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Anonymous wrote:Top 10 or Ivy schools

The top10 is the most elite, plus the “bottom” ivies that are almost never in the top 10.

The only Ivies not in top 10 are Cornell and Dartmouth. HYP are always in top 5. Penn is 6. Brown is 9. Columbia is usually there but 12 this year.

Brown is also never in the top 10. This year was a fluke for them. It’s HYPSM, plus Caltech, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Columbia, and Penn in some order.

And Hopkins has regularly been T10. Agree Brown is not but is close, cornell and Dartmouth have always been bottom of the ivies and not T10. Columbia cheated severely for years and especially with the very-different admit criteria for GS, which for years was not included in cds(the whole Cds was never available), so their position in the T10 is very suspicious and they deserve to stay bumped down, more in the 11-13 position with Brown’s normal spot.

AS a Hopkins alum--Hopkins was NEVER in the top 10 until I was in my 40s. I am in my 50s now. People fail to see how much DEI and other initiatives bumped the ratings and a whole bunch of other intiatives.

I believe Brown with a 5% acceptance rate and it's focus on undergrads (one of the best at undergrad teaching and one of the happiest) belongs in the T10 for UNDERGRAD. If we are talking graduate schools, I get it. Another thing to consider is Hopkins is remaining TO--Brown, Dartmouth, Stanford, Yale, Harvard are all bringing tests back. I don't believe any school which is TO belongs in the T10 going forward. The playing field isn't equal when you are comparing scores from 25% who submitted scores (only the highest scores) and schools which are throwing up test averages of 100% students reporting. On that note, Georgetown should also bump on as it has always required scores.

Hopkins 1983-2007 (never cracked the top 10 with a low of 22):

hns Hopkins University 16 11 14 15 11 15 15 22 10 15 14 14 7 15 16 15 14 14 13 16

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Anonymous wrote:Top 10 or Ivy schools

The top10 is the most elite, plus the “bottom” ivies that are almost never in the top 10.

The only Ivies not in top 10 are Cornell and Dartmouth. HYP are always in top 5. Penn is 6. Brown is 9. Columbia is usually there but 12 this year.

Brown is also never in the top 10. This year was a fluke for them. It’s HYPSM, plus Caltech, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Columbia, and Penn in some order.

And Hopkins has regularly been T10. Agree Brown is not but is close, cornell and Dartmouth have always been bottom of the ivies and not T10. Columbia cheated severely for years and especially with the very-different admit criteria for GS, which for years was not included in cds(the whole Cds was never available), so their position in the T10 is very suspicious and they deserve to stay bumped down, more in the 11-13 position with Brown’s normal spot.

AS a Hopkins alum--Hopkins was NEVER in the top 10 until I was in my 40s. I am in my 50s now. People fail to see how much DEI and other initiatives bumped the ratings and a whole bunch of other intiatives.

I believe Brown with a 5% acceptance rate and it's focus on undergrads (one of the best at undergrad teaching and one of the happiest) belongs in the T10 for UNDERGRAD. If we are talking graduate schools, I get it. Another thing to consider is Hopkins is remaining TO--Brown, Dartmouth, Stanford, Yale, Harvard are all bringing tests back. I don't believe any school which is TO belongs in the T10 going forward. The playing field isn't equal when you are comparing scores from 25% who submitted scores (only the highest scores) and schools which are throwing up test averages of 100% students reporting. On that note, Georgetown should also bump on as it has always required scores.

Hopkins 1983-2007 (never cracked the top 10 with a low of 22):

hns Hopkins University 16 11 14 15 11 15 15 22 10 15 14 14 7 15 16 15 14 14 13 16

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Anonymous wrote:Top 10 or Ivy schools

The top10 is the most elite, plus the “bottom” ivies that are almost never in the top 10.

The only Ivies not in top 10 are Cornell and Dartmouth. HYP are always in top 5. Penn is 6. Brown is 9. Columbia is usually there but 12 this year.

Brown is also never in the top 10. This year was a fluke for them. It’s HYPSM, plus Caltech, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Columbia, and Penn in some order.

And Hopkins has regularly been T10. Agree Brown is not but is close, cornell and Dartmouth have always been bottom of the ivies and not T10. Columbia cheated severely for years and especially with the very-different admit criteria for GS, which for years was not included in cds(the whole Cds was never available), so their position in the T10 is very suspicious and they deserve to stay bumped down, more in the 11-13 position with Brown’s normal spot.

AS a Hopkins alum--Hopkins was NEVER in the top 10 until I was in my 40s. I am in my 50s now. People fail to see how much DEI and other initiatives bumped the ratings and a whole bunch of other intiatives.

I believe Brown with a 5% acceptance rate and it's focus on undergrads (one of the best at undergrad teaching and one of the happiest) belongs in the T10 for UNDERGRAD. If we are talking graduate schools, I get it. Another thing to consider is Hopkins is remaining TO--Brown, Dartmouth, Stanford, Yale, Harvard are all bringing tests back. I don't believe any school which is TO belongs in the T10 going forward. The playing field isn't equal when you are comparing scores from 25% who submitted scores (only the highest scores) and schools which are throwing up test averages of 100% students reporting. On that note, Georgetown should also bump on as it has always required scores.

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Anonymous wrote:As usual, there's a lot of UVA bashing going on. What is UVA missing that stops it from being considered "elite"?

Massive endowment. Excellent placements across all disciplines, CS included. McIntire sends scores of students to top IB, PE, and consulting firms. UVA is a huge feeder to top grad schools, and its own law school is ranked 4th and its business school ranked 10th.

The acceptance rate is low without gaming the system, even with ED and accepting more in-state students, which many other top public universities don't. UVA's acceptance rate is equal to Michigan's, yet Michigan has far more out-of-state students. If UVA dropped ED and took 50% OOS, things would look much different. UVA has some of the highest average test scores, higher than other public universities considered better.

If you consider UVA elite, you have to consider quite a few other schools elite. That waters down "elite".

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Anonymous wrote:^ exclusiveness. The ivies and top 10s are small (for the most part). 5,000-7,000 undergrads with 3-6% acceptance rates. Many focus on undergrads. UVA felt large and less personal in comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:Top 10 or Ivy schools

The top10 is the most elite, plus the “bottom” ivies that are almost never in the top 10.

The only Ivies not in top 10 are Cornell and Dartmouth. HYP are always in top 5. Penn is 6. Brown is 9. Columbia is usually there but 12 this year.

Brown is also never in the top 10. This year was a fluke for them. It’s HYPSM, plus Caltech, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Columbia, and Penn in some order.

And Hopkins has regularly been T10. Agree Brown is not but is close, cornell and Dartmouth have always been bottom of the ivies and not T10. Columbia cheated severely for years and especially with the very-different admit criteria for GS, which for years was not included in cds(the whole Cds was never available), so their position in the T10 is very suspicious and they deserve to stay bumped down, more in the 11-13 position with Brown’s normal spot.

Anonymous wrote:As usual, there's a lot of UVA bashing going on. What is UVA missing that stops it from being considered "elite"?

Massive endowment. Excellent placements across all disciplines, CS included. McIntire sends scores of students to top IB, PE, and consulting firms. UVA is a huge feeder to top grad schools, and its own law school is ranked 4th and its business school ranked 10th.

The acceptance rate is low without gaming the system, even with ED and accepting more in-state students, which many other top public universities don't. UVA's acceptance rate is equal to Michigan's, yet Michigan has far more out-of-state students. If UVA dropped ED and took 50% OOS, things would look much different. UVA has some of the highest average test scores, higher than other public universities considered better.

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Anonymous wrote:^ exclusiveness. The ivies and top 10s are small (for the most part). 5,000-7,000 undergrads with 3-6% acceptance rates. Many focus on undergrads. UVA felt large and less personal in comparison.

Who cares?

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Anonymous wrote:^ exclusiveness. The ivies and top 10s are small (for the most part). 5,000-7,000 undergrads with 3-6% acceptance rates. Many focus on undergrads. UVA felt large and less personal in comparison.

Who cares?

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Anonymous wrote:Top 10 or Ivy schools

The top10 is the most elite, plus the “bottom” ivies that are almost never in the top 10.

The only Ivies not in top 10 are Cornell and Dartmouth. HYP are always in top 5. Penn is 6. Brown is 9. Columbia is usually there but 12 this year.

Brown is also never in the top 10. This year was a fluke for them. It’s HYPSM, plus Caltech, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Columbia, and Penn in some order.

Goddamn this parade of baseless, criteria-less, factless, foundation-less, meaningless random pulled out of the ass rankings never, ever, ever stops here.

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Anonymous wrote:Dishonest? Public flagships like U Mich and UNC have a mandate to cater to in-state residents. The transfer admission rate for each is skewed by the acceptance of in-state students who excel in community college in years 1-2. Which is exactly how it should be.

Anonymous wrote:Nothing wrong with ED. What is wrong in my opinion is schools with very high transfer rates but low freshman acceptance rates. Like Umich, UNC. NYU, etc. NYU has a 37% transfer acceptance rate, but 8% freshman rate. That's dishonest.

It's dishonest, they could have easily accepted them as freshman, they clearly have the space. Im so tired of people constantly making excuses for publics, that never allow the same grace to private schools. They're just not elite schools and they're pretending to be. You can't be egalitarian and elitist, they need to choose one and stand on that hill. But 15% freshman acceptance rates from Umich and UNC but 40....yes FOURTY % acceptance rates as transfers is embarrassing. They could balance it out more but they won't because they know most aren't paying attention.

I guess we can all agree that Columbia isn’t elite because 1/3 of its undergraduates attend the SGS. They are admitted at a 30% clip, yes THIRTY!

Columbia's SGS doesnt count as elite. It is a different program with different metrics for acceptance than the traditional colleges.

Anonymous wrote:^ exclusiveness. The ivies and top 10s are small (for the most part). 5,000-7,000 undergrads with 3-6% acceptance rates. Many focus on undergrads. UVA felt large and less personal in comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:Top 10 or Ivy schools

The top10 is the most elite, plus the “bottom” ivies that are almost never in the top 10.

The only Ivies not in top 10 are Cornell and Dartmouth. HYP are always in top 5. Penn is 6. Brown is 9. Columbia is usually there but 12 this year.

Brown is also never in the top 10. This year was a fluke for them. It’s HYPSM, plus Caltech, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Columbia, and Penn in some order.