Anonymous wrote:Bipartisan ticket… Harris and Lynn Cheney?

If Democrats do stick with Biden or dissolve into civil war as they decide on someone new - which they will - an independent bid by Lynn Cheney could be very interesting. Very plausible path to the presidency for her in this chaotic situation. And it could finally break our deeply corrupt two party system.

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Kamala’s most memorable debate line was calling Joe a racist.

Which he is. Biden has never been good President material. He was picked as least worse against Trump and a pandemic. The Obamas didn't want him at first. Biden is very much the old guard politcian, with ancient ideas on women and minorities. He and his team accomplished some great things, certainly. It's not all bad.

We are not comparing him to Trump. Trump is the worse President we ever had and his policies, such as they were, were based on fear, anger and hate. ANYONE compared to Trump is better. It doesn't mean Biden was good.

Kamala Harris has a chance to be an objectively good President. Of course she's going to wipe the floor with Trump. Anyone who can talk, stand and walk can wipe the floor with Trump during a debate. Too bad Biden was that far gone.

What matters now is to rally behind Harris and get a good turnout at the polls.

Kamala’s most memorable debate line was calling Joe a racist.

Anonymous wrote:Bipartisan ticket… Harris and Lynn Cheney?

No. Not a two female ticket. The Gov. of PA . It's swing state and he is popular.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris was actually pretty good in her remarks to the press after the debate. She also had a number of good debate moments in the 2020 run. She clearly would be a far more formidable debate opponent for Trump than Biden.

She need some good messages though; this election is not all about abortion. The border is a huge issue, and her role as border czar will dog her. Ds no longer have a strong message on saving democracy given all that has transpired in the last week.

This board is hilarious. I haven’t been here in a while and forgot all about the nonsense trolls.

Then I guess you missed all the posters here who are angry and disappointed that the Democrats and media covered up Biden's condition, that the DNC manipulated the primary process to ensure only Biden would get the nomination, and that they have no idea who is making decisions in the White House. If DCUM is enraged about this you can bet people in swing states are too.

All of this means that Democrats presenting themselves as saviors of democracy will not play as well as it otherwise might have.

People can see the GOP’s fascism and those who are more thoughtful are wondering why in the heck the media hasn’t touched on:

the Supreme Court upending all precedent
Trump and Putin hanging out together for days
Trump lying like a crazy person
Trump being outed officially as a pedophile
Project 2025
Trump vowing revenge, including military tribunals
Etc.

This. And we also know that trolling is often posters pretending to be something they are not: “lifetime dems” voting for Trump is a classic.

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Anonymous wrote:This could really shake things up for the better.

The Democratic Party would be incredibly energized by a different candidate.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/03/us/politics/biden-election-debate.html?unlocked_article_code=1.4U0.u6om.bI5zjUacVqqL&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

I was a dyed in the wool Biden supporter until the debate. That was not a one-off debacle. His voice trembled and was hardly above whisper and he had a "deer in the headlights" response many times. He needs to finish out this term, endorse Harris and give his delegates to her. I pray that Pelosi, Jeffries, Schumer, Obama make it clear to the Bidens that it his duty to bow out

Harris, as the former AG Of California will do extremely well on taking on Trump. I would hope that she chooses a moderate (Democrat or Republican) as her running mate. She was an effective campaigner in CA and she has the energy to campaign in every state and win votes.

A little reminder that in her run for president, she had to drop out because her campaign was a mess, she ran out of money, and received no votes.
And, her stint as VP has not helped her any.

That was four years ago and it's a different ball game now.

Bipartisan ticket… Harris and Lynn Cheney?

Anonymous wrote:If Biden is polling well behind Trump, then who should replace Biden? I don't see a lot of good ideas on this thread.
Harris has a lot of weak points, but she'd wipe the floor with Trump in the second debate (is there one scheduled?)
Pete B?
Gavin N?
Who has a national profile?
Jamie Raskin?
I don't see any clear choices here.
The objective is to beat Trump.
Who will bring out the young Democrats who are so angry at Biden for Gaza?
Beating Trump is the goal. Nothing else matters.

You think this hasn’t been exploited by the media, the media that is so desperate to get Trump in?

Literally no Democratic candidate will get a fair shake. They do not look back, they do no process how they’ve reported, they do not learn. BUTTEREMAILS is a joke because it shows the media’s lopsided reporting. There was no there there with Hillary’s emails (or Benghazi) but they still reported them so breathlessly that people took it to mean that Clinton was a crook. Meanwhile Trump did all they accused Clinton of, and more, including reckless storing of top secret documents and waving them about to show them off and it was all discussed very clinically. At no point would a non political person get the idea that Trump was the menace that he is.

So it could be Biden, Harris, Newsome, Whitmer, Walz, Beshear… they will be spit roasted like the dog that RFK Jr ate. All is in service to the GOP.

Anonymous wrote:If Biden is polling well behind Trump, then who should replace Biden? I don't see a lot of good ideas on this thread.
Harris has a lot of weak points, but she'd wipe the floor with Trump in the second debate (is there one scheduled?)
Pete B?
Gavin N?
Who has a national profile?
Jamie Raskin?
I don't see any clear choices here.
The objective is to beat Trump.
Who will bring out the young Democrats who are so angry at Biden for Gaza?
Beating Trump is the goal. Nothing else matters.

I wouldn't assume Harris would wipe the floor with Trump. Her debate history is medicore at best. Her interviews have historically been more terrible than not.

Most Americans don't care about Gaza. Real life isn't a college campus. Biden and the Democrats have more to lose pandering to terrorist supporters and besides, Israel made clear it's not stopping till they're finished. Don't tie yourself to a lost cause.

I don't see a victory for the Democrats this fall. No matter who is on the ballot. The damage is done and it is too late. The party lost when they hid Joe Biden's serious decline and lied and gaslighted people about it.

https://x.com/PenguinSix/status/1806740535685664847

Trump's plane parked next to Russian ambassador's plane at Dulles on June 28. Coincidence? Huh.

If Biden is polling well behind Trump, then who should replace Biden? I don't see a lot of good ideas on this thread.
Harris has a lot of weak points, but she'd wipe the floor with Trump in the second debate (is there one scheduled?)
Pete B?
Gavin N?
Who has a national profile?
Jamie Raskin?
I don't see any clear choices here.
The objective is to beat Trump.
Who will bring out the young Democrats who are so angry at Biden for Gaza?
Beating Trump is the goal. Nothing else matters.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This could really shake things up for the better.

The Democratic Party would be incredibly energized by a different candidate.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/03/us/politics/biden-election-debate.html?unlocked_article_code=1.4U0.u6om.bI5zjUacVqqL&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

I was a dyed in the wool Biden supporter until the debate. That was not a one-off debacle. His voice trembled and was hardly above whisper and he had a "deer in the headlights" response many times. He needs to finish out this term, endorse Harris and give his delegates to her. I pray that Pelosi, Jeffries, Schumer, Obama make it clear to the Bidens that it his duty to bow out

Harris, as the former AG Of California will do extremely well on taking on Trump. I would hope that she chooses a moderate (Democrat or Republican) as her running mate. She was an effective campaigner in CA and she has the energy to campaign in every state and win votes.

A little reminder that in her run for president, she had to drop out because her campaign was a mess, she ran out of money, and received no votes.
And, her stint as VP has not helped her any.

It’s helped her a lot actually. And she will have everyone behind her. Let’s go.

More everyone would be behind a candidate that people liked instead of tolerated. Just saying.

And who are you suggesting?

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Anonymous wrote:Harris was actually pretty good in her remarks to the press after the debate. She also had a number of good debate moments in the 2020 run. She clearly would be a far more formidable debate opponent for Trump than Biden.

She need some good messages though; this election is not all about abortion. The border is a huge issue, and her role as border czar will dog her. Ds no longer have a strong message on saving democracy given all that has transpired in the last week.

She has Trump deep-sixing the bipartisan immigration legislation because he wanted it as a campaign issue!

+1. Get the campaign commercials spamming on this point now already.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris was actually pretty good in her remarks to the press after the debate. She also had a number of good debate moments in the 2020 run. She clearly would be a far more formidable debate opponent for Trump than Biden.

She need some good messages though; this election is not all about abortion. The border is a huge issue, and her role as border czar will dog her. Ds no longer have a strong message on saving democracy given all that has transpired in the last week.

This board is hilarious. I haven’t been here in a while and forgot all about the nonsense trolls.

Then I guess you missed all the posters here who are angry and disappointed that the Democrats and media covered up Biden's condition, that the DNC manipulated the primary process to ensure only Biden would get the nomination, and that they have no idea who is making decisions in the White House. If DCUM is enraged about this you can bet people in swing states are too.

All of this means that Democrats presenting themselves as saviors of democracy will not play as well as it otherwise might have.

People can see the GOP’s fascism and those who are more thoughtful are wondering why in the heck the media hasn’t touched on:

the Supreme Court upending all precedent
Trump and Putin hanging out together for days
Trump lying like a crazy person
Trump being outed officially as a pedophile
Project 2025
Trump vowing revenge, including military tribunals
Etc.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harris was actually pretty good in her remarks to the press after the debate. She also had a number of good debate moments in the 2020 run. She clearly would be a far more formidable debate opponent for Trump than Biden.

She need some good messages though; this election is not all about abortion. The border is a huge issue, and her role as border czar will dog her. Ds no longer have a strong message on saving democracy given all that has transpired in the last week.

This board is hilarious. I haven’t been here in a while and forgot all about the nonsense trolls.

Then I guess you missed all the posters here who are angry and disappointed that the Democrats and media covered up Biden's condition, that the DNC manipulated the primary process to ensure only Biden would get the nomination, and that they have no idea who is making decisions in the White House. If DCUM is enraged about this you can bet people in swing states are too.

All of this means that Democrats presenting themselves as saviors of democracy will not play as well as it otherwise might have.