Anonymous
Post 11/21/2024 14:08     Subject: Re:Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:I posted this in another thread, but maybe more appropriate for this. Can anyone explain this phenomenon?

Boys with prestige college degrees who are not working and seemingly pretty empty resumes. I thought most colleges make kids intern before you graduate, which in theory, should set you up with at least one full-time job offer before graduating. I'm seeing a shocking number of boys just loafing around their parents' houses after college graduation.

Is it this economy or are elite colleges simply preparing kids up for good jobs? Quite a few of my friends' kids, mostly boys, are loafing around after graduating from top 10 and top 25 colleges this past spring. Just unemployed living in their parents' houses 5 or 6 months after graduation. I'll see the 22 or 23 year old boys picking up a younger sibling from school and things like that.


Some girls from top schools are unemployed but move in with a boyfriend rather than back home. I know a case where that happened. The guy is about 5 years older and has a very high paying job.
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2024 11:44     Subject: Re:Why aren’t males attending college?
I posted this in another thread, but maybe more appropriate for this. Can anyone explain this phenomenon?

Boys with prestige college degrees who are not working and seemingly pretty empty resumes. I thought most colleges make kids intern before you graduate, which in theory, should set you up with at least one full-time job offer before graduating. I'm seeing a shocking number of boys just loafing around their parents' houses after college graduation.

Is it this economy or are elite colleges simply preparing kids up for good jobs? Quite a few of my friends' kids, mostly boys, are loafing around after graduating from top 10 and top 25 colleges this past spring. Just unemployed living in their parents' houses 5 or 6 months after graduation. I'll see the 22 or 23 year old boys picking up a younger sibling from school and things like that.
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2024 11:19     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is a Harvard professor and mom of two boys who is a neuroscientist, and she wrote extensively about this. Boys develop at a later age than girls. The college admissions process favors things where girls are stronger. That is what you are seeing in admissions results.

I have a son and a girl and see this difference. The current trend is that in areas where girls are weak it is taken as sign of discrimination and there a tons of programs that encourage girls. Same DEI nonsense.

Take math for example, even after so many pink this and girl that programs, girls are not even remotely close to boys in math competitions.

Now, take emotional maturity, planning, and introspection. Girls are about 10 years ahead of boys in these skills. These skills are just as important as math; however, these skills are critical for college admissions and boys have a tough time due to this.

It is ok, given enough time it would just normalize.





Except boys used to be able to manage this before. We have lost boys to online worlds. They can't or won't live in the real world. Parents, wake up and stop blaming the girls. Teach your boys sef-regulation and discipline.


You know the admissions landscape changed quite a bit. Anyway to you it is simple, boys suck. That is all one needs to know about you.



DP. Did you read the article? The schools are bending over backwards to try to get boys.

“But the easiest way for many competitive schools to fix their gender ratios lies in the selection process, at which point admissions officers often informally privilege male applicants, a tendency that critics say amounts to affirmative action for men.”

The problem isn’t necessarily that they can’t get in. It’s that they don’t want to go.
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2024 11:15     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is a Harvard professor and mom of two boys who is a neuroscientist, and she wrote extensively about this. Boys develop at a later age than girls. The college admissions process favors things where girls are stronger. That is what you are seeing in admissions results.

I have a son and a girl and see this difference. The current trend is that in areas where girls are weak it is taken as sign of discrimination and there a tons of programs that encourage girls. Same DEI nonsense.

Take math for example, even after so many pink this and girl that programs, girls are not even remotely close to boys in math competitions.

Now, take emotional maturity, planning, and introspection. Girls are about 10 years ahead of boys in these skills. These skills are just as important as math; however, these skills are critical for college admissions and boys have a tough time due to this.

It is ok, given enough time it would just normalize.





Except boys used to be able to manage this before. We have lost boys to online worlds. They can't or won't live in the real world. Parents, wake up and stop blaming the girls. Teach your boys sef-regulation and discipline.


You know the admissions landscape changed quite a bit. Anyway to you it is simple, boys suck. That is all one needs to know about you.



One more thing...

Enjoy the next four years. It is going to be huge!

Anonymous
Post 11/21/2024 11:13     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is a Harvard professor and mom of two boys who is a neuroscientist, and she wrote extensively about this. Boys develop at a later age than girls. The college admissions process favors things where girls are stronger. That is what you are seeing in admissions results.

I have a son and a girl and see this difference. The current trend is that in areas where girls are weak it is taken as sign of discrimination and there a tons of programs that encourage girls. Same DEI nonsense.

Take math for example, even after so many pink this and girl that programs, girls are not even remotely close to boys in math competitions.

Now, take emotional maturity, planning, and introspection. Girls are about 10 years ahead of boys in these skills. These skills are just as important as math; however, these skills are critical for college admissions and boys have a tough time due to this.

It is ok, given enough time it would just normalize.





Except boys used to be able to manage this before. We have lost boys to online worlds. They can't or won't live in the real world. Parents, wake up and stop blaming the girls. Teach your boys sef-regulation and discipline.


You know the admissions landscape changed quite a bit. Anyway to you it is simple, boys suck. That is all one needs to know about you.

Anonymous
Post 11/21/2024 10:52     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have over fifty first cousins (we are Arabs) and I can tell you that the girls are more successful than the boys. Boys need a lot of support, are more prone to drugs and depression, and they are terrible about asking for help. A lot of parents fail to recognize that.

Correct. But then don't blame the girls for the boys' failures. It's the whining and scapegoating that's so damaging to finding solutions.


Or take it a step further and realize the system in place for generations set up to coddle boys was a waste of resources.


I don’t think you have it right. The public school system I went through in Illinois wasn’t set up to coddle boys, but rather was immersed with competition. No group projects which many times involve make work. I was a poor single mother kid and was stimulated by math games competitions and the like. It really made a difference.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2024 22:27     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:There is a Harvard professor and mom of two boys who is a neuroscientist, and she wrote extensively about this. Boys develop at a later age than girls. The college admissions process favors things where girls are stronger. That is what you are seeing in admissions results.

I have a son and a girl and see this difference. The current trend is that in areas where girls are weak it is taken as sign of discrimination and there a tons of programs that encourage girls. Same DEI nonsense.

Take math for example, even after so many pink this and girl that programs, girls are not even remotely close to boys in math competitions.

Now, take emotional maturity, planning, and introspection. Girls are about 10 years ahead of boys in these skills. These skills are just as important as math; however, these skills are critical for college admissions and boys have a tough time due to this.

It is ok, given enough time it would just normalize.





Boys had been doing just fine in academics until recent decades. I’ll also note that the boys in advanced math classes at my child’s schools are almost uniformly children of immigrants. White boys have become low academic achievers. Slackers.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2024 21:36     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
*increasingly small
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2024 21:34     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Losers


They want to be a stay at home parent like you. Your daughter can support them.


Women created this problem. So much girl focus since “bring your daughters to work”, girls on the run, girls in STEM blah blah. Laura Bush is the only one that tried to invest in young boys with reading initiatives aimed at them. Feminization of the American education system happened. It did nor speak to boys developmental differences and needs early on.


Agree- The pendulum swung too far.


Yes, and that is not in the interest of girls either. So many girls will want to be SAHMs (just look at the attacks the majority of posters on this board, who are SAHMs, level against career women) and this does not bode well for that because they will be competing for an incredibly small subset of successful men.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2024 21:23     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have over fifty first cousins (we are Arabs) and I can tell you that the girls are more successful than the boys. Boys need a lot of support, are more prone to drugs and depression, and they are terrible about asking for help. A lot of parents fail to recognize that.

Correct. But then don't blame the girls for the boys' failures. It's the whining and scapegoating that's so damaging to finding solutions.


Or take it a step further and realize the system in place for generations set up to coddle boys was a waste of resources.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2024 21:23     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Losers


They want to be a stay at home parent like you. Your daughter can support them.


Women created this problem. So much girl focus since “bring your daughters to work”, girls on the run, girls in STEM blah blah. Laura Bush is the only one that tried to invest in young boys with reading initiatives aimed at them. Feminization of the American education system happened. It did nor speak to boys developmental differences and needs early on.


Agree- The pendulum swung too far.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2024 21:04     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:I have over fifty first cousins (we are Arabs) and I can tell you that the girls are more successful than the boys. Boys need a lot of support, are more prone to drugs and depression, and they are terrible about asking for help. A lot of parents fail to recognize that.

Correct. But then don't blame the girls for the boys' failures. It's the whining and scapegoating that's so damaging to finding solutions.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2024 20:59     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
I have over fifty first cousins (we are Arabs) and I can tell you that the girls are more successful than the boys. Boys need a lot of support, are more prone to drugs and depression, and they are terrible about asking for help. A lot of parents fail to recognize that.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2024 20:51     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:There is a Harvard professor and mom of two boys who is a neuroscientist, and she wrote extensively about this. Boys develop at a later age than girls. The college admissions process favors things where girls are stronger. That is what you are seeing in admissions results.

I have a son and a girl and see this difference. The current trend is that in areas where girls are weak it is taken as sign of discrimination and there a tons of programs that encourage girls. Same DEI nonsense.

Take math for example, even after so many pink this and girl that programs, girls are not even remotely close to boys in math competitions.

Now, take emotional maturity, planning, and introspection. Girls are about 10 years ahead of boys in these skills. These skills are just as important as math; however, these skills are critical for college admissions and boys have a tough time due to this.

It is ok, given enough time it would just normalize.





I agree with this. I have a girl and a boy as well. My older is a boy did not study much during 9th grade (despite us being very involved parents) and by the time her realized grades matter it was mid-10th grade and he did ramp up and ended up doing well. He had excellent SAT scores. However college admissions were tough. But now at 20, he seems so different and mature. I really wish I had held him back a year. Meanwhile, my daughter is highly focused and way more mature than my son at the same age.
Anonymous
Post 11/20/2024 20:41     Subject: Why aren’t males attending college?
Anonymous wrote:There is a Harvard professor and mom of two boys who is a neuroscientist, and she wrote extensively about this. Boys develop at a later age than girls. The college admissions process favors things where girls are stronger. That is what you are seeing in admissions results.

I have a son and a girl and see this difference. The current trend is that in areas where girls are weak it is taken as sign of discrimination and there a tons of programs that encourage girls. Same DEI nonsense.

Take math for example, even after so many pink this and girl that programs, girls are not even remotely close to boys in math competitions.

Now, take emotional maturity, planning, and introspection. Girls are about 10 years ahead of boys in these skills. These skills are just as important as math; however, these skills are critical for college admissions and boys have a tough time due to this.

It is ok, given enough time it would just normalize.





Except boys used to be able to manage this before. We have lost boys to online worlds. They can't or won't live in the real world. Parents, wake up and stop blaming the girls. Teach your boys sef-regulation and discipline.