Anonymous wrote:Toxic masculinity is likely the seed behind our current social/ political situation, with our current POTUS being their icon. It is a world wide issue, stemming from fear of women in power, a recent shift in gender and sexualty ideology from what used to be one 2D white male stereotype with rugged individualism. How do kids become radicalized? Social media. Kids ages 8 and up become exposed to ideas, power ideation, sexual images, and all types of rabbit holes leading the same way. In previous generations, boys that young would not have any access to very intense images and social engineering.

Oh. And BTW, watch Adolescence ( Netflix?).

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe that toxic masculinity is a real thing, what are your thoughts on how to address it? Besides raising boys better what can we do? How do you confront it when it presents itself in your life?

Luigi Mangione

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NP.

What does this even mean?

Are young women admiring him in the way women of my mother’s generation viewed men like Che Guevara as some type of “exciting bad-boy” or charismatic rebel?

NP. To me he’s Toxic Masculinity since he thinks he’s single-handedly helping all the dumb people see the light and save them all.

He’s also toxic masculinity bc he had no coping skills after being a laid off digital nomad who instead of getting grounded with IRL in-person friends or family, self radicalized into his current Jesus complex state.

That or he has a brain tumor.

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe that toxic masculinity is a real thing, what are your thoughts on how to address it? Besides raising boys better what can we do? How do you confront it when it presents itself in your life?

It’s a ridiculous myth.

This. Imagine the reverse "Toxic Femininity". That would cause all sorts of reeee.

Toxic femininity exists TOO.

I agree, and I think it's often related to toxic masculinity. For instance: toxic masculinity exists when we treat men like idiots who can't be expected to learn to clean up after themselves, or parent their own kids, or express empathy for someone who is upset. But then toxic femininity is when a woman is like "oh I do all the cleaning because my husband just has no idea, he's a man, I can't expect him to know how dust." Or "it's just easier for me to handle all the stuff with the kids, I have a nurturing gene, my DH just isn't built that way." And so on.

I also think it's toxic femininity when women weaponize their sexuality, or the sexual interest men might have in them, to get what they want. So a woman who has no genuine romantic interest in an old-but-rich man dressing in an overtly sexual way and then using her sexuality to capture his interest and get him to give her money and things, is engaging in toxic femininity. It's dysfunctional and no one would look at a relationship like that and think "yes, that is healthy relationship." You might think they deserve each other (and maybe they do) but it's not healthy or evolved behavior.

But cisgender men really ARE useless!

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe that toxic masculinity is a real thing, what are your thoughts on how to address it? Besides raising boys better what can we do? How do you confront it when it presents itself in your life?

It’s a ridiculous myth.

This. Imagine the reverse "Toxic Femininity". That would cause all sorts of reeee.

Toxic femininity exists TOO.

I agree, and I think it's often related to toxic masculinity. For instance: toxic masculinity exists when we treat men like idiots who can't be expected to learn to clean up after themselves, or parent their own kids, or express empathy for someone who is upset. But then toxic femininity is when a woman is like "oh I do all the cleaning because my husband just has no idea, he's a man, I can't expect him to know how dust." Or "it's just easier for me to handle all the stuff with the kids, I have a nurturing gene, my DH just isn't built that way." And so on.

I also think it's toxic femininity when women weaponize their sexuality, or the sexual interest men might have in them, to get what they want. So a woman who has no genuine romantic interest in an old-but-rich man dressing in an overtly sexual way and then using her sexuality to capture his interest and get him to give her money and things, is engaging in toxic femininity. It's dysfunctional and no one would look at a relationship like that and think "yes, that is healthy relationship." You might think they deserve each other (and maybe they do) but it's not healthy or evolved behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe that toxic masculinity is a real thing, what are your thoughts on how to address it? Besides raising boys better what can we do? How do you confront it when it presents itself in your life?

It’s a ridiculous myth.

This. Imagine the reverse "Toxic Femininity". That would cause all sorts of reeee.

Toxic femininity exists TOO.

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe that toxic masculinity is a real thing, what are your thoughts on how to address it? Besides raising boys better what can we do? How do you confront it when it presents itself in your life?

It’s a ridiculous myth.

This. Imagine the reverse "Toxic Femininity". That would cause all sorts of reeee.

Toxic femininity exists TOO.

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe that toxic masculinity is a real thing, what are your thoughts on how to address it? Besides raising boys better what can we do? How do you confront it when it presents itself in your life?

Luigi Mangione

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NP.

What does this even mean?

Are young women admiring him in the way women of my mother’s generation viewed men like Che Guevara as some type of “exciting bad-boy” or charismatic rebel?

NP. To me he’s Toxic Masculinity since he thinks he’s single-handedly helping all the dumb people see the light and save them all.

He’s also toxic masculinity bc he had no coping skills after being a laid off digital nomad who instead of getting grounded with IRL in-person friends or family, self radicalized into his current Jesus complex state.

That or he has a brain tumor.

to me he is showing his toxic masculinity because he got a gun, which is almost invariably a sign of mental compensation for an inadequately small p*nis.

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe that toxic masculinity is a real thing, what are your thoughts on how to address it? Besides raising boys better what can we do? How do you confront it when it presents itself in your life?

It’s a ridiculous myth.

This. Imagine the reverse "Toxic Femininity". That would cause all sorts of reeee.

Toxic femininity exists TOO.

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe that toxic masculinity is a real thing, what are your thoughts on how to address it? Besides raising boys better what can we do? How do you confront it when it presents itself in your life?

It’s a ridiculous myth.

This. Imagine the reverse "Toxic Femininity". That would cause all sorts of reeee.

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Anonymous wrote:Toxic masculinity is at its worst with evangelicals where women are taught that the man is the boss of the household. Women are taught to be subservient.

This isn’t the way I would choose to live, but it’s not necessarily toxic. It many ways it can be freeing to have an established system of rules and norms in place.

The whole trad-wife / SAHM thing is absolutely caused by toxic masculinity.

Nonsense. Nothing wrong with wanting to care for your children.

There's a difference between being a SAHP and buying into this tradwife stuff. My mom was a SAHM for periods when we were young but my Dad didn't treat her like she was subservient, they made decisions collaboratively and my Dad didn't foist all housework and childcare on her.

OK- but be honest: there probably was some level of power-imbalance, correct?

I don’t see how the whole SAHM/ tradwife thing plays out without a power imbalance.

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Anonymous wrote:Toxic masculinity to me is the chasm between men being who society expects them to be and who their parents have raised them to be and what society and parents have told women that men should be, and then who women actually want men to be.

I think everyone is confused and struggling to figure out life these days.

Nope

Anonymous wrote:Toxic masculinity to me is the chasm between men being who society expects them to be and who their parents have raised them to be and what society and parents have told women that men should be, and then who women actually want men to be.

I think everyone is confused and struggling to figure out life these days.