there is insufficient evidence for my god belief" not realizing, or not thinking at the time, that beliefs do not require evidence.
DP
Justified true beliefs require evidence.
I think above is a misrepresentation of religious posters. Most are not up in arms about being asked for evidence of proof of God, which cannot be done. Rather they appear in o object to crude negative generalizations and over simplifications.
No one appreciates being talked to disrespectful ways .
+1
Correct. And I think you would agree that it's not disrespectful to say that there is insufficient evidence for believing in God. Belief in God is a matter of faith.
Yes I agree that the existence of God cannot be proven via scientific methods.
I don’t think that is rude at all but there were earlier posts in this thread and others that (may have been deleted) that denounced all religion as evil, all believers as fools, and the root cause of all problems. Etc.
I am fine with rational arguments as long as they are respectful and non reductive.
And the respect goes both ways, right? Keep in mind that an atheist would say that there is not a rational argument for religion. Even religious people will say that religion is a matter of faith.
Yes respect always goes both ways and requires humility on both sides since the existence of God cannot be proven or disproven through scientific method.
Nor can the existence of leprechauns. Yet none of us are going to believe those exist until we see evidence, right?
Do you find that snarky?
More like Facetious …
See that’s the point. It’s not it’s a totally legitimate comparison and they’re in lies the difficulty.
Why not?
You read the bolded part wrong I think, and I definitely could have worded it better so mu bad.
So what did you really mean to say?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?
There is not enough compassion and too much judgment by posters on all sides on this forum. Moments of genuine conversation are quickly interrupted by name calling and snark. So, no, the forum hasn't influenced my beliefs at all.
Characterizing the forum as snarky doesn't mean it couldn't influence your beliefs. In fact, it seems somewhat snarky to even say that in this context.
How is it snarky to say that the forum is often snarky and judgmental? I think that if only the atheists or only the religious posters were being judgmental, that might influence me, but I see it from all sides.
DP. Others judgments are snarky, but your judgments are not? "Snarky" is subjective of course. Many theists here see people saying "there is insufficient evidence for your god belief" as snarky.
Right, theists could see statements of fact as snarky if they don't like the statements, and/or are insulted by them, as in "How dare you say that there is insufficient evidence for my god belief" not realizing, or not thinking at the time, that beliefs do not require evidence.
DP
Justified true beliefs require evidence.
I think above is a misrepresentation of religious posters. Most are not up in arms about being asked for evidence of proof of God, which cannot be done. Rather they appear in o object to crude negative generalizations and over simplifications.
No one appreciates being talked to disrespectful ways .
+1
Correct. And I think you would agree that it's not disrespectful to say that there is insufficient evidence for believing in God. Belief in God is a matter of faith.
Yes I agree that the existence of God cannot be proven via scientific methods.
I don’t think that is rude at all but there were earlier posts in this thread and others that (may have been deleted) that denounced all religion as evil, all believers as fools, and the root cause of all problems. Etc.
I am fine with rational arguments as long as they are respectful and non reductive.
And the respect goes both ways, right? Keep in mind that an atheist would say that there is not a rational argument for religion. Even religious people will say that religion is a matter of faith.
Yes respect always goes both ways and requires humility on both sides since the existence of God cannot be proven or disproven through scientific method.
Nor can the existence of leprechauns. Yet none of us are going to believe those exist until we see evidence, right?
Do you find that snarky?
More like Facetious …
See that’s the point. It’s not it’s a totally legitimate comparison and they’re in lies the difficulty.
Why not?
You read the bolded part wrong I think, and I definitely could have worded it better so mu bad.