Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please sign the petition and make your voice heard:
https://www.change.org/p/montgomery-county-council-montgomery-county-council-broad-community-input-needed-on-residential-zoning-changes

As if such a petition ever caused a change. You have to lobby hard and get people to show up at meetings and protests.

Clicking a link on a web page won't any attention.

It also wouldn't hurt.

The petition could use a little cleanup, though. Among other things, it refers to Thrive, which is the guiding county plan that already passed (with much of the leadup to that under pandemic limitations), when the thing it needs to oppose at the moment is upcoming County Council legislation that would implement recommendations from Montgomery Planning's Attainable Housing Report, covering detail for a portion of Thrive dealing with its Attainable Housing Strategy.

It does hurt if people think that's all they need to do. ("OK, honey, I've done my part to save MoCo. Let's head over to the club now.")

It takes a lot more community engagement to get any attention from the Council.

Agreed.

Anonymous wrote:We don’t need “community input”. That’s a term used to infinitely delay getting things done. You all are the same kind of people that in the workplace like to “shop around ideas” and “socialize” ideas to people before officially pitching them. It’s super inefficient. We already know the good policy outcomes from upzoning. You just need to let it rip and let people do what they please with their land.

No, people “shop around ideas” and “socialize ideas” before they are implemented, not pitched. If they aren’t pitched, then you can’t gather input. Gathering the input of the stakeholders is how projects work in the adult world.

I think that most people think that it’s best to have a solid plan before you”let it rip.”

This is why we can’t take you seriously.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please sign the petition and make your voice heard:
https://www.change.org/p/montgomery-county-council-montgomery-county-council-broad-community-input-needed-on-residential-zoning-changes

As if such a petition ever caused a change. You have to lobby hard and get people to show up at meetings and protests.

Clicking a link on a web page won't any attention.

It also wouldn't hurt.

The petition could use a little cleanup, though. Among other things, it refers to Thrive, which is the guiding county plan that already passed (with much of the leadup to that under pandemic limitations), when the thing it needs to oppose at the moment is upcoming County Council legislation that would implement recommendations from Montgomery Planning's Attainable Housing Report, covering detail for a portion of Thrive dealing with its Attainable Housing Strategy.

It does hurt if people think that's all they need to do. ("OK, honey, I've done my part to save MoCo. Let's head over to the club now.")

It takes a lot more community engagement to get any attention from the Council.

Anonymous wrote:What is the argument for wanting to expand the county population? Who does this help?

Those wanting to live in the county more than those currently residing there. Those wanting to live closer to DC than those currently residing there. Those wanting to move into a space larger than an apartment more than those currently living in a detached single family home. Those wanting to downsize but stay in their current neighborhood while developing additional income streams from rental properties more than those raising families that need relief from already overcrowded schools.

Developers, REITs and real estate agents more than anyone.

What is the argument for wanting to expand the county population? Who does this help?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please sign the petition and make your voice heard:
https://www.change.org/p/montgomery-county-council-montgomery-county-council-broad-community-input-needed-on-residential-zoning-changes

As if such a petition ever caused a change. You have to lobby hard and get people to show up at meetings and protests.

Clicking a link on a web page won't any attention.

It also wouldn't hurt.

The petition could use a little cleanup, though. Among other things, it refers to Thrive, which is the guiding county plan that already passed (with much of the leadup to that under pandemic limitations), when the thing it needs to oppose at the moment is upcoming County Council legislation that would implement recommendations from Montgomery Planning's Attainable Housing Report, covering detail for a portion of Thrive dealing with its Attainable Housing Strategy.

Anonymous wrote:We don’t need “community input”. That’s a term used to infinitely delay getting things done. You all are the same kind of people that in the workplace like to “shop around ideas” and “socialize” ideas to people before officially pitching them. It’s super inefficient. We already know the good policy outcomes from upzoning. You just need to let it rip and let people do what they please with their land.

So these people who own that land and should do whatever they want with it -- they bought or inherited it completely unencumbered by zoning, right? I mean, they have every right to expect that the price they paid or valie they inherited was not at all tied to the expected uses, right?

And the neighbors -- they all paid for their property without the consideration of nearby zoning, yes? Certainly they did not pay a premium for the expectation of a certain density limitation, right?

And we shouldn't have government responsible to those represented, should we? Just install some autocrats, and they'll definitely do what is best, yes? And certainly there are no downsides associated with those "good policy outcomes."

And government should operate like a business, right? Because the people represented work for the government the way that employees work for company shareholders, of course.



What a load of crock.

Anonymous wrote:Please sign the petition and make your voice heard:
https://www.change.org/p/montgomery-county-council-montgomery-county-council-broad-community-input-needed-on-residential-zoning-changes

As if such a petition ever caused a change. You have to lobby hard and get people to show up at meetings and protests.

Clicking a link on a web page won't any attention.

We saved, were financially responsible and purchased our single family home in Bethesda. We valued our quite neighborhood, our local school, walkability and the fact this was not a cookie cutter home. It’s not a large home, and we see it as part of an investment to us as a family, for our children.
We did this when we could afford it, and accommodated to the area and the realities of what it took to live here. If we could not afford it, we would not have picked this home and would have settled down elsewhere.
Areas have value for the characteristics they have. To me, this is the Council saying they have carte blanche to destroy the value in established neighborhoods.
We are near the DC border and there are a good number of apartment buildings and condos that would be appropriate selections for residents who would like a more attainable housing option. If those are out of budget, then that is called living within your means. You then go and find a place that you can afford, you are responsible to your budget and to society. For the life of me, I don’t understand why touching our area and ruining it with this nonsense has a benefit at all.

We don’t need “community input”. That’s a term used to infinitely delay getting things done. You all are the same kind of people that in the workplace like to “shop around ideas” and “socialize” ideas to people before officially pitching them. It’s super inefficient. We already know the good policy outcomes from upzoning. You just need to let it rip and let people do what they please with their land.

Anonymous wrote:Please sign the petition and make your voice heard:
https://www.change.org/p/montgomery-county-council-montgomery-county-council-broad-community-input-needed-on-residential-zoning-changes

Nope I hope they build one on every block. It’s nice to see those who wish this on others finally seeing the personal impact your type of voting wants, loving every minute of this.

Anonymous wrote:News flash: you won’t be forced to turn your house into a condo if you don’t want to. You can keep your house.

Now, if you don’t want your neighbor to build condos, buy them out and keep their house as is! Your property rights end at the end of your lot

Oh just like I could keep my doctor and my health policy if I liked it? You mean like that? Got it.

Please sign the petition and make your voice heard:
https://www.change.org/p/montgomery-county-council-montgomery-county-council-broad-community-input-needed-on-residential-zoning-changes

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^you would have cheered for Jim Crow laws back in 1920s. You’re on the wrong side of history.

The YIMBYs would have gone, “well, aw shucks, we voted for them, it’s the will of the people! We have to just accept their terrible policies.”

At least that’s what they say whenever someone brings up policies implemented by the council. We voted for them and now we have to accept the consequences, no matter how bad the policy!

So, which is it, we can fight bad policies and force votes, or we can’t?

I'm not the PP quoted. But saying that a move for covenants on particular plots is bad is NOT the same as saying you shouldn't absolutely advocate for any policy changes you think we would be beneficial to the county as a whole, or that you shouldn't vote against those politicians who make decisions you disagree with.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^you would have cheered for Jim Crow laws back in 1920s. You’re on the wrong side of history.

The YIMBYs would have gone, “well, aw shucks, we voted for them, it’s the will of the people! We have to just accept their terrible policies.”

At least that’s what they say whenever someone brings up policies implemented by the council. We voted for them and now we have to accept the consequences, no matter how bad the policy!

So, which is it, we can fight bad policies and force votes, or we can’t?

Bulldozing the suburbs is the YIMBY compromise. The true fix would be to Manhattanize Potomac, at the very least